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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
August 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#1641
On August 12 2011 20:51 JKira wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 20:49 Qaatar wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:47 JKira wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:42 Caesarion wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:41 s3183529 wrote:
http://twitter.com/OrangeMilkis/status/101841926554259456 MVP said: "There needs to be a rule where you get disqualified if you use 1/1/1"


Woah, even MVP. That's pretty huge


That's funny because MVP often uses a 2base variation of the 1-1-1 to set up contains. I appreciate that he has the...iunno what the word is, dignity (?) to not do the allin version.


Uh, he's done it once in the GSL. Wtf...


Huh? He did it vs Sangho in the Teamleague, vs HuK in the World Championships, and once more I believe that I'm not remembering the name of, and of course to MC recently.

Hes done 2 base tank banshee marine a lot, but not 1 base very often. Huge difference.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
August 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#1642
--- Nuked ---
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#1643
On August 12 2011 20:51 KiNGxXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 20:49 Logros wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:47 s3183529 wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:41 s3183529 wrote:
http://twitter.com/OrangeMilkis/status/101841926554259456 IMMVP said: "There needs to be a rule where you get disqualified if you use 1/1/1"

Just quote myself so y'all can see. Those who think u're better than MVP are probably delusional.

How ironic when he did the exact same thing but off of 2 bases against MC.

What?

Apparently, the difference between a 1 base all-in, and a 2 base hard contain strategy is lost on him. I pity him.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Jacobs Ladder
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1705 Posts
August 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#1644
On August 12 2011 20:51 Maghetti wrote:
Why does the observer never get any love? I demand camera time for the observer!

Hotbid has unfortunately photobombed so much that he has stolen camera time from all observers.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
August 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#1645
Tasteless has a myopic understanding of the word gambit.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
August 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#1646
Ohhhhhhhhhh theBest you sneaky sneaky guy.....
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
August 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#1647
TheBest truly is a villain. An evil one >:|
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 11:53:47
August 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#1648
oh yeah! Now if he can drive these properly!

TheBest is doing pretty well. Looks like he's prepared for mlg.
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
August 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#1649
Is this an expo 2port? What the heck? I really hope this doesn't work because I will cry if this starts happening to me on ladder.
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
August 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#1650
HOLY FUCK NICE FAKE
kubiks
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1328 Posts
August 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#1651
TheBest beeing the best :D
Juanald you're my hero I miss you -> best troll ever on TL <3
mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3803 Posts
August 12 2011 11:53 GMT
#1652
On August 12 2011 20:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I was telling people to jump in a lake because yesterday they whine about Thorzain not using his banshee to scout, and today they whine about the banshee dying to phoenixes because asd used it to scout.

There needs to be consistency, you cant go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE DIDNT SCOUT WITH BANSHEE" then next day go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE SCOUTED WITH BANSHEE".



Welcome to the internet. Unless you have crossposting proof the same people are being hypocrits you aren't going to be as effective (or accurate) with your post as you want to be.
ragealot
Profile Joined July 2011
432 Posts
August 12 2011 11:53 GMT
#1653
go banshees and win to shut up all your haters.
asperger
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1310 Posts
August 12 2011 11:53 GMT
#1654
On August 12 2011 20:52 Probe1 wrote:
Tasteless has a myopic understanding of the word gambit.

Hahaha, well played.
Nestea | Puzzle | DongRaeGu | YongHwa
SxYSpAz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1451 Posts
August 12 2011 11:53 GMT
#1655
On August 12 2011 20:52 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 20:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:45 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:42 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:39 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:33 ktgster wrote:
Doesn't anyone find that the standard for TvP is doing a 1 base all in on every map that permits it is fundamentally wrong? You can claim it's perfectly holdable given perfect execution, but when players have the confidence to do it every single game, don't you think something is wrong?

my 2 cents

Yep, I agree that something is wrong~_~ I do think Ps should do more builds that counter it blindly, but I dont think they should HAVE to do that.

which means u also agree 1-1-1 is a problem


I don't think Jinro's original post that included telling people to jump in a lake was saying that 1-1-1 isn't a problem - he was saying that people who think it's literally impossible to hold off are lacking in intelligence, and I agree with that. Unfortunately, many people seem to have bandwagoned on it and turned it into a huge strawman, which is probably not what Jinro wanted

Even though it might not seem that way because the build makes me irate some times, I completely agree. It can be defended, its just very hard. I just so bored with that build that I want it to be solved or fixed or something (which is easier said than done without breaking something else).

I was telling people to jump in a lake because yesterday they whine about Thorzain not using his banshee to scout, and today they whine about the banshee dying to phoenixes because asd used it to scout.

There needs to be consistency, you cant go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE DIDNT SCOUT WITH BANSHEE" then next day go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE SCOUTED WITH BANSHEE".


I wasn't aware that people were saying that yesterday about Thorzain's game, but I agree that consistency is important so I can see why you're annoyed. What I gleaned from Thorzain's game though was that he just engaged pretty badly, didn't micro his Banshees well when the engagement began, didn't siege his tanks in time, and let his marines stray way too far from the one tank that he sieged in the back. Am I wrong in my interpretation?

you talk like a PR guy. it's tl bro, chill

hehe, i'm just kiddin
kickazs
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway540 Posts
August 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#1656
TheBest's drink and drive-banshees inc!
bbQ4Aiur
Profile Joined March 2011
Hong Kong2752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 11:54:16
August 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#1657
Someone said it would be 2port banshees, haha, ure right, kinda late tho
JKira
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1002 Posts
August 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#1658
On August 12 2011 20:52 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 20:51 JKira wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:49 Qaatar wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:47 JKira wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:42 Caesarion wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:41 s3183529 wrote:
http://twitter.com/OrangeMilkis/status/101841926554259456 MVP said: "There needs to be a rule where you get disqualified if you use 1/1/1"


Woah, even MVP. That's pretty huge


That's funny because MVP often uses a 2base variation of the 1-1-1 to set up contains. I appreciate that he has the...iunno what the word is, dignity (?) to not do the allin version.


Uh, he's done it once in the GSL. Wtf...


Huh? He did it vs Sangho in the Teamleague, vs HuK in the World Championships, and once more I believe that I'm not remembering the name of, and of course to MC recently.

Hes done 2 base tank banshee marine a lot, but not 1 base very often. Huge difference.


Oh no that's exactly what I'm saying. That he does a 2base variation of it, I was commending for him for not using the 1 base version lol
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
August 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#1659
let's see if thebest's banshee control is as bad as usual
ForTheDr3am
Profile Joined November 2010
842 Posts
August 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#1660
On August 12 2011 20:50 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 20:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:45 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:42 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:39 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:33 ktgster wrote:
Doesn't anyone find that the standard for TvP is doing a 1 base all in on every map that permits it is fundamentally wrong? You can claim it's perfectly holdable given perfect execution, but when players have the confidence to do it every single game, don't you think something is wrong?

my 2 cents

Yep, I agree that something is wrong~_~ I do think Ps should do more builds that counter it blindly, but I dont think they should HAVE to do that.

which means u also agree 1-1-1 is a problem


I don't think Jinro's original post that included telling people to jump in a lake was saying that 1-1-1 isn't a problem - he was saying that people who think it's literally impossible to hold off are lacking in intelligence, and I agree with that. Unfortunately, many people seem to have bandwagoned on it and turned it into a huge strawman, which is probably not what Jinro wanted

Even though it might not seem that way because the build makes me irate some times, I completely agree. It can be defended, its just very hard. I just so bored with that build that I want it to be solved or fixed or something (which is easier said than done without breaking something else).

I was telling people to jump in a lake because yesterday they whine about Thorzain not using his banshee to scout, and today they whine about the banshee dying to phoenixes because asd used it to scout.

There needs to be consistency, you cant go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE DIDNT SCOUT WITH BANSHEE" then next day go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE SCOUTED WITH BANSHEE".

Thing is that 1-1-1 isn't identical every time. There is a lot of deviation with it, so you can't blind counter all the possible variations in the same way. This might also mean that scouting or not scouting with a banshee might be right or wrong depending on which version the Terran is doing.


With Cloak you should generally move out, without Cloak it's debatable if you don't know whether Protoss has built a starport. Still, you shouldn't lose more than 1 Banshee as T even if you are surprised by Phoenices.
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