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doffe
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden636 Posts
August 12 2011 03:17 GMT
#581
On August 12 2011 12:13 Lanif wrote:
Idra attacked with 60-70 supply lead.
But yow.. everything is fine :D


well, its not very hard to get a huge supplylead against a teching protss if you only go roaches... roaches are extremly supplyinefficient and costs very little considering its supply. and everybody knows this... If getting a 60supply lead should be enough to win you games then sure, not that isnt true.
Hollis
Profile Joined January 2011
United States505 Posts
August 12 2011 03:17 GMT
#582
On August 12 2011 12:15 CEPEHDREI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 12:10 Neroin wrote:
I like the mental image of Tasteless and Artosis sitting in one of their apartments casting these games because they love it. Tasteless even sounds much more relaxed than at the Gom studio which makes this cast even more enjoyable (also Artosis nice as usual). ♥


have to agree and hes dropping even more knowledge than usual. And of course his voice is just sexy


I confess; I fap to Artosis's voice. Is that weird? Does it make me a freak?
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
August 12 2011 03:17 GMT
#583
WhiteRa such a boss. ( ̄ー ̄)
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
Pervect
Profile Joined June 2007
1280 Posts
August 12 2011 03:17 GMT
#584
On August 12 2011 12:15 Dexington wrote:
So, good idea here, let's talk about Strelok vs White Ra and not Idra. Who gives a damn? Mana is just better right now.


Nah bro, forum geniuses are busy solving ZvP imbalance for the 10000th time in a live report thread. Let them work.
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
August 12 2011 03:17 GMT
#585
On August 12 2011 12:15 FighterHayabusa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 12:13 Condor Hero wrote:
On August 12 2011 12:10 FighterHayabusa wrote:
On August 12 2011 12:08 doffe wrote:
On August 12 2011 12:04 FighterHayabusa wrote:
On August 12 2011 11:59 Heavenly wrote:
On August 12 2011 11:56 Ultramus wrote:
Even though I'm fully aware these games are trash and there are way better ways to play ZvP, I still think it's pretty silly how roaches cost the same 2 food blink stalkers do when one is infinitely more effective.


I think it's pretty silly how roaches cost half of what a stalker does, scales better with upgrades, and in medium-small numbers can easily win engagements. And how the race capable of getting more income much faster has such a powerful early game unit they can mass. Now you expect that unit to also be as powerful in the late-game by massing that unit solely? the reason a stalker ball wins is because of superior range in large army confrontations, not because they're better units without blink.

The early game econ advantage Zerg can gain is nullified by two things for Toss:

1. Most are melee units so a wall will stop them; and,
2. Force fields will keep roaches at bay.

The biggest issue for Zerg is one of cost efficacy. The problem is that this is fine in the early to mid game, but you cannot continue that economic lead into the late game. At some point you have to stop making drones or you won't have an army. That is what you saw in these games. As the game goes longer the ability to wage a battle where your units aren't cost effective declines as your opponent approaches your income.



you are absolutely correct, a roach/hydra comp is not cost effective against toss endgame even with corruptors to handle collosi. If your gonna do this you need to keep the collosicount down alot while maintaining a supplylead. This is not something as a zergplayer you will win a majority of the games using. There is though the unit called the infestor that has proven to add cost effectivity to the zerg even in ZvP. Claiming that the zerg as a race have a hard time being costeffective is wrong, that comp is the problem and something most zergs stopped using a long time ago in lategame.

Broodlords can aswell be probably the most costeffective unit in the game... why not use it?

BLs are terrible vs Blink stalkers....


LOOOOOOOL
god damn bronze league...

zergs gonna have more than just brood lords.
brood lords with just pure lings are amazing.

LOLz someone who thinks they know what they are talking about.

BL + Ling would get stomped by that comp, but keep thinking that.

cant argue with idiots anymore

User was warned for this post
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
August 12 2011 03:18 GMT
#586
Amazing game by White-Ra, really outclassing Strelok there.

Wish everyone would shut up about Idra and pay attention to these wonderful White-Ra games casted by Tastosis.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
rakoth
Profile Joined August 2011
Greece55 Posts
August 12 2011 03:18 GMT
#587
Nice play by Ra :D
haka
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1414 Posts
August 12 2011 03:18 GMT
#588
Smart move by whitera to break through his back rocks and expand to the upper left. Strelok thought he had a lead with his contain (which he kinda did initially) but he waited so long to expand himself. Then his army got caught out of position. Then whitera finished it.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
August 12 2011 03:18 GMT
#589
Come on Strelok, make this a series!
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
August 12 2011 03:19 GMT
#590
On August 12 2011 12:17 Pervect wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 12:15 Dexington wrote:
So, good idea here, let's talk about Strelok vs White Ra and not Idra. Who gives a damn? Mana is just better right now.


Nah bro, forum geniuses are busy solving ZvP imbalance for the 10000th time in a live report thread. Let them work.

You realise your first 3 posts in this thread were something along the lines of "protoss OP"

Could it be the day of 0-2 comebacks :p as much as i want White-Ra to win it would be pretty epic to watch Strelok come back from this.
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
jarrydesque
Profile Joined November 2010
584 Posts
August 12 2011 03:19 GMT
#591
On August 12 2011 12:17 Hollis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 12:15 CEPEHDREI wrote:
On August 12 2011 12:10 Neroin wrote:
I like the mental image of Tasteless and Artosis sitting in one of their apartments casting these games because they love it. Tasteless even sounds much more relaxed than at the Gom studio which makes this cast even more enjoyable (also Artosis nice as usual). ♥


have to agree and hes dropping even more knowledge than usual. And of course his voice is just sexy


I confess; I fap to Artosis's voice. Is that weird? Does it make me a freak?


What the hell is wrong with you? YES, you are total freak.

+ Show Spoiler +
You must fap to Tasteless's voice.
#1 Kennigit fanboy/stalker
doffe
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden636 Posts
August 12 2011 03:19 GMT
#592
On August 12 2011 12:15 FighterHayabusa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 12:13 Condor Hero wrote:
On August 12 2011 12:10 FighterHayabusa wrote:
On August 12 2011 12:08 doffe wrote:
On August 12 2011 12:04 FighterHayabusa wrote:
On August 12 2011 11:59 Heavenly wrote:
On August 12 2011 11:56 Ultramus wrote:
Even though I'm fully aware these games are trash and there are way better ways to play ZvP, I still think it's pretty silly how roaches cost the same 2 food blink stalkers do when one is infinitely more effective.


I think it's pretty silly how roaches cost half of what a stalker does, scales better with upgrades, and in medium-small numbers can easily win engagements. And how the race capable of getting more income much faster has such a powerful early game unit they can mass. Now you expect that unit to also be as powerful in the late-game by massing that unit solely? the reason a stalker ball wins is because of superior range in large army confrontations, not because they're better units without blink.

The early game econ advantage Zerg can gain is nullified by two things for Toss:

1. Most are melee units so a wall will stop them; and,
2. Force fields will keep roaches at bay.

The biggest issue for Zerg is one of cost efficacy. The problem is that this is fine in the early to mid game, but you cannot continue that economic lead into the late game. At some point you have to stop making drones or you won't have an army. That is what you saw in these games. As the game goes longer the ability to wage a battle where your units aren't cost effective declines as your opponent approaches your income.



you are absolutely correct, a roach/hydra comp is not cost effective against toss endgame even with corruptors to handle collosi. If your gonna do this you need to keep the collosicount down alot while maintaining a supplylead. This is not something as a zergplayer you will win a majority of the games using. There is though the unit called the infestor that has proven to add cost effectivity to the zerg even in ZvP. Claiming that the zerg as a race have a hard time being costeffective is wrong, that comp is the problem and something most zergs stopped using a long time ago in lategame.

Broodlords can aswell be probably the most costeffective unit in the game... why not use it?

BLs are terrible vs Blink stalkers....


LOOOOOOOL
god damn bronze league...

zergs gonna have more than just brood lords.
brood lords with just pure lings are amazing.

LOLz someone who thinks they know what they are talking about.

BL + Ling would get stomped by that comp, but keep thinking that.


Infestor. and blingdrops with some additional unit to buffer can crush that comp, something that many people have shown in the past. and roach/BL/infestor can aswell be extremly effective... are you really trying to say that roach/corruptor is the best way to handle it or what?
Pervect
Profile Joined June 2007
1280 Posts
August 12 2011 03:19 GMT
#593
On August 12 2011 12:19 bkrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 12:17 Pervect wrote:
On August 12 2011 12:15 Dexington wrote:
So, good idea here, let's talk about Strelok vs White Ra and not Idra. Who gives a damn? Mana is just better right now.


Nah bro, forum geniuses are busy solving ZvP imbalance for the 10000th time in a live report thread. Let them work.

You realise your first 3 posts in this thread were something along the lines of "protoss OP"

Could it be the day of 0-2 comebacks :p as much as i want White-Ra to win it would be pretty epic to watch Strelok come back from this.


I've been trolling for like my last 10 posts, the mods are just slow to ban me today. If you have the report button above my posts, I suggest you smash it.

User was temp banned for this post.
Makura
Profile Joined December 2010
United States317 Posts
August 12 2011 03:20 GMT
#594
On August 12 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 12:00 FighterHayabusa wrote:
No Zerg's are rolling over a Toss that turtles properly on 3 base. Sorry, but that just isn't true. The DPS out of the Colossus is just too much when there more than just a couple. Add to that the ability to outrange everything, and then hold them there with force fields means there isn't much that you can do. The corrupter is a pathetic unit(even dustin browder has admitted this), but you need them to kill the colossus(arguably they are bad at that too with their short range). So you end up with supply that you can't use.

Mixing in Hydras would not have changed that, at a certain point they'll have enough blink stalkers to rotate them well enough so that they are much more cost effective.


lolz. I know right, look at all that PvZ dominance in the GSL, and the two best foreigner protoss that were outside of Korea losing to mediocre zergs in Code A ro32.


While i dont think its unbeatable by any means, no player in code A is "mediocre" least of all check
SHOW THEM WHAT THE CATFISH COMBO IS ALL ABOUT!
Joshy.IGN
Profile Joined May 2011
United States530 Posts
August 12 2011 03:20 GMT
#595
Poll: Recommend Strelok vs. WhiteRa Game 2?

Yes (12)
 
92%

If you have time (1)
 
8%

No (0)
 
0%

13 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Strelok vs. WhiteRa Game 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

IGN eSports Community Marketing Manager || http://www.ign.com/ipl
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
August 12 2011 03:21 GMT
#596
On August 12 2011 12:19 doffe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 12:15 FighterHayabusa wrote:
On August 12 2011 12:13 Condor Hero wrote:
On August 12 2011 12:10 FighterHayabusa wrote:
On August 12 2011 12:08 doffe wrote:
On August 12 2011 12:04 FighterHayabusa wrote:
On August 12 2011 11:59 Heavenly wrote:
On August 12 2011 11:56 Ultramus wrote:
Even though I'm fully aware these games are trash and there are way better ways to play ZvP, I still think it's pretty silly how roaches cost the same 2 food blink stalkers do when one is infinitely more effective.


I think it's pretty silly how roaches cost half of what a stalker does, scales better with upgrades, and in medium-small numbers can easily win engagements. And how the race capable of getting more income much faster has such a powerful early game unit they can mass. Now you expect that unit to also be as powerful in the late-game by massing that unit solely? the reason a stalker ball wins is because of superior range in large army confrontations, not because they're better units without blink.

The early game econ advantage Zerg can gain is nullified by two things for Toss:

1. Most are melee units so a wall will stop them; and,
2. Force fields will keep roaches at bay.

The biggest issue for Zerg is one of cost efficacy. The problem is that this is fine in the early to mid game, but you cannot continue that economic lead into the late game. At some point you have to stop making drones or you won't have an army. That is what you saw in these games. As the game goes longer the ability to wage a battle where your units aren't cost effective declines as your opponent approaches your income.



you are absolutely correct, a roach/hydra comp is not cost effective against toss endgame even with corruptors to handle collosi. If your gonna do this you need to keep the collosicount down alot while maintaining a supplylead. This is not something as a zergplayer you will win a majority of the games using. There is though the unit called the infestor that has proven to add cost effectivity to the zerg even in ZvP. Claiming that the zerg as a race have a hard time being costeffective is wrong, that comp is the problem and something most zergs stopped using a long time ago in lategame.

Broodlords can aswell be probably the most costeffective unit in the game... why not use it?

BLs are terrible vs Blink stalkers....


LOOOOOOOL
god damn bronze league...

zergs gonna have more than just brood lords.
brood lords with just pure lings are amazing.

LOLz someone who thinks they know what they are talking about.

BL + Ling would get stomped by that comp, but keep thinking that.


Infestor. and blingdrops with some additional unit to buffer can crush that comp, something that many people have shown in the past. and roach/BL/infestor can aswell be extremly effective... are you really trying to say that roach/corruptor is the best way to handle it or what?


Morrow does the infestor/blingdrop very well. God, he took like 5 games of Huk a few days ago on Huks stream. I think the final score was like 5-1.


I've got moves like Jagger
Datum
Profile Joined February 2011
United States371 Posts
August 12 2011 03:22 GMT
#597
On August 12 2011 12:00 dsousa wrote:
Anyone else notice that Totalbiscuit said after Game 3 that he thought Idra was probably on tilt?

This is cast from Replays right? So obviously, and I thought this at the time, TB had some insider information there.

Could be wrong, but I thought the comment was odd by TB when he said it... and now its a bit suspicious since Idra obviously was very tilted in the 4th and 5th games.


IdrA often tilts. It wasn't that impressive of a prediction.
FighterHayabusa
Profile Joined December 2010
United States90 Posts
August 12 2011 03:23 GMT
#598
On August 12 2011 12:17 Condor Hero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 12:15 FighterHayabusa wrote:
On August 12 2011 12:13 Condor Hero wrote:
On August 12 2011 12:10 FighterHayabusa wrote:
On August 12 2011 12:08 doffe wrote:
On August 12 2011 12:04 FighterHayabusa wrote:
On August 12 2011 11:59 Heavenly wrote:
On August 12 2011 11:56 Ultramus wrote:
Even though I'm fully aware these games are trash and there are way better ways to play ZvP, I still think it's pretty silly how roaches cost the same 2 food blink stalkers do when one is infinitely more effective.


I think it's pretty silly how roaches cost half of what a stalker does, scales better with upgrades, and in medium-small numbers can easily win engagements. And how the race capable of getting more income much faster has such a powerful early game unit they can mass. Now you expect that unit to also be as powerful in the late-game by massing that unit solely? the reason a stalker ball wins is because of superior range in large army confrontations, not because they're better units without blink.

The early game econ advantage Zerg can gain is nullified by two things for Toss:

1. Most are melee units so a wall will stop them; and,
2. Force fields will keep roaches at bay.

The biggest issue for Zerg is one of cost efficacy. The problem is that this is fine in the early to mid game, but you cannot continue that economic lead into the late game. At some point you have to stop making drones or you won't have an army. That is what you saw in these games. As the game goes longer the ability to wage a battle where your units aren't cost effective declines as your opponent approaches your income.



you are absolutely correct, a roach/hydra comp is not cost effective against toss endgame even with corruptors to handle collosi. If your gonna do this you need to keep the collosicount down alot while maintaining a supplylead. This is not something as a zergplayer you will win a majority of the games using. There is though the unit called the infestor that has proven to add cost effectivity to the zerg even in ZvP. Claiming that the zerg as a race have a hard time being costeffective is wrong, that comp is the problem and something most zergs stopped using a long time ago in lategame.

Broodlords can aswell be probably the most costeffective unit in the game... why not use it?

BLs are terrible vs Blink stalkers....


LOOOOOOOL
god damn bronze league...

zergs gonna have more than just brood lords.
brood lords with just pure lings are amazing.

LOLz someone who thinks they know what they are talking about.

BL + Ling would get stomped by that comp, but keep thinking that.

cant argue with idiots anymore

So you resort to insults? Stay classy.
You must have to have it
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
August 12 2011 03:25 GMT
#599
PAPAtoss delivering some speshal tatiks

I've got moves like Jagger
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
August 12 2011 03:25 GMT
#600
WhiteRa sweeps! :O
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
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