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Obaten
United States730 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:59 Liquid`Jinro wrote: You can 10 gate and get an allin at 5:30 that is really gay t.T Yup, I do that crazy 4gate in 2v2s, it's pretty awesome. But I'm not sure how it holds up against the 111. | ||
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CortoMontez
Australia608 Posts
Charge increases zealot speed from 2.25>2.75 | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
4-gate --> slightly slower 4-gate. Sounds fine to me! [/sarcasm] | ||
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:57 Liquid`Jinro wrote: This is a really stupid suggestion as it would make banshees completely 100% useless. jinro surely as a terran practicing with OGS protoss you know of ways for protoss to hold the 1/1/1? It would be nice to get a pro perspective on it rather than the usual uninformed crying. What do you think about it? | ||
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:59 hippocritical wrote: 20 unstimmed marines backed by siege tanks and banshees are better than gateway as a rule of thumb, barring templar with storm or archons. Perhaps, but if you 1gate FE and have an overwhelming economy advantage, plus the fact that the siege tanks are actually a negative factor vs a charge zealot heavy army as they deal as much damage to themselves and marines as the zealots, I think my argument has legs. Yes they can't hit banshee, but a banshee in low numbers doesn't thin zealot numbers very much and a stalker warp in after the battle is usually enough to deal with the left over air. | ||
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Orpheusz
Australia210 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:00 L3g3nd_ wrote: falling back on to one base is not the answer. just mass zealot ^^ Mass Zealot doesn’t work if the terran just bunker pushes and sets up a choke. | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:59 Aquila- wrote: Lol so funny Protosses do 4 gate, 3 gate robo, 3 gate stargate, DT rush, warpprism stuff and other stupid allins all the time and now Terran refuses to die 1 time and counters all Protoss are like QQ... All what you said all-in from Protoss are holdable. This retarded build is unstoppable, see the different there huh mr. Genius? | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:01 Disquiet wrote: jinro surely as a terran practicing with OGS protoss you know of ways for protoss to hold the 1/1/1? It would be nice to get a pro perspective on it rather than the usual uninformed crying. What do you think about it? I personally would like to know if MC has come up with anything at all. =/ | ||
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kheldorin
Singapore539 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:56 Noocta wrote: I don't disagree with protoss saying this 1/1/1 thing is BS. But telling people that zerg didn't figure out anything and just got buffed is the reason that PvZ is what it is right now ( and using that to think that they should get buffed / terran nerfed ) is laughable. :/ So you don't mind if those Zerg buffs and Protoss nerfs are reverted in the next patch then? What's laughable is that you think those buffs and nerfs have no impact at all. | ||
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CortoMontez
Australia608 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:00 Obaten wrote: Yup, I do that crazy 4gate in 2v2s, it's pretty awesome. But I'm not sure how it holds up against the 111. The key difference between that 10 gate, and the 1-1-1 is that a 10 gate can be presumably held quite easily if scouted by using bunkers. Whereas currently not even a supposed blind counter (game 2) can hold the 1-1-1. | ||
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:59 Aquila- wrote: Lol so funny Protosses do 4 gate, 3 gate robo, 3 gate stargate, DT rush, warpprism stuff and other stupid allins all the time and now Terran refuses to die 1 time and counters and all Protoss are like QQ... You've clearly been paying attention lately. Protoss is doing really well, Terran needs some love. Either that or you're a complete troll who likely doesn't understand thing one about this game. | ||
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Pyre
United States1940 Posts
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:01 Orpheusz wrote: Mass Zealot doesn’t work if the terran just bunker pushes and sets up a choke. Indeed, that is probably the major issue with mass zealot, but otherwise it would crush the ground portion of the army. The issue with 1-1-1 is the amount of variables.... With or without cloak With or without raven With or without Stim (or Combat Shield) ...all of these can be stopped but require perfect scouting maybe because they require different responses. | ||
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eScaper-tsunami
Canada313 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:54 travis wrote: why would cloaked banshees (rare in 1/1/1 allins anyways) stop you from forcefielding the ramp over and over? why wouldn't you have enough to kill some banshees? Sentries eat up the gas for stalkers? Doesn't it? | ||
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Deltablazy
Canada580 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:03 Pyre wrote: Maybe slow zealot, phoenix, sentry, immortal would work? Just hope he doesn't have a ton of marines. And where are you going to get all that gas from? Or are you saying build just 1 of each gas required units? | ||
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Megiddosc
United States966 Posts
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Mike15xp
United States595 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:59 Aquila- wrote: Lol so funny Protosses do 4 gate, 3 gate robo, 3 gate stargate, DT rush, warpprism stuff and other stupid allins all the time and now Terran refuses to die 1 time and counters and all Protoss are like QQ... you have no idea what's going on do you? | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:03 bennyaus wrote: Indeed, that is probably the major issue with mass zealot, but otherwise it would crush the ground portion of the army. The issue with 1-1-1 is the amount of variables.... With or without cloak With or without raven With or without Stim (or Combat Shield) ...all of these can be stopped but require perfect scouting maybe because they require different responses. Pull or no pull SCVs If fail to kill the army directly, why not just do a MVP. Expand and make a sim city with bunkers and outmacro toss... | ||
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hippocritical
Australia465 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:01 bennyaus wrote: Perhaps, but if you 1gate FE and have an overwhelming economy advantage, plus the fact that the siege tanks are actually a negative factor vs a charge zealot heavy army as they deal as much damage to themselves and marines as the zealots, I think my argument has legs. Yes they can't hit banshee, but a banshee in low numbers doesn't thin zealot numbers very much and a stalker warp in after the battle is usually enough to deal with the left over air. That works some of the time I guess, depends how wide the entry point is for the charge zealots, if zealots go head first they'll probably suffer some horrendous casulties, the way Nada did his 1-1-1 was he just built 1-2 bunkers and they buffered brilliantly for the tanks and drew the charge. I think if the maps allowed a bit more distance between the bases it would be probably be easier to intercept, the problem really is the shocking amount of marines the terran is able to produce relative to zealots. You can either compromise building stalkers to get zealots, but it really leaves you with too little surface area if you do charge into a corridor or a choke. | ||
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Pyre
United States1940 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:04 Deltablazy wrote: And where are you going to get all that gas from? Or are you saying build just 1 of each gas required units? like 3 phoenix, 2 immoral, 2 sentry shouldn't be a ton of gas. Add more as time goes by. Completely ignore stalkers because they aren't great against any of the terran's unit comp. | ||
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