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On August 12 2011 12:13 Lanif wrote:
Idra attacked with 60-70 supply lead.
But yow.. everything is fine :D
well, its not very hard to get a huge supplylead against a teching protss if you only go roaches... roaches are extremly supplyinefficient and costs very little considering its supply. and everybody knows this... If getting a 60supply lead should be enough to win you games then sure, not that isnt true.
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On August 12 2011 12:15 CEPEHDREI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 12:10 Neroin wrote:
I like the mental image of Tasteless and Artosis sitting in one of their apartments casting these games because they love it. Tasteless even sounds much more relaxed than at the Gom studio which makes this cast even more enjoyable (also Artosis nice as usual). ♥ have to agree and hes dropping even more knowledge than usual. And of course his voice is just sexy
I confess; I fap to Artosis's voice. Is that weird? Does it make me a freak? 
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WhiteRa such a boss. (￣ー￣)
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On August 12 2011 12:15 Dexington wrote:
So, good idea here, let's talk about Strelok vs White Ra and not Idra. Who gives a damn? Mana is just better right now.
Nah bro, forum geniuses are busy solving ZvP imbalance for the 10000th time in a live report thread. Let them work.
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On August 12 2011 12:15 FighterHayabusa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 12:13 Condor Hero wrote:On August 12 2011 12:10 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 12 2011 12:08 doffe wrote:On August 12 2011 12:04 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 12 2011 11:59 Heavenly wrote:On August 12 2011 11:56 Ultramus wrote:
Even though I'm fully aware these games are trash and there are way better ways to play ZvP, I still think it's pretty silly how roaches cost the same 2 food blink stalkers do when one is infinitely more effective. I think it's pretty silly how roaches cost half of what a stalker does, scales better with upgrades, and in medium-small numbers can easily win engagements. And how the race capable of getting more income much faster has such a powerful early game unit they can mass. Now you expect that unit to also be as powerful in the late-game by massing that unit solely? the reason a stalker ball wins is because of superior range in large army confrontations, not because they're better units without blink. The early game econ advantage Zerg can gain is nullified by two things for Toss: 1. Most are melee units so a wall will stop them; and, 2. Force fields will keep roaches at bay. The biggest issue for Zerg is one of cost efficacy. The problem is that this is fine in the early to mid game, but you cannot continue that economic lead into the late game. At some point you have to stop making drones or you won't have an army. That is what you saw in these games. As the game goes longer the ability to wage a battle where your units aren't cost effective declines as your opponent approaches your income. you are absolutely correct, a roach/hydra comp is not cost effective against toss endgame even with corruptors to handle collosi. If your gonna do this you need to keep the collosicount down alot while maintaining a supplylead. This is not something as a zergplayer you will win a majority of the games using. There is though the unit called the infestor that has proven to add cost effectivity to the zerg even in ZvP. Claiming that the zerg as a race have a hard time being costeffective is wrong, that comp is the problem and something most zergs stopped using a long time ago in lategame. Broodlords can aswell be probably the most costeffective unit in the game... why not use it? BLs are terrible vs Blink stalkers.... LOOOOOOOL god damn bronze league... zergs gonna have more than just brood lords. brood lords with just pure lings are amazing. LOLz someone who thinks they know what they are talking about. BL + Ling would get stomped by that comp, but keep thinking that.
cant argue with idiots anymore
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Amazing game by White-Ra, really outclassing Strelok there.
Wish everyone would shut up about Idra and pay attention to these wonderful White-Ra games casted by Tastosis.
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Smart move by whitera to break through his back rocks and expand to the upper left. Strelok thought he had a lead with his contain (which he kinda did initially) but he waited so long to expand himself. Then his army got caught out of position. Then whitera finished it.
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United States15275 Posts
Come on Strelok, make this a series!
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On August 12 2011 12:17 Pervect wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 12:15 Dexington wrote:
So, good idea here, let's talk about Strelok vs White Ra and not Idra. Who gives a damn? Mana is just better right now. Nah bro, forum geniuses are busy solving ZvP imbalance for the 10000th time in a live report thread. Let them work.
You realise your first 3 posts in this thread were something along the lines of "protoss OP"
Could it be the day of 0-2 comebacks :p as much as i want White-Ra to win it would be pretty epic to watch Strelok come back from this.
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On August 12 2011 12:17 Hollis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 12:15 CEPEHDREI wrote:On August 12 2011 12:10 Neroin wrote:
I like the mental image of Tasteless and Artosis sitting in one of their apartments casting these games because they love it. Tasteless even sounds much more relaxed than at the Gom studio which makes this cast even more enjoyable (also Artosis nice as usual). ♥ have to agree and hes dropping even more knowledge than usual. And of course his voice is just sexy I confess; I fap to Artosis's voice. Is that weird? Does it make me a freak?
What the hell is wrong with you? YES, you are total freak.
+ Show Spoiler +You must fap to Tasteless's voice.
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On August 12 2011 12:15 FighterHayabusa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 12:13 Condor Hero wrote:On August 12 2011 12:10 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 12 2011 12:08 doffe wrote:On August 12 2011 12:04 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 12 2011 11:59 Heavenly wrote:On August 12 2011 11:56 Ultramus wrote:
Even though I'm fully aware these games are trash and there are way better ways to play ZvP, I still think it's pretty silly how roaches cost the same 2 food blink stalkers do when one is infinitely more effective. I think it's pretty silly how roaches cost half of what a stalker does, scales better with upgrades, and in medium-small numbers can easily win engagements. And how the race capable of getting more income much faster has such a powerful early game unit they can mass. Now you expect that unit to also be as powerful in the late-game by massing that unit solely? the reason a stalker ball wins is because of superior range in large army confrontations, not because they're better units without blink. The early game econ advantage Zerg can gain is nullified by two things for Toss: 1. Most are melee units so a wall will stop them; and, 2. Force fields will keep roaches at bay. The biggest issue for Zerg is one of cost efficacy. The problem is that this is fine in the early to mid game, but you cannot continue that economic lead into the late game. At some point you have to stop making drones or you won't have an army. That is what you saw in these games. As the game goes longer the ability to wage a battle where your units aren't cost effective declines as your opponent approaches your income. you are absolutely correct, a roach/hydra comp is not cost effective against toss endgame even with corruptors to handle collosi. If your gonna do this you need to keep the collosicount down alot while maintaining a supplylead. This is not something as a zergplayer you will win a majority of the games using. There is though the unit called the infestor that has proven to add cost effectivity to the zerg even in ZvP. Claiming that the zerg as a race have a hard time being costeffective is wrong, that comp is the problem and something most zergs stopped using a long time ago in lategame. Broodlords can aswell be probably the most costeffective unit in the game... why not use it? BLs are terrible vs Blink stalkers.... LOOOOOOOL god damn bronze league... zergs gonna have more than just brood lords. brood lords with just pure lings are amazing. LOLz someone who thinks they know what they are talking about. BL + Ling would get stomped by that comp, but keep thinking that.
Infestor. and blingdrops with some additional unit to buffer can crush that comp, something that many people have shown in the past. and roach/BL/infestor can aswell be extremly effective... are you really trying to say that roach/corruptor is the best way to handle it or what?
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On August 12 2011 12:19 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 12:17 Pervect wrote:On August 12 2011 12:15 Dexington wrote:
So, good idea here, let's talk about Strelok vs White Ra and not Idra. Who gives a damn? Mana is just better right now. Nah bro, forum geniuses are busy solving ZvP imbalance for the 10000th time in a live report thread. Let them work. You realise your first 3 posts in this thread were something along the lines of "protoss OP" Could it be the day of 0-2 comebacks :p as much as i want White-Ra to win it would be pretty epic to watch Strelok come back from this.
I've been trolling for like my last 10 posts, the mods are just slow to ban me today. If you have the report button above my posts, I suggest you smash it.
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On August 12 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 12:00 FighterHayabusa wrote:
No Zerg's are rolling over a Toss that turtles properly on 3 base. Sorry, but that just isn't true. The DPS out of the Colossus is just too much when there more than just a couple. Add to that the ability to outrange everything, and then hold them there with force fields means there isn't much that you can do. The corrupter is a pathetic unit(even dustin browder has admitted this), but you need them to kill the colossus(arguably they are bad at that too with their short range). So you end up with supply that you can't use.
Mixing in Hydras would not have changed that, at a certain point they'll have enough blink stalkers to rotate them well enough so that they are much more cost effective. lolz. I know right, look at all that PvZ dominance in the GSL, and the two best foreigner protoss that were outside of Korea losing to mediocre zergs in Code A ro32.
While i dont think its unbeatable by any means, no player in code A is "mediocre" least of all check
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Poll: Recommend Strelok vs. WhiteRa Game 2?Yes (12) 92% If you have time (1) 8% No (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: Recommend Strelok vs. WhiteRa Game 2? (Vote): Yes
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(Vote): If you have time
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On August 12 2011 12:19 doffe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 12:15 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 12 2011 12:13 Condor Hero wrote:On August 12 2011 12:10 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 12 2011 12:08 doffe wrote:On August 12 2011 12:04 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 12 2011 11:59 Heavenly wrote:On August 12 2011 11:56 Ultramus wrote:
Even though I'm fully aware these games are trash and there are way better ways to play ZvP, I still think it's pretty silly how roaches cost the same 2 food blink stalkers do when one is infinitely more effective. I think it's pretty silly how roaches cost half of what a stalker does, scales better with upgrades, and in medium-small numbers can easily win engagements. And how the race capable of getting more income much faster has such a powerful early game unit they can mass. Now you expect that unit to also be as powerful in the late-game by massing that unit solely? the reason a stalker ball wins is because of superior range in large army confrontations, not because they're better units without blink. The early game econ advantage Zerg can gain is nullified by two things for Toss: 1. Most are melee units so a wall will stop them; and, 2. Force fields will keep roaches at bay. The biggest issue for Zerg is one of cost efficacy. The problem is that this is fine in the early to mid game, but you cannot continue that economic lead into the late game. At some point you have to stop making drones or you won't have an army. That is what you saw in these games. As the game goes longer the ability to wage a battle where your units aren't cost effective declines as your opponent approaches your income. you are absolutely correct, a roach/hydra comp is not cost effective against toss endgame even with corruptors to handle collosi. If your gonna do this you need to keep the collosicount down alot while maintaining a supplylead. This is not something as a zergplayer you will win a majority of the games using. There is though the unit called the infestor that has proven to add cost effectivity to the zerg even in ZvP. Claiming that the zerg as a race have a hard time being costeffective is wrong, that comp is the problem and something most zergs stopped using a long time ago in lategame. Broodlords can aswell be probably the most costeffective unit in the game... why not use it? BLs are terrible vs Blink stalkers.... LOOOOOOOL god damn bronze league... zergs gonna have more than just brood lords. brood lords with just pure lings are amazing. LOLz someone who thinks they know what they are talking about. BL + Ling would get stomped by that comp, but keep thinking that. Infestor. and blingdrops with some additional unit to buffer can crush that comp, something that many people have shown in the past. and roach/BL/infestor can aswell be extremly effective... are you really trying to say that roach/corruptor is the best way to handle it or what?
Morrow does the infestor/blingdrop very well. God, he took like 5 games of Huk a few days ago on Huks stream. I think the final score was like 5-1.
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On August 12 2011 12:00 dsousa wrote:
Anyone else notice that Totalbiscuit said after Game 3 that he thought Idra was probably on tilt?
This is cast from Replays right? So obviously, and I thought this at the time, TB had some insider information there.
Could be wrong, but I thought the comment was odd by TB when he said it... and now its a bit suspicious since Idra obviously was very tilted in the 4th and 5th games.
IdrA often tilts. It wasn't that impressive of a prediction.
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On August 12 2011 12:17 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 12:15 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 12 2011 12:13 Condor Hero wrote:On August 12 2011 12:10 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 12 2011 12:08 doffe wrote:On August 12 2011 12:04 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 12 2011 11:59 Heavenly wrote:On August 12 2011 11:56 Ultramus wrote:
Even though I'm fully aware these games are trash and there are way better ways to play ZvP, I still think it's pretty silly how roaches cost the same 2 food blink stalkers do when one is infinitely more effective. I think it's pretty silly how roaches cost half of what a stalker does, scales better with upgrades, and in medium-small numbers can easily win engagements. And how the race capable of getting more income much faster has such a powerful early game unit they can mass. Now you expect that unit to also be as powerful in the late-game by massing that unit solely? the reason a stalker ball wins is because of superior range in large army confrontations, not because they're better units without blink. The early game econ advantage Zerg can gain is nullified by two things for Toss: 1. Most are melee units so a wall will stop them; and, 2. Force fields will keep roaches at bay. The biggest issue for Zerg is one of cost efficacy. The problem is that this is fine in the early to mid game, but you cannot continue that economic lead into the late game. At some point you have to stop making drones or you won't have an army. That is what you saw in these games. As the game goes longer the ability to wage a battle where your units aren't cost effective declines as your opponent approaches your income. you are absolutely correct, a roach/hydra comp is not cost effective against toss endgame even with corruptors to handle collosi. If your gonna do this you need to keep the collosicount down alot while maintaining a supplylead. This is not something as a zergplayer you will win a majority of the games using. There is though the unit called the infestor that has proven to add cost effectivity to the zerg even in ZvP. Claiming that the zerg as a race have a hard time being costeffective is wrong, that comp is the problem and something most zergs stopped using a long time ago in lategame. Broodlords can aswell be probably the most costeffective unit in the game... why not use it? BLs are terrible vs Blink stalkers.... LOOOOOOOL god damn bronze league... zergs gonna have more than just brood lords. brood lords with just pure lings are amazing. LOLz someone who thinks they know what they are talking about. BL + Ling would get stomped by that comp, but keep thinking that. cant argue with idiots anymore
So you resort to insults? Stay classy.
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