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The following is a list of behaviors that will get immediate bans:

1. Whining about stream
2. Bashing other games
3. Flaming other users
4. Bashing players
5. Complaining about imbalance

Basically just be respectful. Aside from that, enjoy the games, make sure you bring an umbrella and have some delicious waffles! (#)
NaldoR
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore2198 Posts
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9241
On August 28 2011 11:06 StarStruck wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:02 Grettin wrote:
DeMuslim wins G3 in his extended series with KawaiiRice in CLR1

Ostojiy is up 1-0 on Tyler



Damn o-O

oh shit... cmon tyler...!!!!
hYdrA-MeNo
Profile Joined January 2010
Mexico344 Posts
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9242
On August 28 2011 11:04 Netsky wrote:
Imagine a world where...

...Protoss players stopped crying...

...and learned to play Starcraft 2.




LOL but then what would they talk about? ohhhhhh yeah how they hate pvp due to 4gate
Cant Tell you Whats good....But i can tell you what's what
Eschaton
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9243
you can't fault Puma for doing anything he can within the rules to win, and you can't argue that kiwi had a sub-optimal engagement there. but don't fret poor tosses, if the 1/1/1 goes on long enough without a solution, patches will happen. slowly but surely the number of imba T strats will get whittled down, this has been the story since beta.
redloser
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1729 Posts
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9244
On August 28 2011 11:04 Usagi wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:01 redloser wrote:
Can anyone please tell me what matchups for Pool Play were broadcasted today?

I saw Open Bracket, but missed Pool Play, and the OP doesn't show which games were broadcasted...



BTW, when would VOD's be available?

you can rewind the broadcast and watch in order


wow I didn't know that :D thx a lot!
KryptoStorm
Profile Joined August 2010
England377 Posts
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9245
On August 28 2011 11:01 Qikz wrote:
I really don't understand why protoss make zealots against marines. Marines are really, really good against zealots in medium numbers. Zealots without charge are just fodder for mass marines in that push :S


Because protoss can't afford Stalkers + Immortals + Phoenix + Sentries which is needed to combat the 1/1/1 build. For terran it's affordable, minerals for the cheap and easy marines, gas for the tanks/banshees.
사랑해요
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9246
On August 28 2011 11:04 Licmyobelisk wrote:
wow if only kiwikaki did his homework that pumas does the same thing in xel naga


He knew it was coming. Most all-ins if you know exactly what is coming you can hold them off fairly easily but this one is different.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9247
On August 28 2011 11:05 TT1 wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:00 EnderCraft wrote:
Do you think he should have bided more time TT1? He knew that he already pulled a bunch of SCV's. Why not sit back a bit more and get out a ton of more units and overwhelm Puma.


yea he should have stalled as much as possible, the more he delays the attack the stronger his compo becomes because of immortal/phoenix get really strong vs pumas composition the higher they get in number, that and he had a better eco so stalling would have allowed him to pump more units.. basic math t.t

i think he just got anxious and just engaged without thinking, should have just forced puma to slowpush his way towards his base so could have bought himself as much time as possible

Puma is reinforcing with Marines off his Barracks...How does your comp get stronger when his Marine ball will get to a point where they evaporate everything with absurd DPS and you have no AOE?
Scisyhp
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States200 Posts
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9248
If Puma thought the 1-1-1 would win him the game, then don't blame him for using it. Only an idiot would avoid doing something because it was (allegedly) OP. I definitely will not blame someone for trying to win, I'd much rather a player try to win than try to lose.
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 02:08:19
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9249
On August 28 2011 11:05 Razuik wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:03 HinagikUx wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 FairForever wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:01 BretZ wrote:
I'm gonna get flamed for raging, but why does Puma cheese his way through Protoss? He's won enough legit games, and why use a strategy that is debatably OP. Ah well, do what you have to win, but in the boring all-in way (( y u so gosu Puma I don't like more Korean Terran T.T


Because when a Code S spot is on the line, he should do anything to get it.

I hate the TvP 1-1-1 right now but you can't fault pros for using it until a counter gets found/a patch is done.



cept MVP, who said anyone who uses 1-1-1 is disgraceful and that he wont use that op build anymore .... what a baller

Yeah I'm pretty sure he never said those exact words. Were you complaining when MC was winning GSLs with 6gates almost every game PvZ?

Actually MVP said worst. He said people who use 1-1-1 should be disqualified from tournaments, period. At least MVP is a person who depends on his skill to carry him through. Much respect for MVP. No respect for puma.
coReY425
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark86 Posts
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9250
On August 28 2011 11:05 Fatalize wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:02 butchji wrote:
By the way: unrelated to the 1/1/1 build. Does anyone really think Kiwikaki is the better RTS player than PuMa? O_o



Lol, PuMa was Flash's practice partner and some other pros as well in BW.

It's not because he uses 1-1-1 that he's suddenly a piece of crap. PuMa is much more skilled RTS-wise than everybody else in this tournament.


Uh, Nada is in this tourney... Nada man..... NADA!
spirates
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden148 Posts
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9251
Whats the awesome song thats been playing in the pauses, the song before the current one ?
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9252
On August 28 2011 11:05 WindCalibur wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:01 illsick wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:00 WindCalibur wrote:
I really do not understand why protoss do not go 1 gate expand. It is so easy for 1 gate expand to hold a 1/1/1 yet i never see a protoss do it. I really do not understand.


cuz so many protoss players like tyler say that safe builds (even with stargate) does well against that build

but we all know that's not true


What does 1 gate expand lose to? It can hold 2 rax reactor pressure relative easily if you pull probes and dont skim on units. Even if you lose some probes, you will be ahead. You are on even footing if the terran goes for 1 rax expand, which he won't do on that map unless its on the main because of the wide expansion. Though 1 gate expand is weak to scv all ins, aren't 3 gate or 1 gate robo weak to that as well?

1 gate expand is so solid yet I see no one use it. Am I missing something that it cannot POSSIBLY hold off? I just don't see why people dont do the 1 gate expand especially since doing so always gives u a free win against 1/1/1 if played properly.

youre assuming that 1 gate expo is safe, but in reality it is inherently weak to any type of 2 rax pressure, especially with scvs.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9253
You can't blame players for picking a strategy that wins them games and the 1/1/1 is, without a doubt, extremply strong early game against protoss.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
NExt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1651 Posts
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9254
Warp Prism was what kiwikaki was missing. if he manage to get those immortals to snipe the siege tanks, would've been sick. oh wells, ppl will tell me im wrong cause marines will snipe the warp prism but... Warp Prism was what was missing.

gl gl. to the top 5 koreans, top baller korean/american.. SELECT FIGHTING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Waiting for Protoss Jesus
Meiffeltower
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden674 Posts
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9255
Are they done for the day streaming-wise or are their matches left to see.. ?
LEEEEE YOOOUUUUUNG HOOOOOO
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9256
Sigh, you know a nice counter to 1-1-1 that I miss? Reaver+shuttle micro.
darkness overpowering
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44599 Posts
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9257
On August 28 2011 11:04 Jcuervo wrote:
Is it me or the crowd seem dead and theres not a lot of people at the MLG venue?


Agreed. Columbus was paaaacked and we were crazy ^^

Maybe it's because of the hurricane? Is the weather affecting anything over there in Raleigh?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9258
Congrats to puma on his new sponsor gieco, 1-1-1 So easy even a caveman can do it
Moar banelings less qq
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9259
On August 28 2011 11:04 Otori wrote:
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On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him.

Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build


You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player


self respect refusing to use a specific build? that's just retarded, thats like saying its self respect to not 6pool someone

dont think MVP can pull off 1-1-1 builds as perfectly as puma does.

MVP would more than likely pull it off better than Puma.

I dislike the 1/1/1. It's broken. I don't abuse it when I play. I play straight up. I could use it and do extremely well but what's the point? It's like cheating to get infinite items in a game. It's boring. It's stupid. And it's broken.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
August 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#9260
On August 28 2011 11:05 WindCalibur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:01 illsick wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:00 WindCalibur wrote:
I really do not understand why protoss do not go 1 gate expand. It is so easy for 1 gate expand to hold a 1/1/1 yet i never see a protoss do it. I really do not understand.


cuz so many protoss players like tyler say that safe builds (even with stargate) does well against that build

but we all know that's not true


What does 1 gate expand lose to? It can hold 2 rax reactor pressure relative easily if you pull probes and dont skim on units. Even if you lose some probes, you will be ahead. You are on even footing if the terran goes for 1 rax expand, which he won't do on that map unless its on the main because of the wide expansion. Though 1 gate expand is weak to scv all ins, aren't 3 gate or 1 gate robo weak to that as well?

1 gate expand is so solid yet I see no one use it. Am I missing something that it cannot POSSIBLY hold off? I just don't see why people dont do the 1 gate expand especially since doing so always gives u a free win against 1/1/1 if played properly.


1Gate FE is the most common protoss build right now...it's used almost every game vs terran. But it's absolutely not a free win against 1/1/1, it's decent against it but it's still incredibly hard to beat it.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
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