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On August 28 2011 11:00 EnderCraft wrote:Do you think he should have bided more time TT1? He knew that he already pulled a bunch of SCV's. Why not sit back a bit more and get out a ton of more units and overwhelm Puma.
yea he should have stalled for as long as possible, the more he delays the attack the stronger his compo becomes because of immortal/phoenix get really strong vs pumas composition the higher they get in number, that and he had a better eco so stalling would have allowed him to pump more units.. basic math t.t
i think he just got anxious and just engaged without thinking, should have just forced puma to slowpush his way towards his base so could have bought himself as much time as possible
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On August 28 2011 11:04 DoomsVille wrote:
You guys should lay off PuMa. Really kiwikaki has no one to blame but himself.
1) He chose XNC... he has to realize there is basically a 100% chance PuMa 1-1-1's on XNC.
2) He engaged pretty poorly there. Running into 4 sieged tanks.
I just don't get why Kiwikaki didn't pick a different map........
I think Kiwi prepared this build just for the 1-1-1 and he was quite confident of holding it off. and he almost did if he did not engage it wrongly...
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On August 28 2011 11:03 phyren wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:00 Twinfun wrote:
I don't see the need for him to initiate into the tanks. So many SCV's were pulled. I think he could have just delayed the push as long as he could possibly delay it and wind up having a larger force.
My 2 cents. I was thinking the same thing watching it, but I think he was worried that waiting would allow Puma too many tanks/marines. They scale so well that you really can't keep up with slow zealots.
The thing with not engaging is that 1-1-1 eventually evolves into a hard contain which forces a 1-base colossus build that just loses to anything. You need to defeat the push, you can't stall too much because terran will gain an insurmountable economic lead.
Also, immortals and phoenixes lose effectiveness as the marine numbers rise and combat shield/stimpack complete, another reason you can't just wait.
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On August 28 2011 11:03 HinagikUx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:02 FairForever wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 BretZ wrote:I'm gonna get flamed for raging, but why does Puma cheese his way through Protoss? He's won enough legit games, and why use a strategy that is debatably OP. Ah well, do what you have to win, but in the boring all-in way  (( y u so gosu Puma I don't like more Korean Terran T.T Because when a Code S spot is on the line, he should do anything to get it. I hate the TvP 1-1-1 right now but you can't fault pros for using it until a counter gets found/a patch is done. cept MVP, who said anyone who uses 1-1-1 is disgraceful and that he wont use that op build anymore ....  what a baller
I'd imagine things are a lot easier for him since hes already in Code S.
You play to win, don't get Puma because Blizzard can't fix their game. 1-1-1 is pretty broken, but tbh, If I was in Puma's shoes I would probably do it to every Protoss
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On August 28 2011 11:04 klops wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:02 Jakkerr wrote:
The only thing left for me in this tourney is pray to god Puma doesn't win this event.
I don't want to see EG.1-1-1 in code S at all, he doesn't deserve it how in the world does puma not deserve it. are you even watching this tournament? he all in's once = BURN THE WITCH?
he allins a fuckton of games sadly enough
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This is the reason why Genius went proxy stargate 2 games in a row vs Virus. He wanted to win and 1/1/1 is way too strong. Blizzard really needs to fix this haha.
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By the way I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet.
but Kiwi did the protoss 1-1-1 that game.
gate robo stargate
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On August 28 2011 11:04 DoomsVille wrote:
You guys should lay off PuMa. Really kiwikaki has no one to blame but himself.
1) He chose XNC... he has to realize there is basically a 100% chance PuMa 1-1-1's on XNC.
2) He engaged pretty poorly there. Running into 4 sieged tanks.
I just don't get why Kiwikaki didn't pick a different map........
That's exactly why Kiwi chose XNC. He was ahead of Puma strategically, he just had a bad engagement and Puma executes it really fucking well. I have to imagine Kiwi was confident against 1-1-1 though.
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On August 28 2011 11:04 Grapesludge wrote:
Did Kiwi have to engage there? I mean PuMa pulled a lot of scv's and he forced the siege up in midfield, shouldn't he just have delayed the push until PuMa was at his doorstep? seeing all those scv's not mining I would think he'd only get advantage out of the waiting-game.
Well Kiwi needed an open area to engage. He didn't want to engage too close to his natural where there are two big chokes that would block his zealots off from doing much. But no matter what, not the best engagement for Kiwi.
Oh well, he's played fantastic so far this tournament. Hopefully he'll have a good run tomorrow.
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I WANT BACK MY 5 RAXX REAPERS!!!
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I wonder if there would anyone complaining about 1-1-1 if a foreign terran would have beaten a top korean protoss with it. ~
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On August 28 2011 11:02 Grettin wrote:
DeMuslim wins G3 in his extended series with KawaiiRice in CLR1
Ostojiy is up 1-0 on Tyler
Damn o-O
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if TLO took just 1 game off of select, DRG would have won the group I think :'(
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On August 28 2011 11:03 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:01 benjammin wrote:
serious question: with the expo having so much surface area, why wouldn't kiwi keep delaying until puma has to push through the cavern? why engage earlier if your advantage increases over time? im so tired of seeing this shit. tell me, HOW does his advantage increase over time? bottom line: 1) mass marines only dealt with aoe 2) marine ball constantly growing 3) kiwi had no chance of getting aoe since both templar and colossus require time and resources he didnt have would you rather he waited until puma slow pushed to the chokes of his natural?
iono maybe cuz kiwi had 4gates 1 robo 1 star and double the income of puma? lol how does his advantage not increase over time when nothing is happening and puma has half his scvs pulled. he didn't need to wait for aoe he needed to wait for ANYTHING. more zealots more phoenixes, whatever, he needed to wait as long as possible.
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On August 28 2011 11:03 HinagikUx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:02 FairForever wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 BretZ wrote:I'm gonna get flamed for raging, but why does Puma cheese his way through Protoss? He's won enough legit games, and why use a strategy that is debatably OP. Ah well, do what you have to win, but in the boring all-in way (( y u so gosu Puma I don't like more Korean Terran T.T Because when a Code S spot is on the line, he should do anything to get it. I hate the TvP 1-1-1 right now but you can't fault pros for using it until a counter gets found/a patch is done. cept MVP, who said anyone who uses 1-1-1 is disgraceful and that he wont use that op build anymore .... what a baller
Except you're wrong. He said that 1-1-1 is overpowered and he wouldn't use it, that part is correct. However he said people play to win, so if there is a build that lets them win they should use it.
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On August 28 2011 11:03 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
Bad engagement by Kiwi. Should've waited it out rather than walking directly into a siege line.
Waited for...? To be bottled up his own ramp? Puma was already staggering his tanks
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It was pretty clear that Kiwi tried to trick Puma into doing the 1-1-1, hoping to hold it.
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On August 28 2011 11:03 HinagikUx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 11:02 FairForever wrote:On August 28 2011 11:01 BretZ wrote:I'm gonna get flamed for raging, but why does Puma cheese his way through Protoss? He's won enough legit games, and why use a strategy that is debatably OP. Ah well, do what you have to win, but in the boring all-in way (( y u so gosu Puma I don't like more Korean Terran T.T Because when a Code S spot is on the line, he should do anything to get it. I hate the TvP 1-1-1 right now but you can't fault pros for using it until a counter gets found/a patch is done. cept MVP, who said anyone who uses 1-1-1 is disgraceful and that he wont use that op build anymore .... what a baller
As admirable as that might sound, it's a really really bad idea. You can bet anything that he'll lose to extremely difficult builds from protoss and zerg at some point in the future, and his opponents aren't likely to show mercy.
Use it while you can.
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I love how people don't say shit when Kiwi 2 base all-ins every game he played before it, and Puma all ins one game and people started flaming him. (i know the 1/1/1 situation, but it is just double standard.)
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Even though a lot of fans are disappointed about the last series, I think we should all be proud of kiwi. Good pool record and most people would have predicted a loss vs Puma anyway. I'm certain he freaking scared the hell out of Puma there in games 2 & 3.
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