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The following is a list of behaviors that will get immediate bans:

1. Whining about stream
2. Bashing other games
3. Flaming other users
4. Bashing players
5. Complaining about imbalance

Basically just be respectful. Aside from that, enjoy the games, make sure you bring an umbrella and have some delicious waffles! (#)
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
August 28 2011 02:10 GMT
#9321
On August 28 2011 11:08 Jakkerr wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:06 Otori wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:04 Netsky wrote:
Imagine a world where...

...Protoss players stopped crying...

...and learned to play Starcraft 2.


quoted for truth

protoss diamond players in the thread needs to stop crying because it's getting really old. it is not unbalanced one bit. Kiwi did not counter that build and he wasnt even expecting it since he put up a nexus that he later cancelled.


nice joke

nah he's right
i held it off on the korean ladder against a diamond opponent
obviously you are all noobs
lalala
kheldorin
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore539 Posts
August 28 2011 02:10 GMT
#9322
LoL....why are people surprised that 1/1/1 won the Terran another game. Puma probably realized that Kiwikaki was actually good, stopped screwing around with his food and didn't want to risk anything. since 1/1/1 is a guaranteed win.

The only reason why he didn't want to 1/1/1 in the first place is because he's gonna get a lot of hate for it because at least the Korean fans know it is imbalance. Only the foreign fans are clueless and think the fault always lies with Protoss even though there is a mountain of evidence proving otherwise.

User was warned for this post
hYdrA-MeNo
Profile Joined January 2010
Mexico344 Posts
August 28 2011 02:10 GMT
#9323
On August 28 2011 11:06 ScaringKids wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:02 FallDownMarigold wrote:
lol@all these comments bitching about balance. sickening.

that result was due to Kiwi getting impatient and just a-moving into the siege group. Go figure. He had the middle of the map in stand-off mode, had better economy, etc...

Kiwi won't blame that loss on a build order or TERRAN IMBA!! QQ!! - He'll blame it on a poor engagement.

edit:

Especially lol'ing at all these "I no longer respect Puma as a human being" comments...rofl


Ye Kiwi should defenitly have waited for more tanks and marines so he would get stomped even harder...


Your a moron..... half of pumas scvs were with the army so for every one tank and 2 marines kiwi would of gotten more immortals more phoenix and zelots or stalkers...... because of his eco

At that moment it was pumas job to kill kiwi not the other way around kiwi would of gotten an advantage the longer puma took.
Cant Tell you Whats good....But i can tell you what's what
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
August 28 2011 02:10 GMT
#9324
On August 28 2011 11:08 jyLee wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:03 Condor Hero wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:01 benjammin wrote:
serious question: with the expo having so much surface area, why wouldn't kiwi keep delaying until puma has to push through the cavern? why engage earlier if your advantage increases over time?

im so tired of seeing this shit.
tell me, HOW does his advantage increase over time?
bottom line:
1) mass marines only dealt with aoe
2) marine ball constantly growing
3) kiwi had no chance of getting aoe since both templar and colossus require time and resources he didnt have

would you rather he waited until puma slow pushed to the chokes of his natural?

Let me lay it out for you since you clearly dont know how the game works. The longer he stalls the bigger the economic advantage he has because puma pulled half his scvs. Hopefully you can understand the math behind it now or you have no hope.

at that point the problem was going to be mass marines since kiwi had no chance of getting any AOE and he had enough scvs to constantly build marines, PLUS MULES.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 28 2011 02:10 GMT
#9325
On August 28 2011 11:09 CEPEHDREI wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:08 Inflicted_ wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:07 Scisyhp wrote:
If Puma thought the 1-1-1 would win him the game, then don't blame him for using it. Only an idiot would avoid doing something because it was (allegedly) OP. I definitely will not blame someone for trying to win, I'd much rather a player try to win than try to lose.


IMMVP doesn't condone the usage of 1-1-1 all-in because he sees it as OP too. Is he an idiot?


he did it against MC in Code S.

That was bomber. MVP had an expansion
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snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
August 28 2011 02:10 GMT
#9326
On August 28 2011 11:09 CEPEHDREI wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:08 Inflicted_ wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:07 Scisyhp wrote:
If Puma thought the 1-1-1 would win him the game, then don't blame him for using it. Only an idiot would avoid doing something because it was (allegedly) OP. I definitely will not blame someone for trying to win, I'd much rather a player try to win than try to lose.


IMMVP doesn't condone the usage of 1-1-1 all-in because he sees it as OP too. Is he an idiot?


he did it against MC in Code S.


NO, people need to stop thinking that any terran build with TANKS is 1-1-1........................
TolEranceNA
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada434 Posts
August 28 2011 02:10 GMT
#9327
I won't cry about 2 rax, it is a great build, you never get into a bad position when using it. You just have to deal with it, its part of the life of playing a RTS game. Grow up tosses.
Arotsis:"Nestea, what do you think about Zerg?" Nestea:"...Sad."
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
August 28 2011 02:10 GMT
#9328
On August 28 2011 11:09 Serpico wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:07 Femari wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:04 Otori wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him.

Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build


You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player


self respect refusing to use a specific build? that's just retarded, thats like saying its self respect to not 6pool someone

dont think MVP can pull off 1-1-1 builds as perfectly as puma does.

MVP would more than likely pull it off better than Puma.

I dislike the 1/1/1. It's broken. I don't abuse it when I play. I play straight up. I could use it and do extremely well but what's the point? It's like cheating to get infinite items in a game. It's boring. It's stupid. And it's broken.

Lol you complain too much, Kiwi needed to stall for time and he didnt do that.


Stalling is not the answer, because as you stall, terran gains an eco lead and makes more marines, which makes immortals and phoenixes ineffective
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
August 28 2011 02:10 GMT
#9329
On August 28 2011 11:07 coReY425 wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:05 Fatalize wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 butchji wrote:
By the way: unrelated to the 1/1/1 build. Does anyone really think Kiwikaki is the better RTS player than PuMa? O_o



Lol, PuMa was Flash's practice partner and some other pros as well in BW.

It's not because he uses 1-1-1 that he's suddenly a piece of crap. PuMa is much more skilled RTS-wise than everybody else in this tournament.


Uh, Nada is in this tourney... Nada man..... NADA!

NaDa for USA !!!
-Terran-
rpgalon
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil1069 Posts
August 28 2011 02:10 GMT
#9330
On August 28 2011 11:05 Razuik wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:03 HinagikUx wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 FairForever wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:01 BretZ wrote:
I'm gonna get flamed for raging, but why does Puma cheese his way through Protoss? He's won enough legit games, and why use a strategy that is debatably OP. Ah well, do what you have to win, but in the boring all-in way (( y u so gosu Puma I don't like more Korean Terran T.T


Because when a Code S spot is on the line, he should do anything to get it.

I hate the TvP 1-1-1 right now but you can't fault pros for using it until a counter gets found/a patch is done.



cept MVP, who said anyone who uses 1-1-1 is disgraceful and that he wont use that op build anymore .... what a baller

Yeah I'm pretty sure he never said those exact words. Were you complaining when MC was winning GSLs with 6gates almost every game PvZ?

if you scout 6 gate you can defend... kiwi knew everything and was not able to counter, like MC knew and was not able too
badog
skYfiVe
Profile Joined April 2010
United States382 Posts
August 28 2011 02:10 GMT
#9331
On August 28 2011 11:09 Kamikazess wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:06 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:06 Kamikazess wrote:
It was pretty clear that Kiwi tried to trick Puma into doing the 1-1-1, hoping to hold it.

Why is it so clear?


Because XNC is the best map for the 1-1-1, and the map was picked by Kiwi. Of course he saw it coming.


I don't think he would have expanded then... He was obviously thrown off a bit.
"1baseiwa"
Betsfrox
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Venezuela248 Posts
August 28 2011 02:10 GMT
#9332
who is ttn114 thats its in the championship bracket losser r1
Courstice
Profile Joined May 2011
United States473 Posts
August 28 2011 02:11 GMT
#9333
On August 28 2011 11:09 CEPEHDREI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:08 Inflicted_ wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:07 Scisyhp wrote:
If Puma thought the 1-1-1 would win him the game, then don't blame him for using it. Only an idiot would avoid doing something because it was (allegedly) OP. I definitely will not blame someone for trying to win, I'd much rather a player try to win than try to lose.


IMMVP doesn't condone the usage of 1-1-1 all-in because he sees it as OP too. Is he an idiot?


he did it against MC in Code S.


That was a 2 base siege contain. Do not pit Mvp with the 1/1/1
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
August 28 2011 02:11 GMT
#9334
Honestly, Puma has done well enough not to use bullshit strats. I know, he is a pro, he can choose whatever tactics and strategy he desires. But he can hardly complain if fans choose not to support him or think he is cheap.

I wanted to see real games Puma-MC. It never happened. And I was hoping he'd consider foreign protosses not as dangerous as MC and would play a different game, yet he sticks to what most likely will end up patching. Cannot support him.

I don't see a protoss winning this tourney. So I hope a zerg, Donraego wins.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
August 28 2011 02:11 GMT
#9335
On August 28 2011 11:10 hysterial wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:04 VTPerfect wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:00 WindCalibur wrote:
I really do not understand why protoss do not go 1 gate expand. It is so easy for 1 gate expand to hold a 1/1/1 yet i never see a protoss do it. I really do not understand.


because after the 20 second warpgate nerf 2 rax is guarunteed to force a cancel on the nexus or kill it and then its basically free win for terran, search for why Koreans think the 1/1/1 is imbalanced thread.


I'm pretty sure 1 gate FE into 3 gates can hold any 2 rax.

Do you even play Protoss? If 1gate FE could hold off a 2rax then I would do it every game
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
August 28 2011 02:11 GMT
#9336
How are the ties in pools A and C gonna work? Pool C has HerO, Slush, and Trickster with 2-3, and HerO has the least amount of wins but has beaten Slush and lost to Trickster.
/commercial
powerdawg96
Profile Joined November 2010
United States129 Posts
August 28 2011 02:11 GMT
#9337
On August 28 2011 11:10 kheldorin wrote:
LoL....why are people surprised that 1/1/1 won the Terran another game. Puma probably realized that Kiwikaki was actually good, stopped screwing around with his food and didn't want to risk anything. since 1/1/1 is a guaranteed win.

lol yeah
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
August 28 2011 02:11 GMT
#9338
On August 28 2011 11:10 tdt wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:06 TolEranceNA wrote:
I love how people don't say shit when Kiwi 2 base all-ins every game he played before it, and Puma all ins one game and people started flaming him. (i know the 1/1/1 situation, but it is just double standard.)

It's not a double standard. 2 base all ins don't win 90% of the time and only fail if Protoss fucks up.

Yeah I don't care if you allin, it's just that build is so cheap...even MVP says so lol
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 28 2011 02:11 GMT
#9339
On August 28 2011 11:10 Betsfrox wrote:
who is ttn114 thats its in the championship bracket losser r1

Belgian Zerg named Orly
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Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
August 28 2011 02:11 GMT
#9340
On August 28 2011 11:03 Techno wrote:
Void Ray all in is really good vs 1/1/1:

http://drop.sc/29691

http://drop.sc/29690


and how are u supposed to know 1/1/1 is coming? a voidray all in is a blind counter, not a scouted one
naniwa fighting!!!
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