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Sweden33719 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:51 JKira wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:49 Qaatar wrote:On August 12 2011 20:47 JKira wrote:On August 12 2011 20:42 Caesarion wrote:Woah, even MVP. That's pretty huge That's funny because MVP often uses a 2base variation of the 1-1-1 to set up contains. I appreciate that he has the...iunno what the word is, dignity (?) to not do the allin version. Uh, he's done it once in the GSL. Wtf... Huh? He did it vs Sangho in the Teamleague, vs HuK in the World Championships, and once more I believe that I'm not remembering the name of, and of course to MC recently. Hes done 2 base tank banshee marine a lot, but not 1 base very often. Huge difference.
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On August 12 2011 20:51 KiNGxXx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:49 Logros wrote:On August 12 2011 20:47 s3183529 wrote:Just quote myself so y'all can see. Those who think u're better than MVP are probably delusional. How ironic when he did the exact same thing but off of 2 bases against MC. What? Apparently, the difference between a 1 base all-in, and a 2 base hard contain strategy is lost on him. I pity him.
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On August 12 2011 20:51 Maghetti wrote: Why does the observer never get any love? I demand camera time for the observer! Hotbid has unfortunately photobombed so much that he has stolen camera time from all observers.
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Tasteless has a myopic understanding of the word gambit.
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Ohhhhhhhhhh theBest you sneaky sneaky guy.....
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TheBest truly is a villain. An evil one >:|
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oh yeah! Now if he can drive these properly!
TheBest is doing pretty well. Looks like he's prepared for mlg.
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Is this an expo 2port? What the heck? I really hope this doesn't work because I will cry if this starts happening to me on ladder.
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TheBest beeing the best :D
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On August 12 2011 20:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I was telling people to jump in a lake because yesterday they whine about Thorzain not using his banshee to scout, and today they whine about the banshee dying to phoenixes because asd used it to scout.
There needs to be consistency, you cant go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE DIDNT SCOUT WITH BANSHEE" then next day go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE SCOUTED WITH BANSHEE".
Welcome to the internet. Unless you have crossposting proof the same people are being hypocrits you aren't going to be as effective (or accurate) with your post as you want to be.
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go banshees and win to shut up all your haters.
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On August 12 2011 20:52 Probe1 wrote: Tasteless has a myopic understanding of the word gambit. Hahaha, well played.
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On August 12 2011 20:52 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 12 2011 20:45 Jacobs Ladder wrote:On August 12 2011 20:42 HolyArrow wrote:On August 12 2011 20:39 bbQ4Aiur wrote:On August 12 2011 20:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 12 2011 20:33 ktgster wrote: Doesn't anyone find that the standard for TvP is doing a 1 base all in on every map that permits it is fundamentally wrong? You can claim it's perfectly holdable given perfect execution, but when players have the confidence to do it every single game, don't you think something is wrong?
my 2 cents Yep, I agree that something is wrong~_~ I do think Ps should do more builds that counter it blindly, but I dont think they should HAVE to do that. which means u also agree 1-1-1 is a problem I don't think Jinro's original post that included telling people to jump in a lake was saying that 1-1-1 isn't a problem - he was saying that people who think it's literally impossible to hold off are lacking in intelligence, and I agree with that. Unfortunately, many people seem to have bandwagoned on it and turned it into a huge strawman, which is probably not what Jinro wanted  Even though it might not seem that way because the build makes me irate some times, I completely agree. It can be defended, its just very hard. I just so bored with that build that I want it to be solved or fixed or something (which is easier said than done without breaking something else). I was telling people to jump in a lake because yesterday they whine about Thorzain not using his banshee to scout, and today they whine about the banshee dying to phoenixes because asd used it to scout. There needs to be consistency, you cant go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE DIDNT SCOUT WITH BANSHEE" then next day go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE SCOUTED WITH BANSHEE". I wasn't aware that people were saying that yesterday about Thorzain's game, but I agree that consistency is important so I can see why you're annoyed. What I gleaned from Thorzain's game though was that he just engaged pretty badly, didn't micro his Banshees well when the engagement began, didn't siege his tanks in time, and let his marines stray way too far from the one tank that he sieged in the back. Am I wrong in my interpretation? you talk like a PR guy. it's tl bro, chill
hehe, i'm just kiddin
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TheBest's drink and drive-banshees inc!
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Someone said it would be 2port banshees, haha, ure right, kinda late tho
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On August 12 2011 20:52 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:51 JKira wrote:On August 12 2011 20:49 Qaatar wrote:On August 12 2011 20:47 JKira wrote:On August 12 2011 20:42 Caesarion wrote:Woah, even MVP. That's pretty huge That's funny because MVP often uses a 2base variation of the 1-1-1 to set up contains. I appreciate that he has the...iunno what the word is, dignity (?) to not do the allin version. Uh, he's done it once in the GSL. Wtf... Huh? He did it vs Sangho in the Teamleague, vs HuK in the World Championships, and once more I believe that I'm not remembering the name of, and of course to MC recently. Hes done 2 base tank banshee marine a lot, but not 1 base very often. Huge difference.
Oh no that's exactly what I'm saying. That he does a 2base variation of it, I was commending for him for not using the 1 base version lol
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let's see if thebest's banshee control is as bad as usual
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On August 12 2011 20:50 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 12 2011 20:45 Jacobs Ladder wrote:On August 12 2011 20:42 HolyArrow wrote:On August 12 2011 20:39 bbQ4Aiur wrote:On August 12 2011 20:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 12 2011 20:33 ktgster wrote: Doesn't anyone find that the standard for TvP is doing a 1 base all in on every map that permits it is fundamentally wrong? You can claim it's perfectly holdable given perfect execution, but when players have the confidence to do it every single game, don't you think something is wrong?
my 2 cents Yep, I agree that something is wrong~_~ I do think Ps should do more builds that counter it blindly, but I dont think they should HAVE to do that. which means u also agree 1-1-1 is a problem I don't think Jinro's original post that included telling people to jump in a lake was saying that 1-1-1 isn't a problem - he was saying that people who think it's literally impossible to hold off are lacking in intelligence, and I agree with that. Unfortunately, many people seem to have bandwagoned on it and turned it into a huge strawman, which is probably not what Jinro wanted  Even though it might not seem that way because the build makes me irate some times, I completely agree. It can be defended, its just very hard. I just so bored with that build that I want it to be solved or fixed or something (which is easier said than done without breaking something else). I was telling people to jump in a lake because yesterday they whine about Thorzain not using his banshee to scout, and today they whine about the banshee dying to phoenixes because asd used it to scout. There needs to be consistency, you cant go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE DIDNT SCOUT WITH BANSHEE" then next day go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE SCOUTED WITH BANSHEE". Thing is that 1-1-1 isn't identical every time. There is a lot of deviation with it, so you can't blind counter all the possible variations in the same way. This might also mean that scouting or not scouting with a banshee might be right or wrong depending on which version the Terran is doing.
With Cloak you should generally move out, without Cloak it's debatable if you don't know whether Protoss has built a starport. Still, you shouldn't lose more than 1 Banshee as T even if you are surprised by Phoenices.
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