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bbQ4Aiur
Profile Joined March 2011
Hong Kong2752 Posts
August 12 2011 11:50 GMT
#1621
On August 12 2011 20:47 HolyArrow wrote:
Coca? I don't agree with that at all. Byun has shown excellent TvT results, while Coca's vT winrate is 35%. I guess Coca has been owning it up vT lately in practice, or something.

Coca took 1 game from Keen recently but lost another game to him, so he cant advance
Jacobs Ladder
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1705 Posts
August 12 2011 11:50 GMT
#1622
On August 12 2011 20:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 20:45 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:42 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:39 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:33 ktgster wrote:
Doesn't anyone find that the standard for TvP is doing a 1 base all in on every map that permits it is fundamentally wrong? You can claim it's perfectly holdable given perfect execution, but when players have the confidence to do it every single game, don't you think something is wrong?

my 2 cents

Yep, I agree that something is wrong~_~ I do think Ps should do more builds that counter it blindly, but I dont think they should HAVE to do that.

which means u also agree 1-1-1 is a problem


I don't think Jinro's original post that included telling people to jump in a lake was saying that 1-1-1 isn't a problem - he was saying that people who think it's literally impossible to hold off are lacking in intelligence, and I agree with that. Unfortunately, many people seem to have bandwagoned on it and turned it into a huge strawman, which is probably not what Jinro wanted

Even though it might not seem that way because the build makes me irate some times, I completely agree. It can be defended, its just very hard. I just so bored with that build that I want it to be solved or fixed or something (which is easier said than done without breaking something else).

I was telling people to jump in a lake because yesterday they whine about Thorzain not using his banshee to scout, and today they whine about the banshee dying to phoenixes because asd used it to scout.

There needs to be consistency, you cant go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE DIDNT SCOUT WITH BANSHEE" then next day go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE SCOUTED WITH BANSHEE".

I get it . I really enjoy when you post in these threads because your input is fantastic. Don't let whinny P players like I can sometimes be scare you away.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 11:51:30
August 12 2011 11:50 GMT
#1623
On August 12 2011 20:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 20:45 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:42 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:39 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:33 ktgster wrote:
Doesn't anyone find that the standard for TvP is doing a 1 base all in on every map that permits it is fundamentally wrong? You can claim it's perfectly holdable given perfect execution, but when players have the confidence to do it every single game, don't you think something is wrong?

my 2 cents

Yep, I agree that something is wrong~_~ I do think Ps should do more builds that counter it blindly, but I dont think they should HAVE to do that.

which means u also agree 1-1-1 is a problem


I don't think Jinro's original post that included telling people to jump in a lake was saying that 1-1-1 isn't a problem - he was saying that people who think it's literally impossible to hold off are lacking in intelligence, and I agree with that. Unfortunately, many people seem to have bandwagoned on it and turned it into a huge strawman, which is probably not what Jinro wanted

Even though it might not seem that way because the build makes me irate some times, I completely agree. It can be defended, its just very hard. I just so bored with that build that I want it to be solved or fixed or something (which is easier said than done without breaking something else).

I was telling people to jump in a lake because yesterday they whine about Thorzain not using his banshee to scout, and today they whine about the banshee dying to phoenixes because asd used it to scout.

There needs to be consistency, you cant go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE DIDNT SCOUT WITH BANSHEE" then next day go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE SCOUTED WITH BANSHEE".

Thing is that 1-1-1 isn't identical every time. There is a lot of deviation with it, so you can't blind counter all the possible variations in the same way. This might also mean that scouting or not scouting with a banshee might be right or wrong depending on which version the Terran is doing.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
August 12 2011 11:50 GMT
#1624
--- Nuked ---
Nastiness
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 11:51:36
August 12 2011 11:51 GMT
#1625
Im losing everysingle ZvT when going roach after hellion blue flame, havnt really found a good way to handle the siegetank/thors

and like 4 out of 5 terrans goes with that build
There is no rest in the dark realm.
SxYSpAz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1451 Posts
August 12 2011 11:51 GMT
#1626
On August 12 2011 20:49 Emporio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 20:48 MrCon wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:47 Tachion wrote:
Remember when GSTL teams wouldn't dare send out a Zerg?
I do <3

haha yeah, they were throwing terrans at each other non stop :D


Then there was the GSTL when only Protoss would win.

now we just need only zergs winning. too bad there's like 5 zergs in korea. lol jp :p
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
August 12 2011 11:51 GMT
#1627
Why does the observer never get any love? I demand camera time for the observer!
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
August 12 2011 11:51 GMT
#1628
On August 12 2011 20:49 Logros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 20:47 s3183529 wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:41 s3183529 wrote:
http://twitter.com/OrangeMilkis/status/101841926554259456 IMMVP said: "There needs to be a rule where you get disqualified if you use 1/1/1"

Just quote myself so y'all can see. Those who think u're better than MVP are probably delusional.

How ironic when he did the exact same thing but off of 2 bases against MC.

What?
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
Kinch
Profile Joined August 2010
United States258 Posts
August 12 2011 11:51 GMT
#1629
On August 12 2011 20:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 20:45 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:42 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:39 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:33 ktgster wrote:
Doesn't anyone find that the standard for TvP is doing a 1 base all in on every map that permits it is fundamentally wrong? You can claim it's perfectly holdable given perfect execution, but when players have the confidence to do it every single game, don't you think something is wrong?

my 2 cents

Yep, I agree that something is wrong~_~ I do think Ps should do more builds that counter it blindly, but I dont think they should HAVE to do that.

which means u also agree 1-1-1 is a problem


I don't think Jinro's original post that included telling people to jump in a lake was saying that 1-1-1 isn't a problem - he was saying that people who think it's literally impossible to hold off are lacking in intelligence, and I agree with that. Unfortunately, many people seem to have bandwagoned on it and turned it into a huge strawman, which is probably not what Jinro wanted

Even though it might not seem that way because the build makes me irate some times, I completely agree. It can be defended, its just very hard. I just so bored with that build that I want it to be solved or fixed or something (which is easier said than done without breaking something else).

I was telling people to jump in a lake because yesterday they whine about Thorzain not using his banshee to scout, and today they whine about the banshee dying to phoenixes because asd used it to scout.

There needs to be consistency, you cant go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE DIDNT SCOUT WITH BANSHEE" then next day go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE SCOUTED WITH BANSHEE".


Weeeellll ... you can't expect consistency from a random group of LR posters. You can pick and choose all you want and come up with similar examples for any situation.
JKira
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1002 Posts
August 12 2011 11:51 GMT
#1630
On August 12 2011 20:49 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 20:47 JKira wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:42 Caesarion wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:41 s3183529 wrote:
http://twitter.com/OrangeMilkis/status/101841926554259456 MVP said: "There needs to be a rule where you get disqualified if you use 1/1/1"


Woah, even MVP. That's pretty huge


That's funny because MVP often uses a 2base variation of the 1-1-1 to set up contains. I appreciate that he has the...iunno what the word is, dignity (?) to not do the allin version.


Uh, he's done it once in the GSL. Wtf...


Huh? He did it vs Sangho in the Teamleague, vs HuK in the World Championships, and once more I believe that I'm not remembering the name of, and of course to MC recently.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 11:52:47
August 12 2011 11:51 GMT
#1631
OOOHHHH TASTELESS

EDIT: Also, are you guys done complaining about 1/1/1?
ffxiv enjoyer
Domination
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1177 Posts
August 12 2011 11:51 GMT
#1632
THEBEST BANSHEE TIME!
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
August 12 2011 11:51 GMT
#1633
Gogo thebest!
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
August 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#1634
On August 12 2011 20:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 20:45 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:42 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:39 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:33 ktgster wrote:
Doesn't anyone find that the standard for TvP is doing a 1 base all in on every map that permits it is fundamentally wrong? You can claim it's perfectly holdable given perfect execution, but when players have the confidence to do it every single game, don't you think something is wrong?

my 2 cents

Yep, I agree that something is wrong~_~ I do think Ps should do more builds that counter it blindly, but I dont think they should HAVE to do that.

which means u also agree 1-1-1 is a problem


I don't think Jinro's original post that included telling people to jump in a lake was saying that 1-1-1 isn't a problem - he was saying that people who think it's literally impossible to hold off are lacking in intelligence, and I agree with that. Unfortunately, many people seem to have bandwagoned on it and turned it into a huge strawman, which is probably not what Jinro wanted

Even though it might not seem that way because the build makes me irate some times, I completely agree. It can be defended, its just very hard. I just so bored with that build that I want it to be solved or fixed or something (which is easier said than done without breaking something else).

I was telling people to jump in a lake because yesterday they whine about Thorzain not using his banshee to scout, and today they whine about the banshee dying to phoenixes because asd used it to scout.

There needs to be consistency, you cant go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE DIDNT SCOUT WITH BANSHEE" then next day go "OMG HE FAILED THE BUILD BECAUSE HE SCOUTED WITH BANSHEE".


I wasn't aware that people were saying that yesterday about Thorzain's game, but I agree that consistency is important so I can see why you're annoyed. What I gleaned from Thorzain's game though was that he just engaged pretty badly, didn't micro his Banshees well when the engagement began, didn't siege his tanks in time, and let his marines stray way too far from the one tank that he sieged in the back. Am I wrong in my interpretation?
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
August 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#1635
On August 12 2011 20:49 Logros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 20:47 s3183529 wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:41 s3183529 wrote:
http://twitter.com/OrangeMilkis/status/101841926554259456 IMMVP said: "There needs to be a rule where you get disqualified if you use 1/1/1"

Just quote myself so y'all can see. Those who think u're better than MVP are probably delusional.

How ironic when he did the exact same thing but off of 2 bases against MC.


Which he proceeded to expand after the contain? No one will care about 111 if the T just stays passive and expands, because the P will eventually mass up enough to break the contain. Unfortunately, the one-base 111 only aims to kill the P off ASAP. Let's not confuse the fundamental difference here.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
August 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#1636
On August 12 2011 20:51 KiNGxXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 20:49 Logros wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:47 s3183529 wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:41 s3183529 wrote:
http://twitter.com/OrangeMilkis/status/101841926554259456 IMMVP said: "There needs to be a rule where you get disqualified if you use 1/1/1"

Just quote myself so y'all can see. Those who think u're better than MVP are probably delusional.

How ironic when he did the exact same thing but off of 2 bases against MC.

What?

That was so not the same build...
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
August 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#1637
On August 12 2011 20:49 Logros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 20:47 s3183529 wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:41 s3183529 wrote:
http://twitter.com/OrangeMilkis/status/101841926554259456 IMMVP said: "There needs to be a rule where you get disqualified if you use 1/1/1"

Just quote myself so y'all can see. Those who think u're better than MVP are probably delusional.

How ironic when he did the exact same thing but off of 2 bases against MC.

It was the exact same thing only of 2 bases. Lolwut?
fixed_point
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany4891 Posts
August 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#1638
Smart choice
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
August 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#1639
On August 12 2011 20:51 Nastiness wrote:
Im losing everysingle ZvT when going roach after hellion blue flame, havnt really found a good way to handle the siegetank/thors

get burrow and tech to infestors to buy time for your broodlords.
leave roaches at your expansions or burrow your drones when bflame hellions come in
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
August 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#1640
2 port banshee inc -.-
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