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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:06 Eishi_Ki wrote: Waited for...? To be bottled up his own ramp? Puma was already staggering his tanks the unsiege, or alternatively to get enough Phoenix to both lift the tanks and to kill the Banshees. Puma wasn't even close to the chokepoints yet | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:07 Scisyhp wrote: If Puma thought the 1-1-1 would win him the game, then don't blame him for using it. Only an idiot would avoid doing something because it was (allegedly) OP. I definitely will not blame someone for trying to win, I'd much rather a player try to win than try to lose. IMMVP doesn't condone the usage of 1-1-1 all-in because he sees it as OP too. Is he an idiot? | ||
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Fatalize
France5210 Posts
Huh i just reread it and i got it. it's 4AM right there, not in the best shape tbh :p | ||
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jyLee
United States350 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:03 Condor Hero wrote: im so tired of seeing this shit. tell me, HOW does his advantage increase over time? bottom line: 1) mass marines only dealt with aoe 2) marine ball constantly growing 3) kiwi had no chance of getting aoe since both templar and colossus require time and resources he didnt have would you rather he waited until puma slow pushed to the chokes of his natural? Let me lay it out for you since you clearly dont know how the game works. The longer he stalls the bigger the economic advantage he has because puma pulled half his scvs. Hopefully you can understand the math behind it now or you have no hope. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:06 Otori wrote: quoted for truth protoss diamond players in the thread needs to stop crying because it's getting really old. it is not unbalanced one bit. Kiwi did not counter that build and he wasnt even expecting it since he put up a nexus that he later cancelled. nice joke | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Agreed. Columbus was paaaacked and we were crazy ^^ Maybe it's because of the hurricane? Is the weather affecting anything over there in Raleigh? Probably. I saw some pictures from friends who live in North Carolina of wind damage. It's kinda serious. I probably wouldn't have gone if there was a hurricane risk. | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:07 netherDrake wrote: Bomber must be happy that he's facing Select instead of DRG. He's at least guaranteed top 3 now. what? drg is 1st in group/... | ||
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Dumboprime
985 Posts
yeah definitely not just "once" | ||
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Kamikazess
Brazil400 Posts
Because XNC is the best map for the 1-1-1, and the map was picked by Kiwi. Of course he saw it coming. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:07 Femari wrote: MVP would more than likely pull it off better than Puma. I dislike the 1/1/1. It's broken. I don't abuse it when I play. I play straight up. I could use it and do extremely well but what's the point? It's like cheating to get infinite items in a game. It's boring. It's stupid. And it's broken. Lol you complain too much, Kiwi needed to stall for time and he didnt do that. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:08 DystopiaX wrote: wrong. Ties will be broken using the following Tiebreakers in this order: Head to Head (Match Winning Percentage using only Matches between the tied Players), Games Won Percentage (All Pool Play Matches), and Seed. you got all dwight schrute on him. ;-) | ||
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n0ise
3452 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:07 cArn- wrote: big mistake to cancel the nexus tbh, if you don't have a nexus there is no reason for terran to force the issue and try to attack you, with nexus pressure is on terran and has to make something happen quick before the nexus kicks in, and having ure army in the middle to fake engagements + phoenixes threatning to snipe banshees delays the push a lot .. Either don't cancel the nexus, or drop a robo bay after a few pheonix, or get blink, whatever. But yeah, in that situation, it was silly to just mass units and try to attack into siege tanks pity | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:07 NExt wrote: Warp Prism was what kiwikaki was missing. if he manage to get those immortals to snipe the siege tanks, would've been sick. oh wells, ppl will tell me im wrong cause marines will snipe the warp prism but... Warp Prism was what was missing. gl gl. to the top 5 koreans, top baller korean/american.. SELECT FIGHTING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You really think a terran is going to let you float a warp prism anywhere near his siege tanks? Seriously? | ||
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NaldoR
Singapore2198 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:07 KryptoStorm wrote: Because protoss can't afford Stalkers + Immortals + Phoenix + Sentries which is needed to combat the 1/1/1 build. For terran it's affordable, minerals for the cheap and easy marines, gas for the tanks/banshees. and zealots have better DPS? more HP so they can tank more dmg from tanks. Also, stalkers take bonus dmg from tanks. | ||
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CEPEHDREI
Germany1521 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:08 Inflicted_ wrote: IMMVP doesn't condone the usage of 1-1-1 all-in because he sees it as OP too. Is he an idiot? he did it against MC in Code S. | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
Kiwi chose a build that's.... strange, but could have worked. He was going for zealot/immortal/phoenix, but then got nervous at the increasing marine count and chose to engage awfully. He needed to adopt a sort of Zerg player mentality when he engaged... - Immortals target tanks - Zealots a-move - Phoenixes flank around back and PICK UP TANKS Seriously, people are qqing about marines but tanks do SO much damage, once the tanks die you can warp in stalkers to kite everything else. Kiwi knows he should've won that. | ||
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AzurewinD
United States569 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:05 TT1 wrote: yea he should have stalled for as long as possible, the more he delays the attack the stronger his compo becomes because of immortal/phoenix get really strong vs pumas composition the higher they get in number, that and he had a better eco so stalling would have allowed him to pump more units.. basic math t.t i think he just got anxious and just engaged without thinking, should have just forced puma to slowpush his way towards his base so could have bought himself as much time as possible On August 28 2011 11:05 mordk wrote: The thing with not engaging is that 1-1-1 eventually evolves into a hard contain which forces a 1-base colossus build that just loses to anything. You need to defeat the push, you can't stall too much because terran will gain an insurmountable economic lead. Also, immortals and phoenixes lose effectiveness as the marine numbers rise and combat shield/stimpack complete, another reason you can't just wait. Alright guys, so which one is it? These two differing views I think reach the crux of the 1/1/1 debate. EDIT: Also, can we PLEASE stop calling each other stupid over this shit? It's a hard problem, discussion yields knowledge. Ad-hominems don't. | ||
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WindCalibur
Canada938 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:07 blooblooblahblah wrote: 1Gate FE is the most common protoss build right now...it's used almost every game vs terran. But it's absolutely not a free win against 1/1/1, it's decent against it but it's still incredibly hard to beat it. I know it isnt a free win. I also tested the 1/1/1 with all variations (including ones with/without siege and ones with ravens) and I can tell you right now that 1 gate expand definitely has the upper hand. | ||
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netherDrake
Singapore1831 Posts
Liquipedia made a mistake then, they just corrected it too | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:07 cArn- wrote: big mistake to cancel the nexus tbh, if you don't have a nexus there is no reason for terran to force the issue and try to attack you, with nexus pressure is on terran and has to make something happen quick before the nexus kicks in, and having ure army in the middle to fake engagements + phoenixes threatning to snipe banshees delays the push a lot .. He also didn't have to engage there when all tanks were already sieged .. at least engage when some tanks are not sieged when he tries to move forward It really felt like he had the time to get that expo up. Maybe not crushing that push but delaying it in the middle could be the answer? | ||
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