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The following is a list of behaviors that will get immediate bans:

1. Whining about stream
2. Bashing other games
3. Flaming other users
4. Bashing players
5. Complaining about imbalance

Basically just be respectful. Aside from that, enjoy the games, make sure you bring an umbrella and have some delicious waffles! (#)
duct_TAPE
Profile Joined May 2011
492 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9161
Did Kiwi have to engage there? I mean PuMa pulled a lot of scv's and he forced the siege up in midfield, shouldn't he just have delayed the push until PuMa was at his doorstep? seeing all those scv's not mining I would think he'd only get advantage out of the waiting-game.
"WHAT!? but I thought there was only one way in Canada!" "Yeah, and y'all went the wrong direction on it"
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9162
You guys should lay off PuMa. Really kiwikaki has no one to blame but himself.

1) He chose XNC... he has to realize there is basically a 100% chance PuMa 1-1-1's on XNC.
2) He engaged pretty poorly there. Running into 4 sieged tanks.

I just don't get why Kiwikaki didn't pick a different map........
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9163
Kiwi's composition was pretty sick though, will definitely be doing that if i come up against the 1-1-1. To be fair, seeing that i can understand why blizz are buffing immortal range, he would have been able to do those same forcefields and still hit the tanks with the immortals.
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9164
On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him.

lol. I don't think he's worried about winning your respect when his goal is to win the tournament.
#TeamBuLba
Weasel-
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada1556 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9165
I have to agree with many of the people in this thread, the immortals should have come around from another angle along with some zealots to attack the tanks where not only would there be no marines, but there would be no forcefields either.
NaldoR
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore2198 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9166
On August 28 2011 11:02 Philip2110 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:00 Sithelin123 wrote:
why isn't 1-1-1 used against zerg?


Because they have early game aoe units that can kill marines

welll they have the banshee tank all in too... just a different form... i am not sure of the build Have not seen it for quite long
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9167
On August 28 2011 10:59 DystopiaX wrote:
DRG BEAT HERO 2-0!!!! DRG 1st in pool!

Nope Select is, based on better record
Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9168
Imagine a world where...

...Protoss players stopped crying...

...and learned to play Starcraft 2.
Flonkkertiin
Profile Joined April 2011
United States24 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9169
kiwikaki had to know that was going to be the build when he picked that map right?
"That Queen shouldn't be that far off creep. She should be back at the hatchery, barefoot and pregnant."
arfyron
Profile Joined July 2011
518 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9170
On August 28 2011 11:01 BretZ wrote:
I'm gonna get flamed for raging, but why does Puma cheese his way through Protoss? He's won enough legit games, and why use a strategy that is debatably OP. Ah well, do what you have to win, but in the boring all-in way (( y u so gosu Puma I don't like more Korean Terran T.T


If I had to guess I would bet he is tired from the sheer amount of matches he has had to play today and wants to get them over as soon as possible. Also why not do a build he feels will win that he is really good at?
rpgalon
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil1069 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9171
On August 28 2011 11:00 DizzyDrone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 10:59 Mohdoo wrote:
Wow. That was hands down the most perfect defense you could possibly do. If that wasn't enough, nothing is. Needs to be patched.


No it wasn't... He had no reason to engage yet in the first place, he could have delayed longer. His immortals were not shooting the siege tanks. The force fields protected half of the marines from dying to the zealots.


delaying would make it worse, marines grow stronger on numbers and mules oversaturates a base. if he waited till mine out terran can lift and go to expansion...
badog
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9172
On August 28 2011 11:03 Flonomenalz wrote:
Lol... Here comes the 1/1/1 imba posts when Kiwi just had to stall longer...

He was getting a good enough composition to beat it if he just stalled longer and warped in more stalkers.

And WHY would he pick Xelnaga when 1/1/1 is so strong on that map... I can't figure his thought process.


Stalling longer doesn't help unless you have AoE. The longer he stalls, the more marines he has, the more dps he has. Derp.
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
Otori
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden164 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9173
On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him.

Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build


You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player


self respect refusing to use a specific build? that's just retarded, thats like saying its self respect to not 6pool someone

dont think MVP can pull off 1-1-1 builds as perfectly as puma does.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9174
On August 28 2011 11:02 Grettin wrote:
DeMuslim wins G3 in his extended series with KawaiiRice in CLR1

Ostojiy is up 1-0 on Tyler

Demuslim has to win 4-1 now because of the extended series. God just thinking about this stupidity makes me rage hard.
Off-season = best season
Plutonik
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada329 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9175
On August 28 2011 11:00 WindCalibur wrote:
I really do not understand why protoss do not go 1 gate expand. It is so easy for 1 gate expand to hold a 1/1/1 yet i never see a protoss do it. I really do not understand.

says the zerg...
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9176
On August 28 2011 11:01 Gobe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:00 WindCalibur wrote:
I really do not understand why protoss do not go 1 gate expand. It is so easy for 1 gate expand to hold a 1/1/1 yet i never see a protoss do it. I really do not understand.


Because 1 gate expand is insta lose to basically all other Terran builds.


1Gate FE is pretty good against most Terran builds and thts why almost every Protoss does it nowadays (except Kiwi)

But it's still not easy to hold 1/1/1 with 1Gate FE. You have the economy to beat it but u still lack AOE and less tech.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Lakai
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada315 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9177
On August 28 2011 11:03 Moragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:00 EnderCraft wrote:
Do you think he should have bided more time TT1? He knew that he already pulled a bunch of SCV's. Why not sit back a bit more and get out a ton of more units and overwhelm Puma.


Yes, because unupgraded gateway units and immortals are going to stop an endless swarm of mule marines.

Did you see how many scvs he pulled? Mules aren't that OP guys.
HerO - Minigun - MaNa - Puzzle - NonY - Axslav - MKP - DeMusliM - SeleCT - LosirA
Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9178
All TvP are 1-1-1 now, all TvZ bunker rushes... Only in TvT we see a wide variety of all-ins.
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9179
On August 28 2011 11:04 geno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:01 Rannasha wrote:
Why would Kiwi engage right there? He was in the middle of the map, so he could've danced and retreated all the way back to his base, stalling for time. With half of Pumas SCVs with the push, the longer Kiwi waited, the more he would get ahead in supply for the final battle. Nothing to be gained by charging into battle in the middle of the map.

Yeah I don't understand that either. Seems like that counter should revolve around delay, delay, delay, and never push while hes sieged if you can avoid it (which you can when its in the middle of the map). Puma had half his SCVs there doing nothing, and Kiwi had plenty of room to fall back since he engaged so far out, not sure why he didn't bide his time longer


he was more like fuck this I'm going to try if I can surprise him
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
August 28 2011 02:04 GMT
#9180
On August 28 2011 11:02 Dommk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:01 Mordiford wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:00 iamke55 wrote:
Stop playing so greedy! Get a stargate! Slow down the push!


How did he play greedy? He got a stargate, he slowed down the push... You're on a massive knife's edge against that push, it's super duper duper tough to hold.

I think he was being sarcastic as that is the usual response to whenever a Protoss losses


Went over my head, sarcasm can be hard to read on the internet.

Hard to tell who is being sarcastic and who is flat out retarded these days.
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