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Wow, I really didn't expect a 3-0.
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...-.- White-Ra, why are you so awesome? YESS!!
White-Ra FIGHTING!
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WhiteRa is such a boss. He just dropped one single game in IPL2 so far against select. o_O
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So beastly by the Ra. Wowee.
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Shit I would love it if White-Ra won this whole thing. With everything he does for the community the first place prize money would be soooososooosososoooo well-deserved.
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That's the WhiteRa I know!
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White-ra just too good. White-ra vs MaNa in winners finals?
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So we have all 3 mirror matches now: Winners final PvP, Loosers Semis TvT and ZvZ.
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On August 12 2011 12:27 Rykros wrote:
Nerchio Fighting !!!
Nerchio hwaiting!!
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On August 12 2011 12:23 FighterHayabusa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 12:17 Condor Hero wrote:On August 12 2011 12:15 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 12 2011 12:13 Condor Hero wrote:On August 12 2011 12:10 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 12 2011 12:08 doffe wrote:On August 12 2011 12:04 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 12 2011 11:59 Heavenly wrote:On August 12 2011 11:56 Ultramus wrote:
Even though I'm fully aware these games are trash and there are way better ways to play ZvP, I still think it's pretty silly how roaches cost the same 2 food blink stalkers do when one is infinitely more effective. I think it's pretty silly how roaches cost half of what a stalker does, scales better with upgrades, and in medium-small numbers can easily win engagements. And how the race capable of getting more income much faster has such a powerful early game unit they can mass. Now you expect that unit to also be as powerful in the late-game by massing that unit solely? the reason a stalker ball wins is because of superior range in large army confrontations, not because they're better units without blink. The early game econ advantage Zerg can gain is nullified by two things for Toss: 1. Most are melee units so a wall will stop them; and, 2. Force fields will keep roaches at bay. The biggest issue for Zerg is one of cost efficacy. The problem is that this is fine in the early to mid game, but you cannot continue that economic lead into the late game. At some point you have to stop making drones or you won't have an army. That is what you saw in these games. As the game goes longer the ability to wage a battle where your units aren't cost effective declines as your opponent approaches your income. you are absolutely correct, a roach/hydra comp is not cost effective against toss endgame even with corruptors to handle collosi. If your gonna do this you need to keep the collosicount down alot while maintaining a supplylead. This is not something as a zergplayer you will win a majority of the games using. There is though the unit called the infestor that has proven to add cost effectivity to the zerg even in ZvP. Claiming that the zerg as a race have a hard time being costeffective is wrong, that comp is the problem and something most zergs stopped using a long time ago in lategame. Broodlords can aswell be probably the most costeffective unit in the game... why not use it? BLs are terrible vs Blink stalkers.... LOOOOOOOL god damn bronze league... zergs gonna have more than just brood lords. brood lords with just pure lings are amazing. LOLz someone who thinks they know what they are talking about. BL + Ling would get stomped by that comp, but keep thinking that. cant argue with idiots anymore So you resort to insults? Stay classy.
Well, hes not really wrong, when you use a comment like "BLs are terriblt against blinkstalkers" you are begging for comments like that. its like saying mutas are terrible against marines.... well yes, thats why you dont use but one unit. The fact remains that the Issue of cost effectivity lies in Idras comp not the races possibilities...
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Strelok plays in such a weird fashion - it was tough to see him taken out so easily by White-Ra, but it was deserved.
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The Beast from the East
White-Ra fighting!
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United States530 Posts
Poll: Recommend Strelok vs. WhiteRa Game 3?If you have time (5) 50% No (3) 30% Yes (2) 20% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Strelok vs. WhiteRa Game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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United States97277 Posts
These winners bracket finals are the complete opposite of GSL this season. Amazing how much of a difference 2 months make in game play
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On August 12 2011 12:27 doffe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 12:23 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 12 2011 12:17 Condor Hero wrote:On August 12 2011 12:15 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 12 2011 12:13 Condor Hero wrote:On August 12 2011 12:10 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 12 2011 12:08 doffe wrote:On August 12 2011 12:04 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 12 2011 11:59 Heavenly wrote:On August 12 2011 11:56 Ultramus wrote:
Even though I'm fully aware these games are trash and there are way better ways to play ZvP, I still think it's pretty silly how roaches cost the same 2 food blink stalkers do when one is infinitely more effective. I think it's pretty silly how roaches cost half of what a stalker does, scales better with upgrades, and in medium-small numbers can easily win engagements. And how the race capable of getting more income much faster has such a powerful early game unit they can mass. Now you expect that unit to also be as powerful in the late-game by massing that unit solely? the reason a stalker ball wins is because of superior range in large army confrontations, not because they're better units without blink. The early game econ advantage Zerg can gain is nullified by two things for Toss: 1. Most are melee units so a wall will stop them; and, 2. Force fields will keep roaches at bay. The biggest issue for Zerg is one of cost efficacy. The problem is that this is fine in the early to mid game, but you cannot continue that economic lead into the late game. At some point you have to stop making drones or you won't have an army. That is what you saw in these games. As the game goes longer the ability to wage a battle where your units aren't cost effective declines as your opponent approaches your income. you are absolutely correct, a roach/hydra comp is not cost effective against toss endgame even with corruptors to handle collosi. If your gonna do this you need to keep the collosicount down alot while maintaining a supplylead. This is not something as a zergplayer you will win a majority of the games using. There is though the unit called the infestor that has proven to add cost effectivity to the zerg even in ZvP. Claiming that the zerg as a race have a hard time being costeffective is wrong, that comp is the problem and something most zergs stopped using a long time ago in lategame. Broodlords can aswell be probably the most costeffective unit in the game... why not use it? BLs are terrible vs Blink stalkers.... LOOOOOOOL god damn bronze league... zergs gonna have more than just brood lords. brood lords with just pure lings are amazing. LOLz someone who thinks they know what they are talking about. BL + Ling would get stomped by that comp, but keep thinking that. cant argue with idiots anymore So you resort to insults? Stay classy. Well, hes not really wrong, when you use a comment like "BLs are terriblt against blinkstalkers" you are begging for comments like that. its like saying mutas are terrible against marines.... well yes, thats why you dont use but one unit. The fact remains that the Issue of cost effectivity lies in Idras comp not the races possibilities...
He said BL plus pure Ling, which is terrible vs that comp. Lings get stopped by FF and 1 shot by that many Colossi, and then the stalkers can just Blink under the BLs.
BL+Infestor would be better, but again depends more on their mistakes than your skill.
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On August 12 2011 12:00 dsousa wrote:
Anyone else notice that Totalbiscuit said after Game 3 that he thought Idra was probably on tilt?
This is cast from Replays right? So obviously, and I thought this at the time, TB had some insider information there.
Could be wrong, but I thought the comment was odd by TB when he said it... and now its a bit suspicious since Idra obviously was very tilted in the 4th and 5th games.
The replays dont tell about who won the game (the computer player always wins).
Maybe it was the number of replays (dont know if IPL sends some dummy replays to casters)
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Watching that final Idra-Mana game was like stepping into a time machine to a few months ago. Zerg is massing roach/corruptor against Protoss death balls and getting stomped, and Idra is flipping about colossus OP. It's like someone hit him on the head with a shovel and he forgot that infestors and hive tech turn games and he can actually do something about a maxed P army besides rage quitting. The meta game has moved on. What is going on here?
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yeesh - nothing but mirror matches coming up next round...
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