(As with last season, play on Monday will be two Code A sessions, while play on tuesday and wednesday will be during the early session with Code S in the normal timeslot.)
*N.B. the schedule of play is not entirely according to the bracket due to the international players arrival dates. Each quarter is lettered for easy reference, but check the bracket link if you're confused*
hahaha drg free win! not tooo bad for foreigners, if naniwa can get past check he could easily get right up to ganzi.. (are these in order of brackets?)!
Fruitdealer vs Maru Banbanssu vs Ganzi Sase vs Sniper (Don't know much about him... but the more non-Koreans in the GSL the better, I think) Check vs Naniwa
sC vs Extreme Tails vs Taeja DongRaeGu vs InCa (I like InCa... but I wanna see DRG in Code S) anypro vs JYP
Tassadar vs Fenix (I like Tassadar. >_< But I love Fenix's aggressive style. Plus he's a foreigner.) Yoda vs TheBest Boxer vs Leenock (I like Leenock... but come on. It's BOXER.) Dream vs Maka
Jinro vs Lucky Luvsic vs Jjakji YugiOh vs Thorzain MarineKing vs Hack
Edit: Also, interesting possible meetings in the ro8:
Ganzi vs Naniwa DRG vs sC Thorzain vs Jinro? (I believe in Jinro!)
On August 03 2011 21:23 Asha` wrote: Fruitdealer vs Maru Banbanssu vs Ganzi Sase vs Sniper Check vs Naniwa
sC vs Extreme Tails vs Taeja DongRaeGu vs InCa anypro vs JYP
Tassadar vs Fenix Yoda vs TheBest Boxer vs Leenock Dream vs Maka
Jinro vs Lucky Luvsic vs Jjakji YugiOh vs Thorzain MarineKing vs Hack
My bets =D
Btw: MKP actually has a difficult first round: Hack is pretty good. And Leenock's vT is his best MU, but either way Boxer or Leenock will drop to Code B and that makes me sad.
Awwww yeah! The emperor is back baby! You can bet he is going to practice like CRAZY to make it through the first round, and with a lot of confidence in his skills to boot thanks to Anaheim.
damn, out of all the foreigners I'm only expecting Fenix to have a truly hard time. Naniwa could lose though but check would have to play his best like we have seen him do from time to time. Overall I'd say that foreigners have a good shot getting past ro32.
On August 03 2011 21:27 SenorChang wrote: DRG vs InCa damn, two decent players - and one is going to code B
Code A be stacked! Nice seeing new foriegners in the GSL :D Can't wait, one of them has to go far!
No televised vZ wins and InCa is decent? Rofl. He is going down, I can see that.
He did beat Leenock...but yeah DRG is going to tear him apart.
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Gom posted the brackets on their korean site which does confirm that play is 8/8 and Nani + Sase are scheduled for it.
well wot is the point in inviting foreigners if your going to get them to play on the day they arrive or if they do get there before then then when they ahve only been there 1 -5 days and are jetlagged and not had much time to practice or prepare...
everybody saying poor leenock (i know he has had bad luck in his draws in the past) but really.. this code a season is so stacked pretty much any opponent is going to be tough.. this is just as much bad luck for boxer as it is for leenock
All things considered, this is probably the most ideal bracket possible. At the very least, there shouldn't be too many favorites dropping out in the first round. A lot of them won't necessarily make it to the Ro8/Up & Down matches, but we already knew that. I'm just relieved that, Boxer vs Leenock aside, nobody I'm rooting for *has* to drop out of code A.
On the other hand, this is the GSL and upsets happen. Be afraid. Well...not if you DRG. He might have gotten the luckiest draw in code A history.
On August 03 2011 21:27 SenorChang wrote: DRG vs InCa damn, two decent players - and one is going to code B
Code A be stacked! Nice seeing new foriegners in the GSL :D Can't wait, one of them has to go far!
No televised vZ wins and InCa is decent? Rofl. He is going down, I can see that.
He did beat Leenock...but yeah DRG is going to tear him apart.
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Gom posted the brackets on their korean site which does confirm that play is 8/8 and Nani + Sase are scheduled for it.
well wot is the point in inviting foreigners if your going to get them to play on the day they arrive or if they do get there before then then when they ahve only been there 1 -5 days and are jetlagged and not had much time to practice or prepare...
I am now officially confused since GOM posted a bracket that pretty clearly indicates Nani and Sase are listed to play on the 8th, but I tweeted Mr Chae who confirmed:
WoWnStarcraft Jungwon Chae @ashaSC2 They will arrive in Korea on 9th Aug
I guess perhaps they'll reshuffle the schedule and this is just the generated bracket with dates as they would be without extenuating circumstances.
Poor Fenix, drawing Tassadar first round must be very tough. BoxeR has to knock out Leenock, it's sad for the kid, and I like him, but BoxeR has to get back to code S! My picks; Fruitdealer vs Maru -- I liked Maru's play, and he seems to be a big up&comer, but it's the Fruit :>, If he falls to code B I would be very sad.
Banbanssu vs Ganzi -- No question in my mind that GanZi will be able to take Banbans out.
Sase vs Sniper -- I'm one of the people who knows SaSe from his W3 days, and have followed his SC2 Progress because of that, and I think he can take down Sniper, who hasn't looked that great to me.
Check vs Naniwa -- Check has had to fall out for some seasons now, he was lucky enough to face Choya last time, and while they both played good there, I don't think he belongs in code A.
sC vs Extreme -- sC should be too solid for Extreme to handle.
Tails vs Taeja -- This is the one that could go either way for me, but I've seen more from Taeja, so I'll give him the edge.
DongRaeGu vs InCa -- Yeah.. InCa with his vZ, I'm actually hoping for the upset here, but it's unlikely.
anypro vs JYP -- anypro's vP looked kinda lackluster last time, so versus JYP, who's supposed to be very good, I think he'll drop out.
Tassadar vs Fenix -- Poor Fenix ;<.
Yoda vs TheBest -- He is the freaking villain, he'll go on to win Code A over BoxeR even if it's not possible.
Boxer vs Leenock -- It's sad for Leenock really, but I hope for the Emperor to go through.
Dream vs Maka -- This should be the comeback of Maka, and I'm willing to see Dream go for that.
Jinro vs Lucky -- Please Jinro, make it true ;>.
Luvsic vs Jjakji -- Jjakji has looked solid as hell, and Luvsic has shown some shaky play.
YugiOh vs Thorzain -- This one could go either way as well, YuGiOh is a very underrated player imo, but versus Thorzain we will have to see. This basically depends on if TZ brings his best I think.
MarineKing vs Hack -- A very difficult match for MKP, but I just can't bet against this guy, imagine him dropping to code B, he's been crying when he went to Up&Downs ffs ;>
wow did anyone not see the matches in mlg with DRG? same boring play, its already fucking figured out in korea. he basicly got free wins in group stages... ie. vs huk and nani. DRG loses in ro16
On August 03 2011 21:31 MaderA wrote: All of the foreigners are paired up against Zergs. Naniwa vs. Check will be an awesome game to watch. Also looking forward to Boxer vs. Leenock.
That really sucks that even if they arrive before they're matches, they will have zero time to prepare. The whole point was that they would be able to at least have Korean level practice. What the hell is the point of the whole exercise?
Nani and Sase seem to have extremely favorable matches on paper, but this will be the real test of how quickly they can adapt to the Korean scene and skill level. A lot of foreign players tend to suffer very naive losses (BO losses, unscouted proxies etc) early on in their Korean experience. Hopefully they'll all be ready and relaxed enough to play their best.
On August 03 2011 21:44 KAmaKAsa wrote: wow did anyone not see the matches in mlg with DRG? same boring play, its already fucking figured out in korea. he basicly got free wins in group stages... ie. vs huk and nani. DRG loses in ro16
I kinda agree, I was never with the mass hype that DRG got, and after him getting just plain outmacroed pretty fucking hard vs MVP, he's dropped in my ranks. But nonetheless, he should be able to take down a lot of the players in code A atm, even in code S. I can't see him not making Up&Downs, though I'm hoping he flunks out versus InCa.
Nani and Sase seem to have extremely favorable matches on paper, but this will be the real test of how quickly they can adapt to the Korean scene and skill level. A lot of foreign players tend to suffer very naive losses (BO losses, unscouted proxies etc) early on in their Korean experience. Hopefully they'll all be ready and relaxed enough to play their best.
Sase is questionable though, his PvZ was never his best match-up, but I haven't seen him lately, so hopefully he has improved.
On August 03 2011 21:44 MCDayC wrote: That really sucks that even if they arrive before they're matches, they will have zero time to prepare. The whole point was that they would be able to at least have Korean level practice. What the hell is the point of the whole exercise?
exactly, pretty pointless. May as well send 4 random players as by the time they play their games which will be sharpish even if they dont play on 8th or 9th of August they cant hold it up too long as the next round will start.
I know that one or two of the foreigners there may be capable of beating one or two players but so difficult with no time to prepare...
I can see pretty much all of the foreigners going through to the second round, although Fenix and Jinro probably will have the toughest time. I really root for SaSe the most, I want him to go big. Perhaps he can get picked up by a Korean team if he does well (or does he have a team already?).
Oh man, Leenock vs Boxer...so cruel. I don't want to see either of these guys get knocked back to Code B.
And rofl at Inca, at least I get to enjoy one of the many upcoming ro32 roflstomps.
Foreigners got a pretty decent draw overall, although Fenix might struggle vs Tassadar. And it kind of sucks that Nani and Sase could potentially meet in the ro16, but I suppose they both have to make it there first.
On August 03 2011 21:43 Fyzar wrote: Sase vs Sniper -- I'm one of the people who knows SaSe from his W3 days, and have followed his SC2 Progress because of that, and I think he can take down Sniper, who hasn't looked that great to me.
Dream vs Maka -- This should be the comeback of Maka, and I'm willing to see Dream go for that.
If you're saying your views about Sase vs Sniper with a straight head, this means that you have watched a grand total of 0 Sniper games. Sniper's macro heavy vP is too much for Sase to cope with. It pretty much depends on who is going to choke harder, but with no choke, Sniper is going to handle this.
And Dream somehow could not show his intelligent drop play too much. Last season, he was inexperienced. Now, despite having less stage experience than Maka, I think he can do a good amount of damage on him. I still hope that we can see the Dream, who relentlessly attacks at every single gap, handles numerous drops, doing his signature (I call that signature of Dream, I don't know if anyone else did something like that besides thor dropping on LT cliff, but I call that Dream drop) scv supported elevator drop for making turrets in opponent's base. Or we can just see random makarax into 2-0 Maka victory. Hoping for former ofc.
[5:53:51 AM] Juliette: highlights: possible ro16 foreign kill between sase and nani (sase won 4-2 last meeting), inca DRG = inca out of code A, BOXER VS LEENOCK, possible MKP vs thorzain ro16 (mkp vs hack, thorzain vs yugioh) [5:54:52 AM] Juliette: foreingers: SaSe pvz ro32, nani vs check ro 32 (ezpz), fenix v tassadar pvp, jinro tvt vs fxo lucky (luckyfOu), thorzain vs yugioh [5:55:11 AM] Juliette: also MAKAPRIME plays dream, then winner of leenock vs boxer
I mentioned this in the other thread, but I'm more convinced than ever that Code A is in desperate need of a group stage. If you want to get the best players through to Code S and have the best players stay in Code A, a group stage will do that by preventing early knockouts when 2 of the better players get unlucky and draw eachother in the first round.
On August 03 2011 21:50 TheSilverfox wrote: Does this mean that SaSe and Naniwa will face each other after the first round?
By that only one of them can get to Code S, right?
Seems like it, yes. A shame, but with 5 foreigners it's inevitable.
i think its good! i dont think they'll both win anyway, im really sceptical about sase.. and check is no slouch.. so if one loses im sure the other can help him prepare for his opponent since he will have played him in the last round! but if they both somehow win we are guaranteed a foreigner in the up & downs, rather than having to beat another monster korean!
On August 03 2011 21:56 Juliette wrote: My thoughts: (typed out for a friend on skype)
[5:53:51 AM] Juliette: highlights: possible ro16 foreign kill between sase and nani (sase won 4-2 last meeting), inca DRG = inca out of code A, BOXER VS LEENOCK, possible MKP vs thorzain ro16 (mkp vs hack, thorzain vs yugioh) [5:54:52 AM] Juliette: foreingers: SaSe pvz ro32, nani vs check ro 32 (ezpz), fenix v tassadar pvp, jinro tvt vs fxo lucky (luckyfOu), thorzain vs yugioh [5:55:11 AM] Juliette: also MAKAPRIME plays dream, then winner of leenock vs boxer
lolol. code A so stacked :[
I think we can discard the last series between Sase and Nani when comparing them, Naniwa did wierd stuff that series, Forge expands and stuff.
Nani and Sase seem to have extremely favorable matches on paper, but this will be the real test of how quickly they can adapt to the Korean scene and skill level. A lot of foreign players tend to suffer very naive losses (BO losses, unscouted proxies etc) early on in their Korean experience. Hopefully they'll all be ready and relaxed enough to play their best.
Sase is questionable though, his PvZ was never his best match-up, but I haven't seen him lately, so hopefully he has improved.
Well I'd even say vZ is Nani's and Thorzain's worst matchup aswell.
YuGiOh vs ThorZaIN and BoxeR vs Leenock!! O_O Two matches im really looking forward to see!! :D Also the Jinro match ofc, but those two are ones I _MUST_ watch.. ^^
Pretty good setup imo, I like this draw in general.
Thorzain not too lucky to get TvZ, I feel that his TvZ is his weakest matchup, though still very strong. Sase's pvz is also his weakest overall, as is Fenix' TvP. Hmm, naniwa been having the most problems with PvZ also lately.. Jinro's TvT is not his strongest (though Id say he has more trouble with TvZ, and he likes mech, so Id say its decent). But the players they all hit are and should be beatable. They avoided the absolute monsters
On August 03 2011 22:05 Beyonder wrote: Pretty good setup imo, I like this draw in general.
Thorzain not too lucky to get TvZ, I feel that his TvZ is his weakest matchup, though still very strong. Sase's pvz is also his weakest overall, as is Fenix' TvP. Hmm, naniwa been having the most problems with PvZ also lately.. Jinro's TvT is not his strongest (though Id say he has more trouble with TvZ, and he likes mech, so Id say its decent). But the players they all hit are and should be beatable. They avoided the absolute monsters
Ah yes, the Underating of Thorzain starts again. Everything is going according to plan!! Thorzain feeds of peoples underation, and it only makes him stronger! :D
Joking aside, im so stoked for this Code A, so stacked, looks really fun :D im expecting some unspets aswell.
FruitDealer vs MaruI've never seen Maru play and as a Prime Terran he could be good, but I can't vote against the Fruitdealer when I don't know his opponent. Banbanssu vs GanZi SaSe vs SniperSniper has never impressed me, and it will be interested to see how SaSe stands up to, in my mind, one of the weakest Zergs in code A/B. Check vs NaNiwaCheck is good, and he looked ok against Huk, but he still has a pretty bad record against Protoss and I think Naniwa should take it.
Second session
sC vs ExtremeOnce again another player I haven't seen (why must you broadcast the qualifers when you do GOM?!), but he'll have to be pretty good to beat sC. Tails vs TaejaTails stayed in code A last season because he drew thewind, then he got knocked out by Banbanssu, I don't rate him at all. DongRaeGu vs InCaBye InCa, I don't know how you're going to get back into code A without drastically improving at the other match ups. anypro vs JYP
August 9th
Tassadar vs FenixFenix got the hardest draw for a foreigner, I don't think he can beat Tassadar. YoDa vs TheBestI don't think TheBest is as bad as people say (hey hellions are easier to micro than banshees), but YoDa is definitely solid code A material and the IM Terrans are all sick at TvT. BoxeR vs LeenockThe hardest one to pick for me where I knew both players, but I think the Leenocktopus can take it. Either could though and Boxer is looking fearsome. Dream vs MakaDream was the worst choice ever for my GSTL team, I don't care how good he is supposed to be.There's no for me to punish the MvP coach (also he's a new parent), so Dream will have to take the punishment himself, I hope he gets knocked down.
August 10th
Jinro vs Lucky Luvsic vs Jjakji YuGiOh vs ThorZaINYuGiOh doesn't have much vT to judge on, and he's never impressed me that much in his other matchups, but with the power of John's love and better Terrans than Thorzain to train with I think he'll probably win. I hope I'm wrong though, I want Thorzain to win, if he wasn't arriving the day before I think he would have a much better shot. MarineKing vs Hack
First session: FruitDealer vs Maru Adult vs Child like David vs Goliath!! We all know who we want to win but i dont think he will. Banbanssu vs GanZi Ganzi all the way should already be in code S so good enough. SaSe vs Sniper Sniper will beat Sase I think SaSe is one of those players who will need time in Korea before delivering any results. Check vs NaNiwa PvZ is Nani worse matchup normally anyway so to have it agaisnt a up and down player means he could eithier play a very good Check or a bad one. With Nani only getting toKorea a day or two before playing this(thats if they postpone this) then he will find it diffcult.
Second session: sC vs Extreme Tails vs Taeja DongRaeGu vs InCa Dong will will inca in PvZ is not impressive. anypro vs JYP JYP is a big hit among his fellow koreans think he will nock anypro down into code B!!
August 9th Tassadar vs Fenix Tassadar will be far too good for Fenix. YoDa vs TheBest BoxeR vs Leenock Leenock with the hard draws always Dream vs Maka
August 10th Jinro vs Lucky Hoping Jinro will deliver, about time he did and gets back to up and down matches!!! Luvsic vs Jjakji YuGiOh vs ThorZaIN Well If Thorzain starts prepping already possibily he may do it but with barely no time to prepare for this game going to be difficult. MarineKing vs Hack Marineking going to slump out in my opinion!! Or hell do a MVP and win code a!!!
Jesus, I saw MarineKing vs Hack and clicked on Hack's TLPD. Saw 15-4 and I pretty much felt like crying. then I realized I was looking at the international TLPD and his TvT isn't nearly as good in Korea.
On August 03 2011 21:56 Juliette wrote: My thoughts: (typed out for a friend on skype)
[5:53:51 AM] Juliette: highlights: possible ro16 foreign kill between sase and nani (sase won 4-2 last meeting), inca DRG = inca out of code A, BOXER VS LEENOCK, possible MKP vs thorzain ro16 (mkp vs hack, thorzain vs yugioh) [5:54:52 AM] Juliette: foreingers: SaSe pvz ro32, nani vs check ro 32 (ezpz), fenix v tassadar pvp, jinro tvt vs fxo lucky (luckyfOu), thorzain vs yugioh [5:55:11 AM] Juliette: also MAKAPRIME plays dream, then winner of leenock vs boxer
Naniwa vs Check - Naniwa draws the weakest opponent in all of code A
DRG vs Inca - free win for DRG
Yoda vs theBest - wtf is theBest doing back in code A? Sorry no more protosses for you to 1 base against
Jinro vs Lucky - Ok well I said Jinro vs Line in the Supertournament was favorable and look how that turned out. Nonetheless this is still a *cough* lucky first round draw for Jinro.
Dislike FD vs Maru - Maru isn't that tough of an opponent, but FD had only ZvT to practice for in his U&D group and flopped hard.
Sase vs Sniper - Don't really know much about either player but according to TLPD PvZ is Sase's worst matchup
Tassadar vs Fenix - Fenix against last season's code A runner up? Uh oh. Granted PvT is Tassadar's worst matchup but iirc his losses in the U&D groups were to the 1-1-1 attack. For some reason I feel like Fenix isn't going to do it and try to play a macro game instead.
Boxer vs Leenock - Wow, just...wtf.
Yugioh vs Thorzain - Yugioh is nothing special but personally I feel like TvZ is Tzain's worst matchup. Would be more comfortable if he got a TvP or TvT.
MKP vs Hack - The Kong of the GSL vs the kong of the TL Opens. Funny storyline but sad that one of these guys is going to fall down to code B.
On August 03 2011 22:05 Beyonder wrote: Pretty good setup imo, I like this draw in general.
Thorzain not too lucky to get TvZ, I feel that his TvZ is his weakest matchup, though still very strong. Sase's pvz is also his weakest overall, as is Fenix' TvP. Hmm, naniwa been having the most problems with PvZ also lately.. Jinro's TvT is not his strongest (though Id say he has more trouble with TvZ, and he likes mech, so Id say its decent). But the players they all hit are and should be beatable. They avoided the absolute monsters
Ah yes, the Underating of Thorzain starts again. Everything is going according to plan!! Thorzain feeds of peoples underation, and it only makes him stronger! :D
Joking aside, im so stoked for this Code A, so stacked, looks really fun :D im expecting some unspets aswell.
I still remember how he ripped Fruitdealer apart in the first round of the TSL, that wasn't even close and I've seen him play a few TvZ's like since then, but Zergs have changed and he doesn't seem so confident against them any more.
Still if he returns to that form he can win, but arriving the day before isn't good I think a few days on the Korean server just to adjust a bit more to the play-style would have done wonders. YuGiOh wasn't the worst player to draw first round, and its pretty much TvT to the final if he can win (probably TvTs against MKP, Jjajki, Boxer and Yoda, but he can worry about that hurdle when he reaches it).
Why don't they do the same style as in code S? Groups of 4 with the first 2 going through, the 3rd staying and the 4th going to code B? Wouldn't it prevent big matches on RO32 and possibly a really good contender dropping to code B?
When it comes to the foreigners I don't like Jinro's. Fenix's and Thorzain's chances. Naniwa might have a shot but he's had difficulties with zergs lately (as far as I've seen). I don't think Sase is much better in that matchup but I'm not familiar enough with Sniper to tell.
Though if they want to have any chances to advance into the tournament, they should be able to get through these players.
On August 03 2011 22:30 mmatahi wrote: Why don't they do the same style as in code S? Groups of 4 with the first 2 going through, the 3rd staying and the 4th going to code B? Wouldn't it prevent big matches on RO32 and possibly a really good contender dropping to code B?
Probably not since bo1's are awful. I like Code A's format, it's much better.
On August 03 2011 22:31 CanucksJC wrote: LOL LEENOCK, luckiest player of all time, of ALL time!
The gods of Starcraft do not want him to get Code S.
Please....the gods of Starcraft obviously want him to quit.
Naniwa shouldn't have problems if he doesn't get overwhelmed by nerve-issues. He beat IdrA at MLG and has always had a pretty great PvZ. On the other hand, I think Sase is dead...Sniper is a really good player.
I feel like the foreigners will get screwed over by massive jet-lag if they arrive to Korea the day before their games. I REALLY hope that they can pull through though.
On August 03 2011 22:31 CanucksJC wrote: LOL LEENOCK, luckiest player of all time, of ALL time!
The gods of Starcraft do not want him to get Code S.
People like to bring up how unlucky Leenock is or how he always gets hard draws. But in reality, he's had plenty of chances to get to Code S and has failed every time. I can understand losing to MarineKing and Nestea. But if you're really a Code S level player, you shouldn't be losing to LiveForever in the up and downs or CreatorPrime in the first round of Code A. Or even Inca, a player who is known for his terrible PvZ, in the up and downs.
I know Leenock is a fan favorite, but he doesn't play at a consistent Code S level yet, and until he does, he doesn't deserve to be Code S.
On August 03 2011 22:31 CanucksJC wrote: LOL LEENOCK, luckiest player of all time, of ALL time!
The gods of Starcraft do not want him to get Code S.
People like to bring up how unlucky Leenock is or how he always gets hard draws. But in reality, he's had plenty of chances to get to Code S and has failed every time. I can understand losing to MarineKing and Nestea. But if you're really a Code S level player, you shouldn't be losing to LiveForever in the up and downs or CreatorPrime in the first round of Code A. Or even Inca, a player who is known for his terrible PvZ, in the up and downs.
I know Leenock is a fan favorite, but he doesn't play at a consistent Code S level yet, and until he does, he doesn't deserve to be Code S.
This.. im a massive leenock fan.. but this is the truth imo..
DRG just need to focus on his PvZ to be able to get into up and downs. Seriously, code a is so stacked i can't even predict who will even get into the RO4. Players who are favourites should be Taeja, JJakji, MKP, DRG, foreigner tosses. Even boxer has a pretty good chance without having to play TvPs.
Hm too bad that Leenock has to face Boxer. But all in all Im happy about the foreigners' opponents (except for Fenix ofc who will def'ly lose against Tassadar)
On August 03 2011 22:46 Garnet wrote: Looks like Inca will go all the way from GSL finalist to code B. And Yugioh vs. Thorzain makes me sad. GL to the foreigners.
I hope John gives ThorZain a couple of hints and tips on how to defeat Yugioh.
On August 03 2011 22:46 Garnet wrote: Looks like Inca will go all the way from GSL finalist to code B. And Yugioh vs. Thorzain makes me sad. GL to the foreigners.
I hope John gives ThorZain a couple of hints and tips on how to defeat Yugioh.
He just needs to believe in the heart of the cards.
(Z)FruitDealer vs (T)Maru (P)Banbanssu vs (T)GanZi (P)SaSe vs (Z)Sniper (Z)Check vs (P)NaNiwa
Second session
(T)sC vs (P)Extreme (P)Tails vs (T)Taeja (Z)DongRaeGu vs (P)InCa (P)anypro vs (P)JYP
August 9th
(P)Tassadar vs (T)Fenix (T)YoDa vs (T)TheBest (T)BoxeR vs (Z)Leenock (T)Dream vs (T)Maka
August 10th
(T)Jinro vs (Z)Lucky (Z)Luvsic vs (T)Jjakji (Z)YuGiOh vs (T)ThorZaIN (T)MarineKing vs (T)Hack
wow, the last day is so stacked, MarineKing vs Hack is for me the most antecipated game, MKP vs a really up and coming solid terran. And losts of potentially great tvz's all terrans are pretty solid players, so those 3 zergs will have a really really hard time. I think we will see a pretty much Terran dominating this code A season, because they really seem the most solid players this season and no Puzzle and Boxer vs Leenock, why?
FruitDealer vs Maru - FD hasn't won a boX since beating Virus in a bo3 in March. Will be sad to see him go out, but I don't think he is good enough anymore. But then again he does get to play against a lesser known player with no real achievements. Could go either way.
Banbanssu vs GanZi - Ganzi has been in good form lately, should win fairly handily.
SaSe vs Sniper - A lot of pros in the foreigner scene say he is one of the most underrated players in the entire foreigner scene. Hopefully he can show us why we should take notice.
Check vs NaNiwa - Check showed some improved form of late, was very impressed when he played Huk in GSTL, but I don't think he is good enough to take out Nani right now.
Second session
sC vs Extreme - sC is too good to be stuck in code A, easily code S quality.
Tails vs Taeja - Hard one to call, going on the few games of Teaja I've seen, was impressive in GSTL.
DongRaeGu vs InCa - As much as I'd love to see InCa win (yea, I'm an InCa fan). He has to play a Zerg, and DRG at that.
anypro vs JYP - I like anypro, I think he is a but underrated, I think he is code S material, but maybe now he is high code A material since there seems to be so many good players emerging, still, I think he is better than being stuck in code B
August 9th
Tassadar vs Fenix - If he can hold a 4 gate, he wins.
YoDa vs TheBest - In the end, the villains always end up losing (mostly because they aren't very good.)
BoxeR vs Leenock - No idea for this game, both players are very good. Going for BoxeR off his impressive MLG run.
Dream vs Maka - MAKA IS BACK! Fanboy pick here, even though I think he can win, he did beat sC in the super tourney, and only lost to Polt 2-1 (no embarrassment in that)
August 10th
Jinro vs Lucky - He has had a lot of troubles vZ, but he seems to be getting back on track, just hoping he can win this match and stay in code A at least.
Luvsic vs Jjakji - Tough call, I enjoyed watching Luvsic last code A, but the talk is that Jjakji is pretty good.
YuGiOh vs ThorZaIN - TZain is better than YuGiOh imo, just unfortunate that he will have to play MKP or Hack if he wins.
MarineKing vs Hack - My tip to win Code A (or at least place second to DRG, silver curse..) Much much much too good for Code A, and hopefully he can return to form and start wrecking nerd's faces.
My tip for the finals, some combination of MKP, DRG, sC Although how amazing would a Naniwa ThorZaIN finals be :D (one can dream)
dont underestimate the koreans who play vs the foreigners, from what i saw, sase naniwa could get owned pretty badly, not to sure bout how yugioh improved
MKP could lose to Hack. Leenock-Boxer in the Ro32 makes me sad. Fenix is probably overmatched. InCa is in trouble. Naniwa and Thorzain have a good chance of advancing, and Naniwa's path to the up-and-downs appears reasonably do-able.
On August 03 2011 23:19 Tonttu wrote: I got a feeling that MKP will lose to Hack :/
me too his tvt is really weird. I swear if he loses to another blue flame hellion drop and do something stupid like running scvs into tanklines ill cry. been his fan ever since he was called foxer hope he doesn't let us all down
The Idea of never seeing inca again makes me happy.......and damn leenock...that kid just can't get a break >_>
Man, what's with leenock's brackets anyways? Felt like he pissed off some starcraft god or something, did he try to hit on GOMtv boss' 13 years old daughter or something?
All the foreigners if they win round 1 will be playing against another foreigners in round 2, how kind! What a waste of time for them coming all the way out to korea to play someone they face day to day on the ladder! Lol oh well
Everyone is giving Check vs Naniwa to Naniwa? Like everyone said Naniwa would beat DRG at MLG? Has Naniwa ever taken a game off a Korean Zerg?
Edit: OK he beat Moon at Columbus... but then he lost to him at Dreamhack.. Check is about as good as Moon at least. I don't know why people see this as an auto win for Nani..
On August 03 2011 23:37 sitromit wrote: Everyone is giving Check vs Naniwa to Naniwa? Like everyone said Naniwa would beat DRG at MLG? Has Naniwa ever taken a game off a Korean Zerg?
Inca and Anypro will be making the quick drop from Code S-->B
Fruitdealer will survive because he got a comparatively weak first round opponent, I would be surprised if he can beat Ganzi's TvZ though. I believe, however.
I really like Naniwa and Jinro's chances of reaching the Ro8, however the other foreigners are going to need significantly more luck than them.
On August 03 2011 23:40 unnar wrote: Can someone just give a statement why the GSL hates lenock so much Is because he knocked out Clide that one time?
Leenock has had plenty of chances and messed them up himself, to be fair. It isn't all about getting bad luck with brackets. Leenock lost to Liveforever when he fell from Code S initially, if I recall correctly.
Leenock's bracket isn't even hard. I agree with the post a few pages back.. the only time he got unlucky is when he was in the Up and Down group with Nestea and MarineKing.
If he's really Code S material(which I doubt since he looks insane in some games and then terrible in others) he'll easily plow through Boxer.
On August 03 2011 23:40 unnar wrote: Can someone just give a statement why the GSL hates lenock so much Is because he knocked out Clide that one time?
Leenock has had plenty of chances and messed them up himself, to be fair. It isn't all about getting bad luck with brackets. Leenock lost to Liveforever when he fell from Code S initially, if I recall correctly.
this
i can distinctly remember like 3 series that leenock through away way back when
On August 03 2011 23:37 sitromit wrote: Everyone is giving Check vs Naniwa to Naniwa? Like everyone said Naniwa would beat DRG at MLG? Has Naniwa ever taken a game off a Korean Zerg?
Let's not get mixed up here.
Check is not DRG nor Losira.
DRG is the new zerg hope.
Losira was in GSL Code S final.
Check is dead 5 seasons ago.
Check is not as bad as people think. Didn't he beat Nada in oGs v Prime just last week (although was subsequently beaten by HuK in what was a pretty epic game). I hope HuK shares some his insights on Check/Korean styles with Nani, Nani seems like the real deal in terms of true foreigner hope along with HuK.
On August 03 2011 23:37 sitromit wrote: Everyone is giving Check vs Naniwa to Naniwa? Like everyone said Naniwa would beat DRG at MLG? Has Naniwa ever taken a game off a Korean Zerg?
Let's not get mixed up here.
Check is not DRG nor Losira.
DRG is the new zerg hope.
Losira was in GSL Code S final.
Check is dead 5 seasons ago.
Check is not as bad as people think. Didn't he beat Nada in oGs v Prime just last week (although was subsequently beaten by HuK in what was a pretty epic game). I hope HuK shares some his insights on Check/Korean styles with Nani, Nani seems like the real deal in terms of true foreigner hope along with HuK.
Meh, if you watched the Nada vs Check game you'd understand why he doesn't get any credit for winning.
While in the vs Huk game he showed some skills, he still lost :/
Check was good in beta, but he hasn't been inspiring for months.....I'd say Nani has a good chance of mopping the floor with him.
On August 03 2011 23:34 Pandemona wrote: Lol, what did i say...Nice brackets GOM ^_^
All the foreigners if they win round 1 will be playing against another foreigners in round 2, how kind! What a waste of time for them coming all the way out to korea to play someone they face day to day on the ladder! Lol oh well
If by all you mean 2 out of 5 then sure...
:/
As for Check vs Nani, it's a pretty interesting first match. I think people are writing Check off a bit too easily, he's not really looked all that bad lately and his ZvP looked alright vs Huk. Haha just realised he 3-0'd Fenix on NA to win Zotac US 10
Hrm, considering how stacked Code A is this year, the first round matchups are actually really good for the foreigners. It just makes me a bit sad that they will only get 1 day or so to prepare and will likely be very tired. August 8th
First session:
FruitDealer vs Maru---- I just don't think FruitDealer is good enough anymore. Banbanssu vs GanZi---- GanZi is super solid and on the rise. SaSe vs Sniper---- SaSe was my bet to perform the best of the foreigners, unfortunately this is a pvz and the last pvz's i've seen from SaSe have been awful, so hopefully he's improved this matchup since then! Check vs NaNiwa---- I think you're all underrating Check. Naniwa really struggles against Zerg, dismantled convincingly by a number of zergs in MLG and DH recently, and that coupled with the limited preparation time, might see him struggle.
Second session
sC vs Extreme---- sC avoids his weakest matchup, TvT. He's so talented I expect an easy win! Tails vs Taeja---- Taeja has been very impressive recently, and I don't know a lot about Tails! DongRaeGu vs InCa---- lol anypro vs JYP---- random feeling the end is near for the Simpsontoss
August 9th Tassadar vs Fenix---- mmmm tassadar's aggression should be too much for Fenix to handle YoDa vs TheBes----t the nightmare matchup for TheBest, a solid terran player! BoxeR vs Leenock---- BoxeR's best matchup is TvZ, Leenocks is probably ZvT, so this should be a great series. I Like both, but Hopefully Boxer will advance! Dream vs Maka---- I like Maka and think he's been performing well of late, but Dream is seriously good and unlucky not to be in Code S. He has a great mech tvt which i think is the best tvt strat comfortably!
August 10th
Jinro vs Lucky---- I don't know much about Lucky, but Jinro's TvZ hasn't impressed of late. Luvsic vs Jjakji---- Jjakji is a potential winner of this tournament in my eyes, although his TvZ isn't his best It's still very good. YuGiOh vs ThorZaIN---- Really hopeful more than anything. I don't like how he has so little time to prepare MarineKing vs Hack---- If hack has a really solid mech TvT, I think it'll be too much for MarineKing
On August 03 2011 23:40 unnar wrote: Can someone just give a statement why the GSL hates lenock so much Is because he knocked out Clide that one time?
Leenock has had plenty of chances and messed them up himself, to be fair. It isn't all about getting bad luck with brackets. Leenock lost to Liveforever when he fell from Code S initially, if I recall correctly.
Well that is true but i mean he got Mkp and nestea in up and down once and this Up and Down He got dragged down by inca, But no one have had as hard as time as he getting up to code s again.
Extremely premature to award Naniwa the win over Check. Naniwa's PvZ record is pretty weak and ZvP is Check's best matchup. Check also has the booth experience.
On August 03 2011 23:52 lunchforthesky wrote: Extremely premature to award Naniwa the win over Check. Naniwa's PvZ record is pretty weak and ZvP is Check's best matchup. Check also has the booth experience.
On August 03 2011 23:37 sitromit wrote: Everyone is giving Check vs Naniwa to Naniwa? Like everyone said Naniwa would beat DRG at MLG? Has Naniwa ever taken a game off a Korean Zerg?
Edit: OK he beat Moon at Columbus... but then he lost to him at Dreamhack.. Check is about as good as Moon at least. I don't know why people see this as an auto win for Nani..
He beat Moon at the first korean invitation MLG, 2-0 even in the pool play.
On August 03 2011 23:37 sitromit wrote: Everyone is giving Check vs Naniwa to Naniwa? Like everyone said Naniwa would beat DRG at MLG? Has Naniwa ever taken a game off a Korean Zerg?
Edit: OK he beat Moon at Columbus... but then he lost to him at Dreamhack.. Check is about as good as Moon at least. I don't know why people see this as an auto win for Nani..
He beat Moon at the first korean invitation MLG, 2-0 even in the pool play.
Yes, like I said he beat Moon at Columbus, but then lost to him more recently at Dreamhack.
On August 03 2011 23:37 sitromit wrote: Everyone is giving Check vs Naniwa to Naniwa? Like everyone said Naniwa would beat DRG at MLG? Has Naniwa ever taken a game off a Korean Zerg?
Edit: OK he beat Moon at Columbus... but then he lost to him at Dreamhack.. Check is about as good as Moon at least. I don't know why people see this as an auto win for Nani..
He beat Moon at the first korean invitation MLG, 2-0 even in the pool play.
Yes, like I said he beat Moon at Columbus, but then lost to him more recently at Dreamhack.
And very convincingly at that. Check is okay, I'd have thought pretty similar to Moon..so It will be a very tough test, considering he basically has to get off the plane and play....
I don't know why everyone's picking Sase to go through, his PvZ is poor. We know nothing about this Sniper guy but he's on MVP and even the worst pro Koreans are pretty damn good.
Schedule shuffling to accomodate b.net invitational confirmed and updated:
Yoda vs TheBest moved from Tuesday to Monday (session 1) Luvsic vs Jjakji moved from Wednesday to Monday (session 1) MarineKing vs Hack moved from Wednesday to Tuesday
SaSe vs Sniper moved from Monday (1) to Wednesday Check vs NaNiwa moved from Monday (1) to Wednesday
On August 04 2011 00:20 DigitalD[562] wrote: There aren't enough trap cards in the world to save YuGiOh from being rolled by ThorZaIN. Code A is loaded with assassins.
On August 04 2011 00:26 Asha` wrote: Schedule shuffling to accomodate b.net invitational confirmed and updated:
Yoda vs TheBest moved from Tuesday to Monday (session 1) Luvsic vs Jjakji moved from Wednesday to Monday (session 1) MarineKing vs Hack moved from Wednesday to Tuesday
SaSe vs Sniper moved from Monday (1) to Wednesday Check vs NaNiwa moved from Monday (1) to Wednesday
So now Thorzain has one day to prepare(if getting there the day ebfore is preparing) and the other two have a single day. Nice!!!
On August 04 2011 00:44 CoR wrote: dislike Luvsic vs Jjakji as they seems to be both 1. round out guys
i also rly hate mkp vs hack since they both deserve in the up and down matches
rest nice games
You obviosly haven't seen Jjakji play in the Korean Weekly Tournament hosted by ICCUP . JJakji is a freaking beastly player , NSHS's best player. He just looked nervous as hell in the games against Junwin and still completely stomped him with by far superior macro.
On August 04 2011 00:26 Asha` wrote: Schedule shuffling to accomodate b.net invitational confirmed and updated:
Yoda vs TheBest moved from Tuesday to Monday (session 1) Luvsic vs Jjakji moved from Wednesday to Monday (session 1) MarineKing vs Hack moved from Wednesday to Tuesday
SaSe vs Sniper moved from Monday (1) to Wednesday Check vs NaNiwa moved from Monday (1) to Wednesday
You guys realise that this now means if all foreigners win their 1st round match it will meant that Jinro, Sase, Naniwa and Thorzain will be in the same end of the bracket.
So even if every foreigner wins first round, two of those four wont make it to up downs because they will have to play each other...
On August 04 2011 00:26 Asha` wrote: Schedule shuffling to accomodate b.net invitational confirmed and updated:
Yoda vs TheBest moved from Tuesday to Monday (session 1) Luvsic vs Jjakji moved from Wednesday to Monday (session 1) MarineKing vs Hack moved from Wednesday to Tuesday
SaSe vs Sniper moved from Monday (1) to Wednesday Check vs NaNiwa moved from Monday (1) to Wednesday
You guys realise that this now means if all foreigners win their 1st round match it will meant that Jinro, Sase, Naniwa and Thorzain will be in the same end of the bracket.
So even if every foreigner wins first round, two of those four wont make it to up downs because they will have to play each other...
On the other hand if all 4 of them wins they will stay in code A. And we will have 2 foreigners in the Up and Down matches. Looks like that's what GSL wanted (just speculation) to have as many foreigners as possible. They might win their ro32 match but all lose in ro16 and then there could be no foreigners in up and down matches.
The only requirement from what I can gather is that they wanted to have atleast a few foreigners in the up and down and thus making them play eachother is the best possible way that there is a bigger chance of having foreigners in up and down.
Just speculation but I don't mind tbh. More foreigners for code S would help their skill level and get more viewers for GSL which would help the overall skill level of the foreigners since the possibility of more foreigners able to compete with the Koreans will increase which will benefit everyone if more foreigners could compete with the Koreans.
You guys realise that this now means if all foreigners win their 1st round match it will meant that Jinro, Sase, Naniwa and Thorzain will be in the same end of the bracket.
So even if every foreigner wins first round, two of those four wont make it to up downs because they will have to play each other...
No, just the matches are moved, not the structure of the bracket.
Bracket looks amazing but Boxer vs Leenock R1 makes me sad as neither deserve Code B.
On August 04 2011 00:26 Asha` wrote: Schedule shuffling to accomodate b.net invitational confirmed and updated:
Yoda vs TheBest moved from Tuesday to Monday (session 1) Luvsic vs Jjakji moved from Wednesday to Monday (session 1) MarineKing vs Hack moved from Wednesday to Tuesday
SaSe vs Sniper moved from Monday (1) to Wednesday Check vs NaNiwa moved from Monday (1) to Wednesday
You guys realise that this now means if all foreigners win their 1st round match it will meant that Jinro, Sase, Naniwa and Thorzain will be in the same end of the bracket.
So even if every foreigner wins first round, two of those four wont make it to up downs because they will have to play each other...
It seems that out of the foreigners only Fenix has a tough 1st round... Unfortunately for him I think it's an EXTREMELY hard 1st round as Tassadar is a beast that could easily have been in code S this season! However PvT is Tassadar's weakest MU, so depending on how good Fenix's TvP is he might be able to take him down. I don't know much about SaSe other than he does really well in Euro tournaments and is pretty highly regarded by other pros out there. Hopefully he can take out this pretty unknown Z, Sniper. Anyone who comes out of the qualifiers (other than TheBest) has to have some serious skills, so who knows about that one.
The match that makes me extremely sad is Boxer vs Leenock! 2 players that 100% deserve Code S status or at the very least don't deserve to have to re-qualify for Code A next season! Leenock seriously has the worst luck when it comes to who he has to face in the GSL! Also DRG vs Inca makes me sad because other than in PvZ I really admire Inca's play! Unfortunately for him he might as well just start practicing for the qualifiers for next season because he's likely going to get rofl-stomped by DRG!
Overall Code A is sick this season, and I really look forward to watching all the foreigners battling for top 8 so they can get a shot at Code S!
You guys realise that this now means if all foreigners win their 1st round match it will meant that Jinro, Sase, Naniwa and Thorzain will be in the same end of the bracket.
So even if every foreigner wins first round, two of those four wont make it to up downs because they will have to play each other...
No, just the matches are moved, not the structure of the bracket.
Bracket looks amazing but Boxer vs Leenock R1 makes me sad as neither deserve Code B.
MKP vs Thorzain in Ro16 would be great.
Ahh okay. Much better . I was worried for a second ^^
Does anyone else think that it would be a good idea to expand Code A to a 64 person tournament in the near future? I just feel that there are far too many good players that get kept out by the brutal qualifiers. It would also make it possible to at least somewhat seed the brackets.
So awesome drg and boxer made it, but man sucks boxer got matched with leenock cause I like them both. However leenock messed up in the up/down and should never have lost that game to inca and he threw it away. Damn scared for MKP against hack. Ideally, I'd want to see a DRG vs MKP finals! Hope drg makes code S as he's the 2nd best zerg in the world behind nestea.
FruitDealer vs. Maru - Maruuu! I think FD has had his time, and it's time to make way for the up and coming Kid Flash. It's only Maru's 3rd time in the booth though, so nerves may get to him. vanvanth vs GanZi - Ganzi - vanvanth has failed to impress me every time I've seen him play through terrible decisions and micro. Ganzi's MLG performance was incredible. Yoda vs TheBest - Yoda - unless TheBest has pulled a Rain within the last month, Yoda's incredibly solid play will tear him apart Luvsic vs Jjakji T.T - Luvsic - we've seen very little of both these players, but from what I've heard Luvsic is better sC vs (Sickness?) - sC should win this, but if Extreme is Sickness he'll do something unexpected and may catch sC off guard Tails vs Taeja - Taeja - his TvP is actually real good from what I've seen from the iCCups DRG vs InCa - DRG lol - if InCa vs NesTea is any indication.. anypro vs JYP - JYP - he's a better player than anypro imo (he's also known as Smart if that rings any bells) Tassadar vs Fenix - Tassadar - Tassadar is great at ripping apart lesser Terrans, and Fenix isn't ready to face someone like Tassadar yet. After Korea though, he (may) be. MKP vs Hack - Hack - MKP's TvT has been his downfall lately, and I'm not foreseeing too many changes in the near future. BoxeR vs Leenock T.T.T.T - Leenock - he's really good at crisis management and coming back from dire situations. I think that'll give him the edge. Dream vs Maka - Dream - I love Maka, but I think it's time for him to make way for the up and coming Kid Leta Jinro vs Lucky - Jinro - I think his TvZ is good enough to beat Lucky, last time Lucky was in GSTL he didn't leave an impression YuGiOh vs ThorZaiN - ThorZaiN - ThorZaiN and Nani are the best foreigner hopes hands down, and I think they are already well equipped to take down middle of the pack Korean players SaSe vs Sniper - SaSe - not sure if he really has a chance, but watching Sniper's qualifications he didn't do anything too astounding. So I'm giving it to my fav. foreign WC3 player. Check vs Nani - Nani - Nani, like ThorZaiN, has a good chance to make it far into this tournament, and I think Check should be easy enough for him
On August 04 2011 00:58 SadMachine wrote: It seems that out of the foreigners only Fenix has a tough 1st round...
I think everyone but naniwa has a tough 1st round. I have only seen one bo3 of sniper but he looked decent and SaSe is not exactly a player you would expect to beat korean pros (yet).
Lucky is not impressive at all, but Jinro has been in a slump for quite some time now and didn't make it out of the mlg open-bracket.
ThorZaIN's tvz is probably his weakest matchup and YuGiOh played in the last 5 gsl seasons. Very underrated and experienced player, I see him as the favorite against Thorzain.
Everyone has a fighting chance, but only nani is the clear favorite in his game for me.
wednesday is gonna be sick, 4 foreigners playing on the same day.
FD I think is not in his season1 form, but hes still a solid player. Maru is young and might still be nervous Ganzi is obvious Don't care about this match lol Jjakji is actually a beast
sC obviously better Taeja is a beast. This will be a close match though If Nestea vs Inca finals were any indication, DRG. JYP is a baller. Besides, I want to see TSL do well after what happened recently
Tassadar is pretty good. Hoping for a Fenix win though MKP. Poor Hack. BoxeR has been playing well, he even beat IdrA in MLG. Poor Leenock I feel bad Dream is good, but this will be close. <3 Maka
Jinro's comeback starts here! Thorzain is too much of a baller to fall. Sase is a beast Naniwa is a PvZ beast.
Poor poor InCa, he is awesome, but a 0-4 in the GSL finals vs NesTea and a 10% win rate vs Z is not good when going vs DRG...
Anyways, I hope non-koreans can make it through, specially Jinro! And I would like to see sC vs Maru at some point if possible, still FD is FD he is not a player to mess around, looks like a nice Code A season.
On August 04 2011 01:14 KoTakUEurO wrote: My Predictions: + Show Spoiler +
FruitDealer vs. Maru - Maruuu! I think FD has had his time, and it's time to make way for the up and coming Kid Flash. It's only Maru's 3rd time in the booth though, so nerves may get to him. vanvanth vs GanZi - Ganzi - vanvanth has failed to impress me every time I've seen him play through terrible decisions and micro. Ganzi's MLG performance was incredible. Yoda vs TheBest - Yoda - unless TheBest has pulled a Rain within the last month, Yoda's incredibly solid play will tear him apart Luvsic vs Jjakji T.T - Luvsic - we've seen very little of both these players, but from what I've heard Luvsic is better sC vs (Sickness?) - sC should win this, but if Extreme is Sickness he'll do something unexpected and may catch sC off guard Tails vs Taeja - Taeja - his TvP is actually real good from what I've seen from the iCCups DRG vs InCa - DRG lol - if InCa vs NesTea is any indication.. anypro vs JYP - JYP - he's a better player than anypro imo (he's also known as Smart if that rings any bells) Tassadar vs Fenix - Tassadar - Tassadar is great at ripping apart lesser Terrans, and Fenix isn't ready to face someone like Tassadar yet. After Korea though, he (may) be. MKP vs Hack - Hack - MKP's TvT has been his downfall lately, and I'm not foreseeing too many changes in the near future. BoxeR vs Leenock T.T.T.T - Leenock - he's really good at crisis management and coming back from dire situations. I think that'll give him the edge. Dream vs Maka - Dream - I love Maka, but I think it's time for him to make way for the up and coming Kid Leta Jinro vs Lucky - Jinro - his TvP is still very good, and if he can beat ShinyStar, he can beat Lucky YuGiOh vs ThorZaiN - ThorZaiN - ThorZaiN and Nani are the best foreigner hopes hands down, and I think they are already well equipped to take down middle of the pack Korean players SaSe vs Sniper - SaSe - not sure if he really has a chance, but watching Sniper's qualifications he didn't do anything too astounding. So I'm giving it to my fav. foreign WC3 player. Check vs Nani - Nani - Nani, like ThorZaiN, has a good chance to make it far into this tournament, and I think Check should be easy enough for him
On August 04 2011 01:14 KoTakUEurO wrote: My Predictions: + Show Spoiler +
FruitDealer vs. Maru - Maruuu! I think FD has had his time, and it's time to make way for the up and coming Kid Flash. It's only Maru's 3rd time in the booth though, so nerves may get to him. vanvanth vs GanZi - Ganzi - vanvanth has failed to impress me every time I've seen him play through terrible decisions and micro. Ganzi's MLG performance was incredible. Yoda vs TheBest - Yoda - unless TheBest has pulled a Rain within the last month, Yoda's incredibly solid play will tear him apart Luvsic vs Jjakji T.T - Luvsic - we've seen very little of both these players, but from what I've heard Luvsic is better sC vs (Sickness?) - sC should win this, but if Extreme is Sickness he'll do something unexpected and may catch sC off guard Tails vs Taeja - Taeja - his TvP is actually real good from what I've seen from the iCCups DRG vs InCa - DRG lol - if InCa vs NesTea is any indication.. anypro vs JYP - JYP - he's a better player than anypro imo (he's also known as Smart if that rings any bells) Tassadar vs Fenix - Tassadar - Tassadar is great at ripping apart lesser Terrans, and Fenix isn't ready to face someone like Tassadar yet. After Korea though, he (may) be. MKP vs Hack - Hack - MKP's TvT has been his downfall lately, and I'm not foreseeing too many changes in the near future. BoxeR vs Leenock T.T.T.T - Leenock - he's really good at crisis management and coming back from dire situations. I think that'll give him the edge. Dream vs Maka - Dream - I love Maka, but I think it's time for him to make way for the up and coming Kid Leta Jinro vs Lucky - Jinro - his TvP is still very good, and if he can beat ShinyStar, he can beat Lucky YuGiOh vs ThorZaiN - ThorZaiN - ThorZaiN and Nani are the best foreigner hopes hands down, and I think they are already well equipped to take down middle of the pack Korean players SaSe vs Sniper - SaSe - not sure if he really has a chance, but watching Sniper's qualifications he didn't do anything too astounding. So I'm giving it to my fav. foreign WC3 player. Check vs Nani - Nani - Nani, like ThorZaiN, has a good chance to make it far into this tournament, and I think Check should be easy enough for him
So many people expecting the foreigners to do a clean sweep... I have a feeling there'll be a lot of tears after the first round of Code A this season...
Oh god. MKP has a TvT and hack is pretty solid T_T. Thank god DRG and sC don't play until the round of 8. Fruitdealer might be done. Idk about Maru's TvZ besides him eliminated Cella a year ago, but his TvT against Lyn was pretty solid. My predictions Ro32 Fruitdealer vs Maru Banbanssu vs Ganzi Sase vs Sniper Check vs Naniwa
sC vs Extreme Tails vs Taeja DongRaeGu vs InCa anypro vs JYP
Tassadar vs Fenix Yoda vs TheBest Boxer vs Leenock Dream vs Maka
Jinro vs Lucky Luvsic vs Jjakji YugiOh vs Thorzain MarineKing vs Hack The one's I am most unsure about : MKP vs Hack because MKP likes to suck it up in TvT and Hack is pretty good; Sase vs Sniper: Don't know enough about Sniper; Tassadar vs Fenix: which Tassadar is going to show up? The one that got rated and F in his code A debut and just got 1-1-1 and had no chance in the up and downs or the one that made it to the code A finals.
Saddest Match: FXOLeenock vs SlayerSBoxer T_T_T_T_T__T_T I want both of them to be in teh up and downs
Prediction for up and downs 1. Ganzi 2. Naniwa 3. sC 4. DRG 5. Yoda (secretly hoping for TheBest to see the nerd rage) 6. Leenock 7. Jjakji 8. Marineking (Thorzain or Hack could get this through Marineking. Yugioh might be able to get it through Hack in the ro16 since hack looked kind of shaky vs Superstar and MKP has solid TvZ usually.)
I think it's absolutely silly that both sase and naniwa move to korea for a month to compete, but the brackets prevent even the possibility of both of them making the up and down matches.
On August 04 2011 01:48 DiaBoLuS wrote: i think all 3, nani/sase/thorzain, are slighly favourited in their matches. Fenix has a tough opponent, but everything is possible.
Not sure about the others, but I think Sase said on his stream that he flies over to Korea on August 9th, which means he'll be quite jetlagged if his match is the on next day. Based on that I don't think he is a favorite in his match.
On August 04 2011 01:48 DiaBoLuS wrote: i think all 3, nani/sase/thorzain, are slighly favourited in their matches. Fenix has a tough opponent, but everything is possible.
Not sure about the others, but I think Sase said on his stream that he flies over to Korea on August 9th, which means he'll be quite jetlagged if his match is the on next day. Based on that I don't think he is a favorite in his match.
Fenix is already there. They interviewed him on the Code A qualifier broadcast. Naniwa Thorzain and Sase fly in the day before their matches
On August 04 2011 01:48 DiaBoLuS wrote: i think all 3, nani/sase/thorzain, are slighly favourited in their matches. Fenix has a tough opponent, but everything is possible.
Not sure about the others, but I think Sase said on his stream that he flies over to Korea on August 9th, which means he'll be quite jetlagged if his match is the on next day. Based on that I don't think he is a favorite in his match.
All of them are It's going to be really hard.
Well all 3 Swedes anyway, Not sure when Fenix is due to arrive there.
Are the brackets predetermined by some kind of seed/ranking or random draw from the hat? Sucks about Sase/Nani having to face each other in the 2nd round... assuming they won their ro32's.
FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU ... Luvsic vs. Jjakji in the first round makes me a really sad panda... love oGs and Luvsic seemed both solid and funny (Chickens!) last season... But Jjakji is HELLA solid in the Korean weekly opens, so I want him (and expect him honestly...) to go through this round...
Go Nani go Thorzain. I'm gonna be honest, all these foreigners competing is gonna make this the most exciting code A ever. Now I know who to root for =)
Here is the source for any of you wondering http://esports.gomtv.com/gsl/community/view.gom?mbid=2&msgid=20001&p=1 Well DRG Ganzi and Boxer all made it back into code a without the free mlg seed =] I hope boxer can make it back into code S and Naniwa makes it into code S as well- that would be beastly.
so glad to see my faves (except fxo guys =(**** sorry slog/qxc/choya, FXO FIGHTING/HWaiting!) make it to code A, especially BoxeR, but why leenock first round! NUUUU
On August 04 2011 01:48 DiaBoLuS wrote: i think all 3, nani/sase/thorzain, are slighly favourited in their matches. Fenix has a tough opponent, but everything is possible.
Not sure about the others, but I think Sase said on his stream that he flies over to Korea on August 9th, which means he'll be quite jetlagged if his match is the on next day. Based on that I don't think he is a favorite in his match.
All of them are It's going to be really hard.
Well all 3 Swedes anyway, Not sure when Fenix is due to arrive there.
Wow very interesting matchups from the start. IncA will drop to Code A a few seasons after making it to the finals (though it's not too surprising) or DRG will go straight back to Code B. Boxer vs Leenock is concerning...
I think MKP can beat Hack and I think Maka can beat Dream, but I'm still worried about those two. Code A is looking great, especially with all the foreigners!
On August 04 2011 02:18 Dattish wrote: oh noes Thorzain gets his worst MU(according to himself some weeks ago) in the first match. At least Maka gets his best
What? Maka always got knocked out by TvT didn't he? He is kind of like Polt (not just because they look similar ). They both have good scores in TvP and TvZ but not TvT (though Polt's TvT record has gone up recently and Maka's isn't bad... but I always thought it was his worst).
That's what i think it will look like. Hoping that Jinro and Fenix can win though. Don't like Naniwa at all and hope Check wins as i always liked him back in the wc3 days. About Thorzain i don't know, i think YugiOh is too strong.
(A) FruitDealer vs Maru - FD has been pretty bad lately, but I don't know enough about Maru to go against FD in this one. Strong possibility that this could be a shock upset. (A) Banbanssu vs GanZi - The Count did not look good in the last season and Ganzi is coming off some strong tournament performances. I'm going with Ganzi here. (C) Yoda vs TheBest - This will be a volatile match I think. It'll depend a lot on whether or not Yoda being able to scout and defend all ins from TheBest. I know Wolf likes to say that TheBest is more than a one trick pony, but so far all the games I've seen him in where he tries to macro end pretty badly. I think Yoda has enough talent to get over the line, especially given he owns some wins against Top Terran players. (D) Luvsic vs Jjakji - The statistics here are pretty grim for Luvsic. His win rate versus Terran is quite dismal and Jjakji happens to be quite strong against Zerg. Also, Jjakji is from NSHoSeo who've been performing extremely well as a team lately and I'm going to stay on that trend until they begin to falter.
Second session
(B) sC vs Extreme - I don't see SC going out in the first round of Code A, and this is a good match up for him. I don't think Nextreme will be moving on. (B) Tails vs Taeja - I'm going to go with Taeja is this match. He's got some impressive Protoss scalps on his belt. (B) DongRaeGu vs InCa - I feel really sorry for Inca. He pulled the absolute worst match up. Not only is he bad vs Zerg, but he's also playing one of the fastest rising stars in Korea from any race. He'd have to practice his butt off and hope DRG has an off day to get through this with a win, unfortunately. (B) anypro vs JYP - I'm giving the edge to AnyPro here, but it's PvP so anything could happen.
August 9th
(C) Tassadar vs Fenix - I would like to see Fenix do well, but at the moment I don't know if I can go against a NSHoSeo player. This is especially true after Tassadar went all the way to the finals last season. The only worry for him is bouncing back from the disappointment of not making it into Code S. Also, funny that the two Protoss hero units are going at it. (D) MarineKing vs Hack - I don't see MKP going down to Code B. It's possible, but I don't think he's going to let that happen. He's been a little shaky as of late, but I think he'll pull through so John the Translator's wish can come true and he'll get MKP's sister's number... ;-D (C) BoxeR vs Leenock - Historically BoxeR is pretty terrible in TvZ, but he dismantled Idra pretty easily and his game has really rebounded after some pretty disappointing results over the last 3 tournaments. I like Leenock as well though, he's a very solid player and boasts a good ZvT record. I'm going to go with BoxeR though, haha. (C) Dream vs Maka - MakaPrime.WE returns!
August 10th
(D) Jinro vs Lucky - Both players boast pretty average records in this match up so it's hard to pick a winner. I'm going with Jinro though because he's a player who has a lot of talent but is in one hell of a slump at the moment. I'm gambling on him bouncing back into top form. (D)YuGiOh vs ThorZaIN - I like ThorZaIN, I think he's a really smart player who develops really specific builds for his match ups. He also boasts a strong record vs Zerg as well. That said, YuGiOh is a SlayerS player so he'll have plenty of top practice partners for this match. I'm still going to go with ThorZaIN though, he's really impressed me in the past and I'm hoping for a continuance of this. (A)SaSe vs Sniper - I really haven't seen too much of either player. I'm going to go with SaSe though. Coin tossed it. (A)Check vs NaNiwa - I think he's the strongest foreigner coming to South Korea for the Code A tournament. He continually shows strong play despite never taking a tournament. I think he's the one to watch, although ThorZaIN isn't far behind him. Sorry, but there won't be a Holy Check this time.
Inca: from code S finalist to Code B candidate. 15 terrans in Code A and 17 in Code S: as much as I like sc2 I don't think if I can stand seeing so many TvX
(D) Jinro vs Lucky (D)YuGiOh vs ThorZaIN (he can prepare) (A)SaSe vs Sniper (Sniper is on MVP) (A)Check vs NaNiwa (Check might have a chance, HuK only narrowly defeated him and HuK > Naniwa)
Fruitdealer should win the first round. Ganzi should roll Banbanssu easily. Not sure about Sase because I never watched him play nor have I watched Sniper play. Naniwa can take this but Check has been practicing a lot on ladder so this one is a coinflip.
sCfOu should win against Extreme Taeja should beat Tails if Tails do not practice hard enough and Taeja plays at his usual standards. DRG has a good chance of losing to InCa in my opinion. DRG might underestimate his opponent and slip but if he doesn't underestimate InCa, he will most likely win. No idea who JYP is so I do not kno who will win between anypro and JYP.
Tassadar will roll through Fenix. TheBest is going to beat Yoda. TheBest is underrated as fuck. Boxer will win against Leenock. He looks so solid and Leenock is overrated in my opinion. Dream should win against Maka, but this one is tricky because Maka probably has improved a ton since we last saw him. Dream showed very solid play during the up and downs.
Chances are, Jinro will also be knocked down into code B. He hasn't been playing well and I really think his time is over. Jjakji is very solid and will win against Luvsic. Thorzain has a good solid chance of advancing but I have not watched YugiOh play ZvT before so I am not too sure. Marineking will win if he manages to end the game before 15 minutes. If not, he is going to go back into code B. The only way he will win against Hack in a long game is if he either gets a huge early advantage or if he has drastically improved his late game management and macro.
I wake up to see .... BOXER MADE IT THROUGH THE QUALIFIERS. WHOOOOO!
Also, poor InCa. And Leenock got a bad draw. A little worried about MKP, but I think he has just enough to pull through. Meanwhile, FD might break my heart again - but I guess that's to be expected; his entire existence now seems to be centered on making me sadface.
No Rainbow or Soccer. Ah, well, that was a bit too much to hope for.
(D) Jinro vs Lucky (D)YuGiOh vs ThorZaIN (he can prepare) (A)SaSe vs Sniper (Sniper is on MVP) (A)Check vs NaNiwa (Check might have a chance, HuK only narrowly defeated him and HuK > Naniwa)
btw you said lusvic>jjaki and btw jjaki is the guy that all killed FXO and is quoted by nshoseo's coach to be there best players and they have insane players in their roster i mean they have sage,seal, tassadar all rising stars and also san who has proved himself as a code s player
On August 04 2011 02:25 sickoota wrote: People are underrating Check and overrating Naniwa. Nani could win but Check is definitely favored.
No he isnt, Naninwa is one of the best protoss in the world and check is a mediocre korean zerg, so hes a "decent" foreign zerg. He's going to get rolled, the only reason there should be any doubt in your mind is that Naniwa is going to be jet lagged.
(D) Jinro vs Lucky (D)YuGiOh vs ThorZaIN (he can prepare) (A)SaSe vs Sniper (Sniper is on MVP) (A)Check vs NaNiwa (Check might have a chance, HuK only narrowly defeated him and HuK > Naniwa)
btw you said lusvic>jjaki and btw jjaki is the guy that all killed FXO and is quoted by nshoseo's coach to be there best players and they have insane players in their roster i mean they have sage,seal, tassadar all rising stars and also san who has proved himself as a code s player
Not to mention he allways finishes extremely high in the Korean weeklies and won the first monthly final pretty convincingly with alot of Code S / Code A players in it.
On August 04 2011 02:25 sickoota wrote: People are underrating Check and overrating Naniwa. Nani could win but Check is definitely favored.
No he isnt, Naninwa is one of the best protoss in the world and check is a mediocre korean zerg, so hes a "decent" foreign zerg. He's going to get rolled, the only reason there should be any doubt in your mind is that Naniwa is going to be jet lagged.
I don't think he will be. He should be arriving in South Korea very soon and I think 1 week will be plenty of time to recover. Also, he should be used to travelling by now since he's attended multiple MLG events and done quite well.
(D) Jinro vs Lucky (D)YuGiOh vs ThorZaIN (he can prepare) (A)SaSe vs Sniper (Sniper is on MVP) (A)Check vs NaNiwa (Check might have a chance, HuK only narrowly defeated him and HuK > Naniwa)
btw you said lusvic>jjaki and btw jjaki is the guy that all killed FXO and is quoted by nshoseo's coach to be there best players and they have insane players in their roster i mean they have sage,seal, tassadar all rising stars and also san who has proved himself as a code s player
Not to mention he allways finishes extremely high in the Korean weeklies and won the first monthly final pretty convincingly with alot of Code S / Code A players in it.
Yeah, Jjakji is sick good. And if you look at TLPD, you'll see he has a 65% TvZ winrate, while Luvsic is sitting on a 14% ZvT record.
On August 04 2011 02:36 Swiftly wrote: btw you said lusvic>jjaki and btw jjaki is the guy that all killed FXO and is quoted by nshoseo's coach to be there best players and they have insane players in their roster i mean they have sage,seal, tassadar all rising stars and also san who has proved himself as a code s player
NSHoseo is the most overrated team right now. Basically the only player with results is San and he dropped out of Code S and A because he was average at best, pretty much demonstrating that he isn't/wasn't Code S quality. Jjakji looks to be their best from Korean Weekly and GSTL but it is way too early to call their team "insane players". Tassadar looked nothing more than an average random Korean toss. People just follow Artosis' hype like crazy..... I'll be pleasantly surprised on the day that we see Sage/Seal/et.al. get into Code A and actually show us how they are in Bo3, but for now all they have is Jjakji in my eyes.
Luvsic was quite impressive in his first Code A last tournament. I wouldn't be so quick to rule him out.
(A) FruitDealer vs Maru (A) Banbanssu vs GanZi (C) Yoda vs TheBest (D) Luvsic vs Jjakji (B) sC vs Extreme (B) Tails vs Taeja (B) DongRaeGu vs InCa (B) anypro vs JYP (C) Tassadar vs Fenix (D) MarineKing vs Hack (C) BoxeR vs Leenock (C) Dream vs Maka (D) Jinro vs Lucky (D)YuGiOh vs ThorZaIN (A)SaSe vs Sniper (A)Check vs NaNiwa
Once again, i'm happy with the layout of the bracket race-wise. Lotsa T's on the bottom half of the bracket and only 4 on the top half of the bracket. Hopefully on the top half we get some Z & P's to win and have a semi-balanced makeup even at the end of the tournament.
I bought my pass already, lets get this thing going!
every foreigner faces a ZERG, that will be a day of hating dat race! xD im happy... i will make it be my birthday
nevertheless, I'm quite displeased with the fact that foreigners play at one single day, couldn't not they fly earlier to prepare and get rid of jetlag... because if they lose with jetlag it will be so pathetic to fans
wow bunch of great games, really looking forward to:
(Z)DongRaeGu vs (P)InCa
(P)Tassadar vs (T)Fenix
(T)MarineKing vs (T)Hack
(T)BoxeR vs (Z)Leenock
(Z)YuGiOh vs (T)ThorZaIN
(Z)Check vs (P)NaNiwa
boxer vs leenock is the MUST WATCH. both great players, most likely epic games. boxer took out sheth and idra, two great zergs. interesting to see how leenock fairs. he's been really strong.
also wanna see how fenix does. tassadar is probably the favorite, but i hope fenix can upset.
On August 04 2011 02:36 Swiftly wrote: btw you said lusvic>jjaki and btw jjaki is the guy that all killed FXO and is quoted by nshoseo's coach to be there best players and they have insane players in their roster i mean they have sage,seal, tassadar all rising stars and also san who has proved himself as a code s player
Basically the only player with results is San and he dropped out of Code S and A because he was average at best, pretty much demonstrating that he isn't/wasn't Code S quality. Jjakji looks to be their best from Korean Weekly and GSTL but it is way too early to call their team "insane players". Tassadar looked nothing more than an average random Korean toss. People just follow Artosis' hype like crazy..... I'll be pleasantly surprised on the day that we see Sage/Seal/et.al. get into Code A and actually show us how they are in Bo3, but for now all they have is Jjakji in my eyes.
Luvsic was quite impressive in his first Code A last tournament. I wouldn't be so quick to rule him out.
I will say that a lot of teams have underestimated NSHoSeo to their own peril, but I think that the longer their run goes on in the GSTL the more we have to believe that they're the real deal. From now on I don't think any team is going to take them lightly (except maybe StarTale because their Coach seems to be arrogant as hell and thinks Bomber can pull his ass out of the fire whenever he needs him). The thing is, it's not like they've gone on this run with tight wins or some luck, their players have consistently played extremely solid games with little to no mistakes.
I think you might be right say they're a little overrated, but that doesn't erase what they've done or how they've gone about achieving their wins.
Luvsic was quite impressive in his first Code A last tournament. I wouldn't be so quick to rule him out.
ehhh i wasn't impressed at all with Luvsic in last months GSL Code A .Played pretty stranged and made a buttload of mistakes . In his appearences in the SK Champions Trophies he also got owned superhard. I think Luvsic would be the underdog in most of the matches . don't think he's that good.
(A) FruitDealer vs Maru (A) Banbanssu vs GanZi (C) Yoda vs TheBest (D) Luvsic vs Jjakji
(B) sC vs Extreme (B) Tails vs Taeja (B) DongRaeGu vs InCa (B) anypro vs JYP
August 9th
(C) Tassadar vs Fenix (D) MarineKing vs Hack (C) BoxeR vs Leenock (C) Dream vs Maka
(D) Jinro vs Lucky (D)YuGiOh vs ThorZaIN (A)SaSe vs Sniper (A)Check vs NaNiwa
Most of the foreigners have compatible opponents so they should be able to win it. -DRG will absolutely roll inca into code B. -Cant wait for Boxer to dominate leenock but its a tricky one. My confidence vote is with boxer but leenock is a boss and can kick the emperor out -jinro is an oddball. I wont be surprized if he loses but i hope he doesnt cos that wud almost certainly demotivate him and send him back to sweden -MKP gonna have a run for his money with hack. sucks to see 2 good players face of in R1.
Euh i was rooting rather for Leenock, he's code S material in my book + he's Zerg .., Then he faces Boxer of the bet, man hard to root for either, i'll just be a pussy and say may the best win.
Also Nani, hoping him to do well, and honestly i hope so much he stays in korea like Huk/Jinro. Gsl needs a fresh Protoss, Nani is that person he's got skill dedication and the drive now i hope he get's the opertunity aswell.
On August 04 2011 02:36 Swiftly wrote: btw you said lusvic>jjaki and btw jjaki is the guy that all killed FXO and is quoted by nshoseo's coach to be there best players and they have insane players in their roster i mean they have sage,seal, tassadar all rising stars and also san who has proved himself as a code s player
Basically the only player with results is San and he dropped out of Code S and A because he was average at best, pretty much demonstrating that he isn't/wasn't Code S quality. Jjakji looks to be their best from Korean Weekly and GSTL but it is way too early to call their team "insane players". Tassadar looked nothing more than an average random Korean toss. People just follow Artosis' hype like crazy..... I'll be pleasantly surprised on the day that we see Sage/Seal/et.al. get into Code A and actually show us how they are in Bo3, but for now all they have is Jjakji in my eyes.
Luvsic was quite impressive in his first Code A last tournament. I wouldn't be so quick to rule him out.
I will say that a lot of teams have underestimated NSHoSeo to their own peril, but I think that the longer their run goes on in the GSTL the more we have to believe that they're the real deal. From now on I don't think any team is going to take them lightly (except maybe StarTale because their Coach seems to be arrogant as hell and thinks Bomber can pull his ass out of the fire whenever he needs him). The thing is, it's not like they've gone on this run with tight wins or some luck, their players have consistently played extremely solid games with little to no mistakes.
I think you might be right say they're a little overrated, but that doesn't erase what they've done or how they've gone about achieving their wins.
If StarTale's coach is arrogant, I can't help but wonder what you think of IM's coach after that fiasco that was IM vs. FXO.
On August 04 2011 02:46 Megatronn wrote: If inca cheeses DRG out I can't imagine the hate he is going to get.
Haha. DRG has some of the most intense/one eyed fans. I loved it when Rain dropped out from Code S and people immediately said that DRG should automatically get his spot.
Anyway, I don't know why people hate cheese so much. It's a high risk, high reward tactic and the player who committing to the cheese knows that. It's as much the "fault" of the player who doesn't pick up on the cheese and defend it properly.
On August 04 2011 02:25 sickoota wrote: People are underrating Check and overrating Naniwa. Nani could win but Check is definitely favored.
No he isnt, Naninwa is one of the best protoss in the world and check is a mediocre korean zerg, so hes a "decent" foreign zerg. He's going to get rolled, the only reason there should be any doubt in your mind is that Naniwa is going to be jet lagged.
Naniwa is nowhere near a best Protoss in the world. Where have you ever got any indication that Nani can compete with Koreans atm (aside from PvP which is an entirely different animal). He got easily 2-0d by Moon at Dreamhack, and Check is much better than Moon. Guess there's nothing much to do but wait for the match but my money is 100% on Check, sry. Give him a couple seasons and Nani will start to be competitive but he's not good enough right now to make a deep run.
On August 04 2011 02:36 Swiftly wrote: btw you said lusvic>jjaki and btw jjaki is the guy that all killed FXO and is quoted by nshoseo's coach to be there best players and they have insane players in their roster i mean they have sage,seal, tassadar all rising stars and also san who has proved himself as a code s player
Basically the only player with results is San and he dropped out of Code S and A because he was average at best, pretty much demonstrating that he isn't/wasn't Code S quality. Jjakji looks to be their best from Korean Weekly and GSTL but it is way too early to call their team "insane players". Tassadar looked nothing more than an average random Korean toss. People just follow Artosis' hype like crazy..... I'll be pleasantly surprised on the day that we see Sage/Seal/et.al. get into Code A and actually show us how they are in Bo3, but for now all they have is Jjakji in my eyes.
Luvsic was quite impressive in his first Code A last tournament. I wouldn't be so quick to rule him out.
I will say that a lot of teams have underestimated NSHoSeo to their own peril, but I think that the longer their run goes on in the GSTL the more we have to believe that they're the real deal. From now on I don't think any team is going to take them lightly (except maybe StarTale because their Coach seems to be arrogant as hell and thinks Bomber can pull his ass out of the fire whenever he needs him). The thing is, it's not like they've gone on this run with tight wins or some luck, their players have consistently played extremely solid games with little to no mistakes.
I think you might be right say they're a little overrated, but that doesn't erase what they've done or how they've gone about achieving their wins.
If StarTale's coach is arrogant, I can't help but wonder what you think of IM's coach after that fiasco that was IM vs. FXO.
That wasn't good for IM, I'll agree with you on that. But then again, IM only had that one instance, I've seen 2-3 TL games where the StarTale coach basically said he doesn't think the opposition is going to challenge his team and he can always use Bomber at the end to win if he really needs him. Plus, he lets July get away with terrible creep spread which I can't imagine many other coaches would allow to continually occur.
FruitDealer vs Maru (although I still like FruitDealer for his GSL1 run, I just don't think he's good enough to stay in GSL much longer) Banbanssu vs GanZi Yoda vs TheBest Luvsic vs Jjakji sC vs Extreme Tails vs Taeja DongRaeGu vs InCa anypro vs JYP (anypro is overrated in my opinion) Tassadar vs Fenix (haven't seen a whole lot from Fenix lately, but I don't think he can take on Tassadar) MarineKing vs Hack (not sure on this one, but I could see Hack winning this) BoxeR vs Leenock (this will be sad, no matter who wins ) Dream vs Maka Jinro vs Lucky YuGiOh vs ThorZaIN SaSe vs Sniper Check vs NaNiwa
I'm obviously biased towards foreigners. But I think everyone expect for Fenix at least has a chance to win.
Damn Boxer Leenock should be semis at least. The foreigners look pretty favorable over their opponents except for the case of Fenix. Check v Naniwa might be close but Nani will pull through I think. DRG will crush Inca :D
On August 04 2011 02:25 sickoota wrote: People are underrating Check and overrating Naniwa. Nani could win but Check is definitely favored.
No he isnt, Naninwa is one of the best protoss in the world and check is a mediocre korean zerg, so hes a "decent" foreign zerg. He's going to get rolled, the only reason there should be any doubt in your mind is that Naniwa is going to be jet lagged.
Naniwa is nowhere near a best Protoss in the world. Where have you ever got any indication that Nani can compete with Koreans atm (aside from PvP which is an entirely different animal). He got easily 2-0d by Moon at Dreamhack, and Check is much better than Moon. Guess there's nothing much to do but wait for the match but my money is 100% on Check, sry. Give him a couple seasons and Nani will start to be competitive but he's not good enough right now to make a deep run.
While I agree that Naniwa is not the best Protoss in the world, he's not as bad as you think. Naniwa is a level above most foreigners. He consistently places high in foreign tournaments. Of course, this doesn't mean that he'll just win Code A straight away, but he has the potential for some upsets in Code A.
On August 04 2011 02:57 mprs wrote: Naniwa is the best Protoss not practicing in Korea.
Check is within his beatable threshold.
I think this is pretty true in this case. Naniwa mentioned at the HomeStory Cup that he thinks he'll learn a lot in Korea since he doesn't get much of a challenge in Europe anymore. He's got the higher up side by far compared to Check who's sat at a pretty constant level for most of SC2.
On August 04 2011 02:36 Swiftly wrote: btw you said lusvic>jjaki and btw jjaki is the guy that all killed FXO and is quoted by nshoseo's coach to be there best players and they have insane players in their roster i mean they have sage,seal, tassadar all rising stars and also san who has proved himself as a code s player
Basically the only player with results is San and he dropped out of Code S and A because he was average at best, pretty much demonstrating that he isn't/wasn't Code S quality. Jjakji looks to be their best from Korean Weekly and GSTL but it is way too early to call their team "insane players". Tassadar looked nothing more than an average random Korean toss. People just follow Artosis' hype like crazy..... I'll be pleasantly surprised on the day that we see Sage/Seal/et.al. get into Code A and actually show us how they are in Bo3, but for now all they have is Jjakji in my eyes.
Luvsic was quite impressive in his first Code A last tournament. I wouldn't be so quick to rule him out.
I will say that a lot of teams have underestimated NSHoSeo to their own peril, but I think that the longer their run goes on in the GSTL the more we have to believe that they're the real deal. From now on I don't think any team is going to take them lightly (except maybe StarTale because their Coach seems to be arrogant as hell and thinks Bomber can pull his ass out of the fire whenever he needs him). The thing is, it's not like they've gone on this run with tight wins or some luck, their players have consistently played extremely solid games with little to no mistakes.
I think you might be right say they're a little overrated, but that doesn't erase what they've done or how they've gone about achieving their wins.
If StarTale's coach is arrogant, I can't help but wonder what you think of IM's coach after that fiasco that was IM vs. FXO.
That wasn't good for IM, I'll agree with you on that. But then again, IM only had that one instance, I've seen 2-3 TL games where the StarTale coach basically said he doesn't think the opposition is going to challenge his team and he can always use Bomber at the end to win if he really needs him. Plus, he lets July get away with terrible creep spread which I can't imagine many other coaches would allow to continually occur.
Well, to be fair, Bomber is their ace, and he's on a team that is deep but not that deep. After Bomber, you have July (who is easy to snipe), and then you have ... Ace and Squirtle, I guess, but they're not that great, as much as I do like them. I mean, what are you going to say? "Well, if the opponent's doing well, we'll just send out Bomber and hope we don't roll over and die" doesn't sound very confident to me, and I'd be worried if a coach said that before a teamleague match.
Not to mention, Choya pretty much thinks the same way. "If we're in any trouble, I'll just send out sC to all-kill the other team." And MVP, the one man team, functions exactly in that manner (and I'm sure the MVP coach thinks like that simply because it works, lol).
July's creep spread does make me a sad panda though.
On August 04 2011 02:25 sickoota wrote: People are underrating Check and overrating Naniwa. Nani could win but Check is definitely favored.
No he isnt, Naninwa is one of the best protoss in the world and check is a mediocre korean zerg, so hes a "decent" foreign zerg. He's going to get rolled, the only reason there should be any doubt in your mind is that Naniwa is going to be jet lagged.
Naniwa is nowhere near a best Protoss in the world. Where have you ever got any indication that Nani can compete with Koreans atm (aside from PvP which is an entirely different animal). He got easily 2-0d by Moon at Dreamhack, and Check is much better than Moon. Guess there's nothing much to do but wait for the match but my money is 100% on Check, sry. Give him a couple seasons and Nani will start to be competitive but he's not good enough right now to make a deep run.
While I agree that Naniwa is not the best Protoss in the world, he's not as bad as you think. Naniwa is a level above most foreigners. He consistently places high in foreign tournaments. Of course, this doesn't mean that he'll just win Code A straight away, but he has the potential for some upsets in Code A.
I think Naniwa is the best foreigner right now. He could beat anyone he want tbh, he 2-1 IdrA easily in MLG, place highest as non-korean in that MLG too.
On August 04 2011 02:36 Swiftly wrote: btw you said lusvic>jjaki and btw jjaki is the guy that all killed FXO and is quoted by nshoseo's coach to be there best players and they have insane players in their roster i mean they have sage,seal, tassadar all rising stars and also san who has proved himself as a code s player
Basically the only player with results is San and he dropped out of Code S and A because he was average at best, pretty much demonstrating that he isn't/wasn't Code S quality. Jjakji looks to be their best from Korean Weekly and GSTL but it is way too early to call their team "insane players". Tassadar looked nothing more than an average random Korean toss. People just follow Artosis' hype like crazy..... I'll be pleasantly surprised on the day that we see Sage/Seal/et.al. get into Code A and actually show us how they are in Bo3, but for now all they have is Jjakji in my eyes.
Luvsic was quite impressive in his first Code A last tournament. I wouldn't be so quick to rule him out.
I will say that a lot of teams have underestimated NSHoSeo to their own peril, but I think that the longer their run goes on in the GSTL the more we have to believe that they're the real deal. From now on I don't think any team is going to take them lightly (except maybe StarTale because their Coach seems to be arrogant as hell and thinks Bomber can pull his ass out of the fire whenever he needs him). The thing is, it's not like they've gone on this run with tight wins or some luck, their players have consistently played extremely solid games with little to no mistakes.
I think you might be right say they're a little overrated, but that doesn't erase what they've done or how they've gone about achieving their wins.
If StarTale's coach is arrogant, I can't help but wonder what you think of IM's coach after that fiasco that was IM vs. FXO.
New guys of IM got xp in the booth nothing wrong with it, why is that arrogant it's not like QXC was a code S champion. QXC played like he never did before and i doubt he ever will do so again. It's true IM did not expect that (but who did ?) but i am sure they would not be mad if they lost anyway, they took that opertunity to use the new guys the greens so they develop mentaly. And they did, there is no doubt they will move on to the next round, IM is the best team in the world.
On August 04 2011 02:36 Swiftly wrote: btw you said lusvic>jjaki and btw jjaki is the guy that all killed FXO and is quoted by nshoseo's coach to be there best players and they have insane players in their roster i mean they have sage,seal, tassadar all rising stars and also san who has proved himself as a code s player
Basically the only player with results is San and he dropped out of Code S and A because he was average at best, pretty much demonstrating that he isn't/wasn't Code S quality. Jjakji looks to be their best from Korean Weekly and GSTL but it is way too early to call their team "insane players". Tassadar looked nothing more than an average random Korean toss. People just follow Artosis' hype like crazy..... I'll be pleasantly surprised on the day that we see Sage/Seal/et.al. get into Code A and actually show us how they are in Bo3, but for now all they have is Jjakji in my eyes.
Luvsic was quite impressive in his first Code A last tournament. I wouldn't be so quick to rule him out.
I will say that a lot of teams have underestimated NSHoSeo to their own peril, but I think that the longer their run goes on in the GSTL the more we have to believe that they're the real deal. From now on I don't think any team is going to take them lightly (except maybe StarTale because their Coach seems to be arrogant as hell and thinks Bomber can pull his ass out of the fire whenever he needs him). The thing is, it's not like they've gone on this run with tight wins or some luck, their players have consistently played extremely solid games with little to no mistakes.
I think you might be right say they're a little overrated, but that doesn't erase what they've done or how they've gone about achieving their wins.
If StarTale's coach is arrogant, I can't help but wonder what you think of IM's coach after that fiasco that was IM vs. FXO.
New guys of IM got xp in the booth nothing wrong with it, why is that arrogant it's not like QXC was a code S champion. QXC played like he never did before and i doubt he ever will do so again. It's true IM did not expect that (but who did ?) but i am sure they would not be mad if they lost anyway, they took that opertunity to use the new guys the greens so they develop mentaly. And they did, there is no doubt they will move on to the next round, IM is the best team in the world.
Nahhh, it was pretty arrogant to send out the third guy, and I really don't think you can argue otherwise. Sending out two people at the front who need experience is fine. Sending out three when you're two down? Not a good decision. The coach thought that MVP could clean up and he didn't.
Not saying that he's a bad coach, but that was definitely bad coaching decision brought on by a hefty dose of overconfidence.
On August 04 2011 02:25 sickoota wrote: People are underrating Check and overrating Naniwa. Nani could win but Check is definitely favored.
No he isnt, Naninwa is one of the best protoss in the world and check is a mediocre korean zerg, so hes a "decent" foreign zerg. He's going to get rolled, the only reason there should be any doubt in your mind is that Naniwa is going to be jet lagged.
Naniwa is nowhere near a best Protoss in the world. Where have you ever got any indication that Nani can compete with Koreans atm (aside from PvP which is an entirely different animal). He got easily 2-0d by Moon at Dreamhack, and Check is much better than Moon. Guess there's nothing much to do but wait for the match but my money is 100% on Check, sry. Give him a couple seasons and Nani will start to be competitive but he's not good enough right now to make a deep run.
While I agree that Naniwa is not the best Protoss in the world, he's not as bad as you think. Naniwa is a level above most foreigners. He consistently places high in foreign tournaments. Of course, this doesn't mean that he'll just win Code A straight away, but he has the potential for some upsets in Code A.
I think Naniwa is the best foreigner right now. He could beat anyone he want tbh, he 2-1 IdrA easily in MLG, place highest as non-korean in that MLG too.
Sen would like to have a word with you about being the best foreigner. And, really, is 2-1ing IdrA really indicative of anything these days?
like why leenock vs boxer first round... leenock has the worst luck...but i think leenock will win second session is stacked and you guys actually haven't seen JYP replays, he is gosu like puma, watch him as an upcoming code s player fruitdealer pls dont lose to 12yr old kid...
(Z)FruitDealer vs (Z)Maru (P)Banbanssu vs (T)GanZi (P)SaSe vs (Z)Sniper (Z)Check vs (P)NaNiwa
(T)sC vs (P)Extreme Tails vs (T)Taeja (Z)DongRaeGu vs (P)InCa (P)anypro vs (P)JYP
(T)Tassadar vs (T)Fenix (T)Yoda vs (T)TheBest (T)BoxeR vs (Z)Leenock (either one in out of code a?!?!?!?!) (P)DreAm vs (T)Maka (T)Jinro vs (Z)Lucky (Z)Luvsic vs (T)Jjakji (Z)YuGiOh vs (T)ThorZaIN (P)MarineKing vs (T)Hack
On August 04 2011 03:11 yiodee wrote: Am I the only one sad that the 3 foreigners are in the same side of the bracket? I mean 3 out of a group of 8, really gomtv?
I hope they all make it into code A even if the tournament design doesn't allow it :D
I think Naniwa can make it to the Ro8 and Thorzain will make to the Ro16 but then MKP/Hack is his next opponent. Jinro and Sase might win their first games but I don't think Fenix stands a chance.
I think some people in this thread are too optimistic about how foreigners will do in this GSL Code A. Its the Koreans we are talking about here, I see a slim chance for more than 2 foreigners get past the first round.
(Z)FruitDealer vs (Z)Maru (P)Banbanssu vs (T)GanZi (P)SaSe vs (Z)Sniper (Z)Check vs (P)NaNiwa
(T)sC vs (P)Extreme Tails vs (T)Taeja (Z)DongRaeGu vs (P)InCa (P)anypro vs (P)JYP
(T)Tassadar vs (T)Fenix (T)Yoda vs (T)TheBest (T)BoxeR vs (Z)Leenock (either one in out of code a?!?!?!?!) (P)DreAm vs (T)Maka (T)Jinro vs (Z)Lucky (Z)Luvsic vs (T)Jjakji (Z)YuGiOh vs (T)ThorZaIN (P)MarineKing vs (T)Hack
On August 04 2011 03:32 KillAudio wrote: It will be huge if Thorzain knocks MKP out of GSL.
He can't knock him out because they wouldn't play in the first round. If Thorzain and MKP meet in Round 2, which is possible, they both have guaranteed Code A spots for the following season already. They would be playing for a spot in the up/down matches.
On August 04 2011 02:46 Megatronn wrote: If inca cheeses DRG out I can't imagine the hate he is going to get.
TheBest cheesing DRG would be even better but sadly they don't play in the first round so it wouldn't matter.
DRG is about as cheeseproof as Zerg's come. He's very good about scouting/defending.
lol this. You shouldn't be worried about drg getting cheesed as his early game is his strongest point. You should be more worried about a macro game haha
On August 04 2011 03:36 Tobon wrote: Nearly deserving of $10 million or death polls, they are so favored: GanZi, DongRaeGu, Tassadar (sorry Fenix, I want you to win!), Jjakji.
On August 04 2011 03:22 Caphe wrote: I think some people in this thread are too optimistic about how foreigners will do in this GSL Code A. Its the Koreans we are talking about here, I see a slim chance for more than 2 foreigners get past the first round.
It's code A we're talking about. Jinro even managed a win last time around, and he's been getting pummeled at foreigner tournaments.
Tassadar versus Fenix will be an epic battle which'll end up being a 2-1 in Tassadar's favor.
Fenix'll die to a hydra rush, going 0-1 Tassadar will die suiciding all his units into a giant eyeball, going 1-1 In the last game, Fenix'll fight off a 200/200 zerg army with a lone dragoon until Tassadar arises from the dead using a 3/3 Plot Device, utterly destroying Fenix and any relevance he might have to the universe of Starcraft.
I understand the whole Leenock vs BoxeR ruckus (hoping for a BoxeR victory here, ofc) but the same situation applies (for me) to SlayerS YuGiOh vs Thorzain... I don't want either to lose!
On August 04 2011 03:22 Caphe wrote: I think some people in this thread are too optimistic about how foreigners will do in this GSL Code A. Its the Koreans we are talking about here, I see a slim chance for more than 2 foreigners get past the first round.
It's code A we're talking about. Jinro even managed a win last time around, and he's been getting pummeled at foreigner tournaments.
You failed to notice that Jinro is in Korea and probably prepare specially for his first match very well last time. While 3 of the foreigners will just get to Korea the day before their match. I'd put my bet on Jinro and Thorzain and if we are really lucky, we can get another one thru the first round.
On August 04 2011 03:22 Caphe wrote: I think some people in this thread are too optimistic about how foreigners will do in this GSL Code A. Its the Koreans we are talking about here, I see a slim chance for more than 2 foreigners get past the first round.
It's code A we're talking about. Jinro even managed a win last time around, and he's been getting pummeled at foreigner tournaments.
1 GSL winner, a two time finalist, a one time finalist, drg, boxer, the TSL 3 winner, a MLG winner, as well as sase who has done well in the foreign scene. Yeah, just code A; easy mode. That's not even mentioning sC, anypro, tassadar, or leenock
Naniwa is the best. Thorzain is pretty equal to SaSe but more favoured because he is a terran. Jinro has not been practicing very much lately & Fenix is lacking in skill.
IK i posted a prediction thing way back, but I'm posting my bets for the RO16 on. RO16: GanZi vs Maru SaSe vs NaNiwa sC vs Taeja DRG vs JYP Tassadar vs YoDa Dream vs BoxeR Jinro vs Luvsic ThorZaiN vs Hack RO8: GanZi vs NaNiwa sC vs DRG YoDa vs Dream Luvsic vs ThorZaiN RO4: sC vs NaNiwa Dream vs Luvsic Final: sC vs Dream I may be being a little optimistic for Dream here, but what can I do. ofc, I'm hoping for a Maru vs Dream final, but it's not going to happen
August 10th eh? I'm putting a huge WATCH GSL in my calendar on that day^^ However... it's impossible now for more than 2 swedes to get to up&down? That blows. Gotta say this is unfair. Code A random seed vs mlg royal treatment... seems a bit lopsided to me.
On August 04 2011 04:13 KoTakUEurO wrote: IK i posted a prediction thing way back, but I'm posting my bets for the RO16 on. RO16: GanZi vs Maru SaSe vs NaNiwa sC vs Taeja DRG vs JYP Tassadar vs YoDa Dream vs BoxeR Jinro vs Luvsic ThorZaiN vs Hack RO8: GanZi vs NaNiwa sC vs DRG YoDa vs Dream Luvsic vs ThorZaiN RO4: sC vs NaNiwa Dream vs ThorZaiN Final: sC vs Dream I may be being a little optimistic for Dream here, but what can I do. ofc, I'm hoping for a Maru vs Dream final, but it's not going to happen
Cool but how is Thorzain in the Semi-Finals if he apparently loses in the Ro8? and this final won't happen Dream can't take down Yoda the TvT sniper.
whoa, Boxer gets a tough matchup to start... but if he gets through he could have a veritable flood of TvT right up to the finals....
and I think only Naniwa has the best shot at getting through. I would also include SaSe but it's his worst matchup against an unknown quantity; tough to plan for those games.
On August 04 2011 04:24 Sdres wrote: Why does almost everyone think MKP gonna 2-0 Hack? Hack is damn good and has shown very very good results latley, atleast compared to MKP..
MKP is a fan-favorite. I personally think MKP's in a spot of trouble if he hasn't solved his identity crisis yet, because Hack is pretty damn solid and his TvT could be a killer. That said, sometimes his banshees are hijacked by TheBest. =/
I hope Naniwa and Tzain do well but the schedule appears to be pretty rough. Coming in with little to no prep time + jet lag from the Bnet EU invitational makes me think they will all lose in the first round. If they can get beyond that I think their chances actually improve.
Would love to seem them go far though obviously, HuK is lonely in code-S!
On August 04 2011 04:28 ThanksALot wrote: I hope Naniwa and Tzain do well but the schedule appears to be pretty rough. Coming in with little to no prep time + jet lag from the Bnet EU invitational makes me think they will all lose in the first round. If they can get beyond that I think their chances actually improve.
Would love to seem them go far though obviously, HuK is lonely in code-S!
They also got their weakest match up (vs Zerg). Sase too.
On August 04 2011 04:13 KoTakUEurO wrote: IK i posted a prediction thing way back, but I'm posting my bets for the RO16 on. RO16: GanZi vs Maru SaSe vs NaNiwa sC vs Taeja DRG vs JYP Tassadar vs YoDa Dream vs BoxeR Jinro vs Luvsic ThorZaiN vs Hack RO8: GanZi vs NaNiwa sC vs DRG YoDa vs Dream Luvsic vs ThorZaiN RO4: sC vs NaNiwa Dream vs ThorZaiN Final: sC vs Dream I may be being a little optimistic for Dream here, but what can I do. ofc, I'm hoping for a Maru vs Dream final, but it's not going to happen
Cool but how is Thorzain in the Semi-Finals if he apparently loses in the Ro8? and this final won't happen Dream can't take down Yoda the TvT sniper.
oh lol edited that ya this prob isn't going to happen but Dream has so much potential and his TvT vs Happy was great. and Happy is a TvT specialist from what I've seen
On August 04 2011 04:24 Sdres wrote: Why does almost everyone think MKP gonna 2-0 Hack? Hack is damn good and has shown very very good results latley, atleast compared to MKP..
most ppl have a sweet spot for MKP, hes a fan favorite. tbh, if MKP doesn't smarten up, hes going to be barely edged out of Code A by Hack
Lol leenock is playing against what boxer used all day long...because it's the go to build in Korea so I really don't get why you people think boxer has any chance against the ZvT beast which leenock is...just saying that everyone will cry that the emperor is out of code A again.
On August 04 2011 04:24 Sdres wrote: Why does almost everyone think MKP gonna 2-0 Hack? Hack is damn good and has shown very very good results latley, atleast compared to MKP..
Because Mvp was slumping hard in TvT but adapted to the new trend and raped everyone in MLG, and him and MKP trains a lot together, so it's expected that MKP has solved his TvT issue (and it's bo3 lol). Plus he is a fan favorite.
On August 04 2011 02:36 Swiftly wrote: btw you said lusvic>jjaki and btw jjaki is the guy that all killed FXO and is quoted by nshoseo's coach to be there best players and they have insane players in their roster i mean they have sage,seal, tassadar all rising stars and also san who has proved himself as a code s player
Basically the only player with results is San and he dropped out of Code S and A because he was average at best, pretty much demonstrating that he isn't/wasn't Code S quality. Jjakji looks to be their best from Korean Weekly and GSTL but it is way too early to call their team "insane players". Tassadar looked nothing more than an average random Korean toss. People just follow Artosis' hype like crazy..... I'll be pleasantly surprised on the day that we see Sage/Seal/et.al. get into Code A and actually show us how they are in Bo3, but for now all they have is Jjakji in my eyes.
Luvsic was quite impressive in his first Code A last tournament. I wouldn't be so quick to rule him out.
I will say that a lot of teams have underestimated NSHoSeo to their own peril, but I think that the longer their run goes on in the GSTL the more we have to believe that they're the real deal. From now on I don't think any team is going to take them lightly (except maybe StarTale because their Coach seems to be arrogant as hell and thinks Bomber can pull his ass out of the fire whenever he needs him). The thing is, it's not like they've gone on this run with tight wins or some luck, their players have consistently played extremely solid games with little to no mistakes.
I think you might be right say they're a little overrated, but that doesn't erase what they've done or how they've gone about achieving their wins.
If StarTale's coach is arrogant, I can't help but wonder what you think of IM's coach after that fiasco that was IM vs. FXO.
New guys of IM got xp in the booth nothing wrong with it, why is that arrogant it's not like QXC was a code S champion. QXC played like he never did before and i doubt he ever will do so again. It's true IM did not expect that (but who did ?) but i am sure they would not be mad if they lost anyway, they took that opertunity to use the new guys the greens so they develop mentaly. And they did, there is no doubt they will move on to the next round, IM is the best team in the world.
Nahhh, it was pretty arrogant to send out the third guy, and I really don't think you can argue otherwise. Sending out two people at the front who need experience is fine. Sending out three when you're two down? Not a good decision. The coach thought that MVP could clean up and he didn't.
Not saying that he's a bad coach, but that was definitely bad coaching decision brought on by a hefty dose of overconfidence.
On August 04 2011 02:25 sickoota wrote: People are underrating Check and overrating Naniwa. Nani could win but Check is definitely favored.
No he isnt, Naninwa is one of the best protoss in the world and check is a mediocre korean zerg, so hes a "decent" foreign zerg. He's going to get rolled, the only reason there should be any doubt in your mind is that Naniwa is going to be jet lagged.
Naniwa is nowhere near a best Protoss in the world. Where have you ever got any indication that Nani can compete with Koreans atm (aside from PvP which is an entirely different animal). He got easily 2-0d by Moon at Dreamhack, and Check is much better than Moon. Guess there's nothing much to do but wait for the match but my money is 100% on Check, sry. Give him a couple seasons and Nani will start to be competitive but he's not good enough right now to make a deep run.
While I agree that Naniwa is not the best Protoss in the world, he's not as bad as you think. Naniwa is a level above most foreigners. He consistently places high in foreign tournaments. Of course, this doesn't mean that he'll just win Code A straight away, but he has the potential for some upsets in Code A.
I think Naniwa is the best foreigner right now. He could beat anyone he want tbh, he 2-1 IdrA easily in MLG, place highest as non-korean in that MLG too.
Sen would like to have a word with you about being the best foreigner. And, really, is 2-1ing IdrA really indicative of anything these days?
Well in this case at least Nani has some result, better than Sen has never won anything beside rank 3 in NASL right?
On August 04 2011 04:58 Micket wrote: Guys, Tassadar vs Fenix... The undead Protosses. Fenix was killed by Kerrigan, who lost to Tassadar, who destroyed the overmind. So Tassadar>fenix?
Tassadar was probably the most powerful SC character in the series anyway.
And I don't think Kerrigan and Tassadar ever fought. It was just a hallucination of him.
Anyway, really looking forward to see Nani tare some shit up. Get em Nani!
On August 04 2011 05:06 RaiKageRyu wrote: Oh my god... Boxer draws Leenock first round.... T_T
Yeah, unlucky for BoxeR but at least DRG gets a freebie ><
Just watch InCa somehow beat DRG.
Imagine the pitchforks.
It wasn't even Inca beating leenock. It was leenock losing to Inca. That was the ONE televised PvZ that inca won. Sorry to inca, but unless he's improved 10fold pvz since then, DRG is going to roll him.
I'm so torn between rooting for leenock and rooting for boxer, who has shown incredible form as of late.
On August 04 2011 06:20 redFF wrote: You guys underestimate Leenock, if anything I feel for Boxer...
I think most people expect Leenock to win tbh, the issue is that he's knocking out BOXER. That makes him unlucky. Knocking out boxer is almost as bad (sometimes as bad or worse) than knocking out a foriegner.
Leenock practices TvZ with sCfOu and MarineKingPrime. Those 2 are easily in the top 5 of best TvZ players on the planet (yes MKP has recently been slumping, but he always gets mentioned as one of the scariest and most skilled players in interviews (by DRG and sC for example)
He kicks serious butt at ZvT, and I think he's the favorite going in, seeing as how he's a ZvT specialist with a rock-solid early game (which is THE area BoxeR is going to try and get an advantage in), compared to BoxeR who has never had too much success in TvZ, only really beating foreign Zergs and being 2-9 in TvZ in Korea.
On August 04 2011 06:20 redFF wrote: You guys underestimate Leenock, if anything I feel for Boxer...
I think most people expect Leenock to win tbh, the issue is that he's knocking out BOXER. That makes him unlucky. Knocking out boxer is almost as bad (sometimes as bad or worse) than knocking out a foriegner.
and while knocking out boxer is almost as bad as knocking out a foreigner, knocking out boxer is always worse than losing.
On August 04 2011 06:20 redFF wrote: You guys underestimate Leenock, if anything I feel for Boxer...
I think most people expect Leenock to win tbh, the issue is that he's knocking out BOXER. That makes him unlucky. Knocking out boxer is almost as bad (sometimes as bad or worse) than knocking out a foriegner.
and while knocking out boxer is almost as bad as knocking out a foreigner, knocking out boxer is always worse than losing.
You just can't win when you're up against the Emperor. Doomed to failure one way or another.
Aww man. Looks like Inca is gonna drop down to Code B EDIT: BoxeR vs Leenock first round, NOOO... Leenock is gonna take it, but who knows. And I want both of them in Code A..
On August 04 2011 06:37 ShootingStars wrote: hope leenock beats boxer down back to code B, that kid can do it
everyone boxer fanboy just wants boxer to win because hes boxer not because hes actually good like MVP/Bomber >_>
boxer is just like nada, makes it through tourneys but doesn't really *WIN* anything (MLG doesn't really count... when it's mass foreigner)
So, you don't like BoxeR because everyone roots for him even though he's not as good as MVP or Bomber? What? You must be a pretty boring person if you can only root for someone based on their skill, rather than stuff like their personality, backstory, charisma, or accomplishments.
Leenock practices TvZ with sCfOu and MarineKingPrime. Those 2 are easily in the top 5 of best TvZ players on the planet (yes MKP has recently been slumping, but he always gets mentioned as one of the scariest and most skilled players in interviews (by DRG and sC for example)
He kicks serious butt at ZvT, and I think he's the favorite going in, seeing as how he's a ZvT specialist with a rock-solid early game (which is THE area BoxeR is going to try and get an advantage in), compared to BoxeR who has never had too much success in TvZ, only really beating foreign Zergs and being 2-9 in TvZ in Korea.
Leenock may practice with sCfOu (isnt it FXOsC now?) and MKP but Boxer can train with SLAYERS_YUGIOH OOOOH SNAP lololol
in all seriousness I see you point and you are right.
On August 04 2011 06:37 ShootingStars wrote: hope leenock beats boxer down back to code B, that kid can do it
everyone boxer fanboy just wants boxer to win because hes boxer not because hes actually good like MVP/Bomber >_>
boxer is just like nada, makes it through tourneys but doesn't really *WIN* anything (MLG doesn't really count... when it's mass foreigner)
dude...NaDa is like one of the only players to have never been forced into Up/Downs. He might not have won any GSLs yet but he's been S class just about his entire SC2 career which not many can say. I'd hate to see what you thought of Yellow in BW .
Leenock practices TvZ with sCfOu and MarineKingPrime. Those 2 are easily in the top 5 of best TvZ players on the planet (yes MKP has recently been slumping, but he always gets mentioned as one of the scariest and most skilled players in interviews (by DRG and sC for example)
He kicks serious butt at ZvT, and I think he's the favorite going in, seeing as how he's a ZvT specialist with a rock-solid early game (which is THE area BoxeR is going to try and get an advantage in), compared to BoxeR who has never had too much success in TvZ, only really beating foreign Zergs and being 2-9 in TvZ in Korea.
Leenock may practice with sCfOu (isnt it FXOsC now?) and MKP but Boxer can train with SLAYERS_YUGIOH OOOOH SNAP lololol
in all seriousness I see you point and you are right.
BoxeR's hellions, marines medic elevator is currently very hard to stop right now. So I think BoxeR won't have much trouble figure it out. That timing is just seriously sick, finish before spire, if you go roaches heavy, Terran can just slow down and switch to marauders and roll Zerg anyway
On August 04 2011 06:37 ShootingStars wrote: hope leenock beats boxer down back to code B, that kid can do it
everyone boxer fanboy just wants boxer to win because hes boxer not because hes actually good like MVP/Bomber >_>
boxer is just like nada, makes it through tourneys but doesn't really *WIN* anything (MLG doesn't really count... when it's mass foreigner)
So, you don't like BoxeR because everyone roots for him even though he's not as good as MVP or Bomber? What? You must be a pretty boring person if you can only root for someone based on their skill, rather than stuff like their personality, backstory, charisma, or accomplishments.
I don't want someone who can't play well in code A... leenock has better potential for SC2 than boxer. His coaching is great, but his game is sub-par.
On August 04 2011 06:37 ShootingStars wrote: hope leenock beats boxer down back to code B, that kid can do it
everyone boxer fanboy just wants boxer to win because hes boxer not because hes actually good like MVP/Bomber >_>
boxer is just like nada, makes it through tourneys but doesn't really *WIN* anything (MLG doesn't really count... when it's mass foreigner)
So, you don't like BoxeR because everyone roots for him even though he's not as good as MVP or Bomber? What? You must be a pretty boring person if you can only root for someone based on their skill, rather than stuff like their personality, backstory, charisma, or accomplishments.
I don't want someone who can't play well in code A... leenock has better potential for SC2 than boxer. His coaching is great, but his game is sub-par.
Someone didn't watch MLG.
In any case, I'm looking forward to seeing some of them blue flames, yeah?
Oh shit man DRG vs inca idk who to root for so hard This will be a epic game there hop nani and thor do great and im sure jinro will get back into code S
Leenock practices TvZ with sCfOu and MarineKingPrime. Those 2 are easily in the top 5 of best TvZ players on the planet (yes MKP has recently been slumping, but he always gets mentioned as one of the scariest and most skilled players in interviews (by DRG and sC for example)
He kicks serious butt at ZvT, and I think he's the favorite going in, seeing as how he's a ZvT specialist with a rock-solid early game (which is THE area BoxeR is going to try and get an advantage in), compared to BoxeR who has never had too much success in TvZ, only really beating foreign Zergs and being 2-9 in TvZ in Korea.
Leenock may practice with sCfOu (isnt it FXOsC now?) and MKP but Boxer can train with SLAYERS_YUGIOH OOOOH SNAP lololol
in all seriousness I see you point and you are right.
Boxer trains with who he wants.
Everyone is willing to train with Boxer pretty much. His thank you list alone after a game is usually longer than most players interviews.
On August 04 2011 06:37 ShootingStars wrote: hope leenock beats boxer down back to code B, that kid can do it
everyone boxer fanboy just wants boxer to win because hes boxer not because hes actually good like MVP/Bomber >_>
boxer is just like nada, makes it through tourneys but doesn't really *WIN* anything (MLG doesn't really count... when it's mass foreigner)
So, you don't like BoxeR because everyone roots for him even though he's not as good as MVP or Bomber? What? You must be a pretty boring person if you can only root for someone based on their skill, rather than stuff like their personality, backstory, charisma, or accomplishments.
I don't want someone who can't play well in code A... leenock has better potential for SC2 than boxer. His coaching is great, but his game is sub-par.
So, you don't want someone who can't play well in Code A, yet, you're already wanting BoxeR to lose to Leenock before they've even played. Don't you think that seems a bit backwards? Shouldn't you wait to see the results first? Don't forget that BoxeR got knocked out by asd who is apparently one of FXO's stronger players now, a player who is also in Code S now. Being knocked out by a strong player =/= not being able to do well in Code A. Furthermore, MMA is now Code S. Even if BoxeR is a bit worse than MMA, their games at MLG clearly demonstrated that the skill gap between them isn't big at all, so I don't see why, based on BoxeR's past performances, he wouldn't be able to do well in Code A. Indeed, even if Leenock beats BoxeR, that would simply mean that BoxeR fell to a Zerg with very good ZvT, and it still wouldn't validate your argument that he can't play well in Code A.
On August 04 2011 06:37 ShootingStars wrote: hope leenock beats boxer down back to code B, that kid can do it
everyone boxer fanboy just wants boxer to win because hes boxer not because hes actually good like MVP/Bomber >_>
boxer is just like nada, makes it through tourneys but doesn't really *WIN* anything (MLG doesn't really count... when it's mass foreigner)
So, you don't like BoxeR because everyone roots for him even though he's not as good as MVP or Bomber? What? You must be a pretty boring person if you can only root for someone based on their skill, rather than stuff like their personality, backstory, charisma, or accomplishments.
I don't want someone who can't play well in code A... leenock has better potential for SC2 than boxer. His coaching is great, but his game is sub-par.
Just wondering, for the people complaining about foreigner kills, there is an upside to this...they don't have to play as many Koreans which should help their chances for advancing further. If they were all matched up with Koreans, they could very well wind up all getting knocked out in the first round which would be even worse than nani and sase having to possibly play each other in the ro16...because let's face it, none of the current foreigner vs Korean match ups right now are heavily favoring the foreigners. Thorzain, Sase, and Nani are all facing solid Korean zergs and vZ is their worst MU. People have to remember, Check is no worse than Moon who rolled Nani not too long ago at Dreamhack and Nani vs idra at MLG didn't exactly inspire confidence considering types of games they played.
Boxer vs. Leenock... this is extremely upsetting, I want both of them to make it through D:. Also, hopefully Sase, Naniwa, Throzain can become acquainted enough to Korea's time/ get rid of any jet lag they might have, cause they really do have a decent shot at making it through their matches. Fenix on the other hand... Tassadar is gonna be a tough opponent, but I'm sure he'll pull through :D.
On August 04 2011 07:46 Gackt_ wrote: (D) (T)Jinro vs (Z)Lucky (D)(Z)YuGiOh vs (T)ThorZaIN (A)(P)SaSe vs (Z)Sniper (A)(Z)Check vs (P)NaNiwa
All of them vs korean zergs? and not very strong zergs, I cant see any foreigner lose in this group. :o
I'd argue that Jinro is favored while the rest are coinflips. Thorzain, Sase, and Nani all struggle (comparitively) vs Z. Sniper is a relative unknown but YuGiOh and Check are solid players even if they're not DRG, I would say you can't consider them to be any worse than Moon who rolled Nani at Dreamhack.
On August 04 2011 07:55 Dr.Sin wrote: I find it disrespectful for the GSL to clump up the foreign players when MLG had the decency to not do so.
MLG had a handful of Koreans among their player pool numbering in the hundreds. GSL has 5 foreigners out of 32. I suspect this is more Gom trying to help get foreigners into the code S up/downs more than any sort of disrespect. And if I remember correctly, MLG Columbus had like 3 Koreans in pool B and several pools from Anaheim wound up with more than 1 Korean as well.
Jinro, thorzain, and naniwa should easily make it to the ro16, I'm super pumped, COde A is looking freaking amazing, the return of boxer, marineking's fall (he always bounces back though!), fruitdealer, and the return of Maka as well!
On August 04 2011 07:46 tripper688 wrote: Just wondering, for the people complaining about foreigner kills, there is an upside to this...they don't have to play as many Koreans which should help their chances for advancing further. If they were all matched up with Koreans, they could very well wind up all getting knocked out in the first round which would be even worse than nani and sase having to possibly play each other in the ro16...because let's face it, none of the current foreigner vs Korean match ups right now are heavily favoring the foreigners. Thorzain, Sase, and Nani are all facing solid Korean zergs and vZ is their worst MU. People have to remember, Check is no worse than Moon who rolled Nani not too long ago at Dreamhack and Nani vs idra at MLG didn't exactly inspire confidence considering types of games they played.
I agree. Naniwa, Thorzain and Sase can hardly be called favourites vs korean zergs, as vs zerg is by far their weakest matchup. I hope at least one makes it through to the next round.
On August 04 2011 07:55 Dr.Sin wrote: I find it disrespectful for the GSL to clump up the foreign players when MLG had the decency to not do so.
MLG had a handful of Koreans among their player pool numbering in the hundreds. GSL has 5 foreigners out of 32. I suspect this is more Gom trying to help get foreigners into the code S up/downs more than any sort of disrespect. And if I remember correctly, MLG Columbus had like 3 Koreans in pool B and several pools from Anaheim wound up with more than 1 Korean as well.
Buh? The open bracket isn't really the right comparison to make. The four Korean invites to MLG Anaheim were put into separate pools. A couple pools ended up with more than one Korean since Rain and Ganzi made it through the open bracket.
On August 04 2011 07:55 Dr.Sin wrote: I find it disrespectful for the GSL to clump up the foreign players when MLG had the decency to not do so.
MLG had a handful of Koreans among their player pool numbering in the hundreds. GSL has 5 foreigners out of 32. I suspect this is more Gom trying to help get foreigners into the code S up/downs more than any sort of disrespect. And if I remember correctly, MLG Columbus had like 3 Koreans in pool B and several pools from Anaheim wound up with more than 1 Korean as well.
Buh? The open bracket isn't really the right comparison to make. The four Korean invites to MLG Anaheim were put into separate pools. A couple pools ended up with more than one Korean since Rain and Ganzi made it through the open bracket.
How else would you get all 4 of them to play though? They physically can't be slotted in to the other bracket if they get to Korea hours before they have to play. Or would you prefer Gom completely reschedule the broadcasting and brackets in order to accommodate the 4 of them? Look at it from this perspective...IF they manage to get past the Korean Z, this helps the chances of getting a foreigner into Code S up/downs by quite a bit.
Not to mention, MLG recognized that the higher ranked Koreans deserved to be seeded directly into pool play. This is not the same scenario because this is basically foreigners fighting for a chance to be seeded into Code A.
On August 04 2011 07:55 Dr.Sin wrote: I find it disrespectful for the GSL to clump up the foreign players when MLG had the decency to not do so.
They're not clumped up on the bracket. They're just playing on the same day because Naniwa and Sase can't get to Korea until the 9th. Only one foreigner matchup (Sase and Naniwa) before the the top 8 up/down threshold (If they make it that far).
Sadly i think SlayerS Yugioh might acutally beat Thorzain pretty handily. T-zains Zerg MU isnt his best *from what i have seen and i watch almost all his matches*. Plus, you can bet your butt Yugioh trains with the best terrans in the world so he will be ready.
I'd say SaSe has the best chance of getting code S out of the foreigners. I'd be surprised if he loses a PvP, and there are lots of Protoss on his side of the bracket. His vZ has looked relatively weak but on the other hand Sniper is an inexperienced 16 year old unknown, against whom SaSe really should have a big nerve advantage with all his experience.
Naniwa is a boss but Check and SaSe could be too difficult for him before he's had any chance to practise in Korea. Thorzain has too many Terrans and Zergs in his bracket-half, while Fenix starts against Tassadar.
Kinda agree that its sad that they have all 4 of the foreigners in the same part of the bracket. It's kinda like shoving all the 4 koreans invited to MLG into pool C & D to (not accounting for open bracket) guarantee 1 foreigner in the Winner semifinal.
On August 04 2011 08:37 nilssonen wrote: Kinda agree that its sad that they have all 4 of the foreigners in the same part of the bracket. It's kinda like shoving all the 4 koreans invited to MLG into pool C & D to (not accounting for open bracket) guarantee 1 foreigner in the Winner semifinal.
The Code A brackets have always been randomly chosen as far as I know. Two different systems, apples and oranges.
On August 04 2011 08:20 PigglyWinks wrote: I'd say SaSe has the best chance of getting code S out of the foreigners. I'd be surprised if he loses a PvP, and there are lots of Protoss on his side of the bracket. His vZ has looked relatively weak but on the other hand Sniper is an inexperienced 16 year old unknown, against whom SaSe really should have a big nerve advantage with all his experience.
Naniwa is a boss but Check and SaSe could be too difficult for him before he's had any chance to practise in Korea. Thorzain has too many Terrans and Zergs in his bracket-half, while Fenix starts against Tassadar.
Sen absolutely destroyed Sase at DH. I don't see him doing well against a Korean Zerg. Sniper qualified by taking out a Protoss. I think Sniper will take it.
On August 04 2011 08:37 nilssonen wrote: Kinda agree that its sad that they have all 4 of the foreigners in the same part of the bracket. It's kinda like shoving all the 4 koreans invited to MLG into pool C & D to (not accounting for open bracket) guarantee 1 foreigner in the Winner semifinal.
The Code A brackets have always been randomly chosen as far as I know. Two different systems, apples and oranges.
I believe it's always one new player (out of Code B) vs one of the existing Code A/S players.
On August 04 2011 08:37 nilssonen wrote: Kinda agree that its sad that they have all 4 of the foreigners in the same part of the bracket. It's kinda like shoving all the 4 koreans invited to MLG into pool C & D to (not accounting for open bracket) guarantee 1 foreigner in the Winner semifinal.
The Code A brackets have always been randomly chosen as far as I know. Two different systems, apples and oranges.
I believe it's always one new player (out of Code B) vs one of the existing Code A/S players.
Mm. So at least, with that system, none of the new foreigners can face each other in the first round (though it seems that Jinro vs. a new foreigner was a possibility). Beyond that requirement, it seems that things are random. I'm just tired of seeing people complain about how foreigners are in the same part of the bracket as if it's GOM's fault. They already gave the new foreigners an easier path into Code A than the rest of the players. Suddenly people complain as if Gom is also obligated to place all of them nicely into different parts of the bracket. People expect so much... -_-;;
ZeNexHack has been owning the TL opens for a while now, think he's a bit of the underdog here. MKP is really bad right now, very ripe for the picking.
Another big surprise could be Ganzi on his side of the bracket... he has a very easy bracket right through the semis IMHO. I'm seeing him in the semis against DRG and perhaps with all the Slayers coaching he can spring a surprise.
On August 04 2011 08:59 amazingoopah wrote: ZeNexHack has been owning the TL opens for a while now, think he's a bit of the underdog here. MKP is really bad right now, very ripe for the picking.
Another big surprise could be Ganzi on his side of the bracket... he has a very easy bracket right through the semis IMHO. I'm seeing him in the semis against DRG and perhaps with all the Slayers coaching he can spring a surprise.
Sort of, he got destroyed in the macro games he decided to play v Protoss and won pretty much all of his vP with the 111. Banbans is pretty terrrible but Sase and Naniwa could do very very well against him especially once the 111 gets figured out.
This is soooo weird... either Tails or Taeja has to go down 1st round, Fenix has to face Tassadar 1st round, and InCa is probs gonna lose 1st round. Code A is so volatile. Sometimes I feel like there is two divisions of Code S, not Code S and Code A.
On August 04 2011 08:59 amazingoopah wrote: ZeNexHack has been owning the TL opens for a while now, think he's a bit of the underdog here. MKP is really bad right now, very ripe for the picking.
Another big surprise could be Ganzi on his side of the bracket... he has a very easy bracket right through the semis IMHO. I'm seeing him in the semis against DRG and perhaps with all the Slayers coaching he can spring a surprise.
Sort of, he got destroyed in the macro games he decided to play v Protoss and won pretty much all of his vP with the 111. Banbans is pretty terrrible but Sase and Naniwa could do very very well against him especially once the 111 gets figured out.
SaSe already has the 111 figured out... think back to dreamhack when he murdered Kas' attempt at marine banshee tank.
I think boxer has a real good chance vs leenock, he has some real strong timing pushes vs zerg. I wonder how much his shoulder is going to affect his play, at MLG it did not seem to be a problem. Poor inca has to face DRG in the first round, how far he has fallen. From Code S finalist to now having a strong chance of falling to Code B, if only he could of gotten PvP.
Leenock practices TvZ with sCfOu and MarineKingPrime. Those 2 are easily in the top 5 of best TvZ players on the planet (yes MKP has recently been slumping, but he always gets mentioned as one of the scariest and most skilled players in interviews (by DRG and sC for example)
He kicks serious butt at ZvT, and I think he's the favorite going in, seeing as how he's a ZvT specialist with a rock-solid early game (which is THE area BoxeR is going to try and get an advantage in), compared to BoxeR who has never had too much success in TvZ, only really beating foreign Zergs and being 2-9 in TvZ in Korea.
6 of Boxers losses to zergs were against Nestea, and his most recent loss was a fairly competitive loss to DRG in the teamleague. His only other recent match was in march, losing to Zenio 2-1, a matchup zenio has a 71% win rate in. With only one game played in the last 3 months vs a korean zerg, it is rather difficult to judge boxer based on his record. His foreign matches is really all we got ot go by where he 3-2'd and 2-1'd sen, 4-0'd idra, and 2-1'd sheth, only losing one series to zenio, once again, a code s zerg with 71% win rate in that match up. His tvz has looked sickly good in the matches we have seen of him. I don't know who is the favorite but boxer could very well have one of the top tvz's in the world,only time will tell.
On August 04 2011 08:37 nilssonen wrote: Kinda agree that its sad that they have all 4 of the foreigners in the same part of the bracket. It's kinda like shoving all the 4 koreans invited to MLG into pool C & D to (not accounting for open bracket) guarantee 1 foreigner in the Winner semifinal.
The Code A brackets have always been randomly chosen as far as I know. Two different systems, apples and oranges.
I believe it's always one new player (out of Code B) vs one of the existing Code A/S players.
Mm. So at least, with that system, none of the new foreigners can face each other in the first round (though it seems that Jinro vs. a new foreigner was a possibility). Beyond that requirement, it seems that things are random. I'm just tired of seeing people complain about how foreigners are in the same part of the bracket as if it's GOM's fault. They already gave the new foreigners an easier path into Code A than the rest of the players. Suddenly people complain as if Gom is also obligated to place all of them nicely into different parts of the bracket. People expect so much... -_-;;
You know the foreigners are in different groups besides Sase and Naniwa, right? They're just making them play at a later date because Thorzain, Naniwa, and Sase won't be in Korea until August 9th.
On August 04 2011 08:59 amazingoopah wrote: ZeNexHack has been owning the TL opens for a while now, think he's a bit of the underdog here. MKP is really bad right now, very ripe for the picking.
Another big surprise could be Ganzi on his side of the bracket... he has a very easy bracket right through the semis IMHO. I'm seeing him in the semis against DRG and perhaps with all the Slayers coaching he can spring a surprise.
Sort of, he got destroyed in the macro games he decided to play v Protoss and won pretty much all of his vP with the 111. Banbans is pretty terrrible but Sase and Naniwa could do very very well against him especially once the 111 gets figured out.
SaSe already has the 111 figured out... think back to dreamhack when he murdered Kas' attempt at marine banshee tank.
If Naniwa and SaSe both win their matches though, that means we have a foreigner guaranteed a shot at Code S, which is always great. Think of it that way
CHINRO HWAITING everything else is ... of lesser importance, even if its good. Go Jinro. You can do it, you've always had it in you. Slumps are temporary, and necessary for contrast, you know how good you are, and we do so as well.
On August 04 2011 11:43 HolyArrow wrote: If Naniwa and SaSe both win their matches though, that means we have a foreigner guaranteed a shot at Code S, which is always great. Think of it that way
I've been trying to get people to see this for a while lol. Gom is doing everything it can to accommodate the foreigners but people are still hating :/. They already have it easier than the rest of the Koreans trying to get up from B. They have another day to get their matches in. They might be forced to have some foreigner kills but at the end of the day, if it gets that far, it means that it's far likelier a foreigner will get a shot at Code S than if they had to play Koreans every step of the way.
ST.FruitDealer vs MaruPrime.WE NSHoSeovanvanth vs SlayerS_GanZi mYm.SaSe vs MvPSniper CheckPrime.WE vs Dignitas.NaNiwa FXOsC vs NEXtreme MvPTAiLS vs SlayerS_TaeJa MvPDongRaeGu vs oGsInCa anyproPrime.WE vs TSL.JYP NSHoSeoTassadar vs FnaticMSI.Fenix IMYoDa vs FXOTheBest SlayerS_BoxeR vs FXOLeenock MvPDream vs MakaPrime.WE LiquidJinro vs FXOLucky oGsLuvsic vs NSHoSeoJjakji mouz.ThorZaIN vs SlayerS_YuGiOh MarineKingPrime.WE vs ZeNEXHack
I think most of the foriengers should be fairly happy with their first rounds. I can definately see 3 or 4 of them making the Ro16.
Goodbye Inca. I can't see anyway that DRG can lose.
Leenock vs Boxer is rough. Boxer's TvZ has looked sick recently but that just gives more data for Leenock to study. I think Leenock will take it but I really want Boxer to.
On August 04 2011 12:29 Madbanana wrote: What happen to sage?
He lost in the qualifier
I don't get why everyone is so excited about him--look at his mediocre TLPD. Nothing to his name except one all-kill. It isn't that he's not good, but he's talked about like he's something amazing.
On August 04 2011 12:29 Madbanana wrote: What happen to sage?
He lost in the qualifier
I don't get why everyone is so excited about him--look at his mediocre TLPD. Nothing to his name except one all-kill. It isn't that he's not good, but he's talked about like he's something amazing.
On August 04 2011 12:29 Madbanana wrote: What happen to sage?
He lost in the qualifier
I don't get why everyone is so excited about him--look at his mediocre TLPD. Nothing to his name except one all-kill. There are players who do so much better and get so much less respect.
Artosis hype.
He plays intelligently but his unit control is honestly very poor. (And I say this as a fan of him.) I think if he improves his control, he could be very, very scary. Until then, though, you can probably say that he's overrated and slightly overhyped.
On August 04 2011 12:29 Madbanana wrote: What happen to sage?
He lost in the qualifier
I don't get why everyone is so excited about him--look at his mediocre TLPD. Nothing to his name except one all-kill. It isn't that he's not good, but he's talked about like he's something amazing.
If you watch him play, he is without a doubt one of the smartest players right now. That and there are very few Protoss pros lately.
Korean Protoss seem to be having a hard time vs Zerg these days. The two best Protoss outside MC (Puzzle, Sage), get destroyed by Zerg in the ICCUP weeklys
On August 04 2011 12:29 Madbanana wrote: What happen to sage?
He lost in the qualifier
I don't get why everyone is so excited about him--look at his mediocre TLPD. Nothing to his name except one all-kill. It isn't that he's not good, but he's talked about like he's something amazing.
It is a bit of an appeal to authority but MC in an interview after Sages all kill commented that he didn't think there were many good protoss players, but after seeing him perform in the GSTL he felt Sage was a top protoss.
On August 04 2011 12:29 Madbanana wrote: What happen to sage?
He lost in the qualifier
I don't get why everyone is so excited about him--look at his mediocre TLPD. Nothing to his name except one all-kill. It isn't that he's not good, but he's talked about like he's something amazing.
If you watch him play, he is without a doubt one of the smartest players right now. That and there are very few Protoss pros lately.
Korean Protoss seem to be having a hard time vs Zerg these days. The two best Protoss outside MC (Puzzle, Sage), get destroyed by Zerg in the ICCUP weeklys
It's a bit too much to call Sage one of the best two Protoss outside MC. Yes, Puzzle is good, but he earned that by winning Code A. Hongun, Alicia, and HuK have far more claim to "best protoss outside MC" than Sage.
(A) FruitDealer vs Maru Kid looked real solid in the qualifiers. Fruitdealer hasn't looked good for a long time now. (A) Banbanssu vs GanZi Ganzi didn't look too hot in the qualifiers but Banbanssu needs to improve a tonne if he wants to win. (C) Yoda vs TheBest Beat TheBest, Yoda shall. (D) Luvsic vs Jjakji He's a favourite. Hopefully he doesn't choke.
Second session
(B) sC vs Extreme Not enough data to work with but I'll go with sC. (B) Tails vs Taeja Taeja looking very good. (B) DongRaeGu vs InCa Unless Inca improves a lot, DRG easily. (B) anypro vsJYP Could go either way, but anypro's PvP has never really impressed me.
August 9th
(C) Tassadarvs Fenix If he doesn't choke or lose to 1-1-1, Tassadar easily. (D) MarineKing vs Hack Unless MKP managed to overcome his TvT weakness, Hack wins easily. (C) BoxeRvs Leenock Boxer looking very solid, although his macro and multitasking could use some work. Leenock's macro and multitasking aren't so strong that he would be able to outplay Boxer. Also kid has a tendency to choke really really hard. (C) Dream vs Maka Again lack of sufficient data, this is a fan vote.
August 10th
(D) Jinro vs Lucky Lucky qualified by 2-0 a bunch of Terrans iirc, so Jinro has his work cut out for him. (D)YuGiOh vs ThorZaIN Thorzain was my foreigner hope to go through but he gets his weakest matchup against YuGiOh nonetheless. T_T (A)SaSe vs Sniper Don't know either player that well so when in doubt vote for the Korean. (A)Checkvs NaNiwa Check had a decent showing against Huk last time and I don't think Naniwa is as good as Huk. Unfortunately Check also has a history of choking.
MKP loves to mass game on ladder, so I'm not surprised. We'll see how MKP's TvT looks tonight. Hopefully, it's solid - or more solid than it was in his Up/Down matches.
does anyone have any sort of idea why foreigners are so late for code A/gstl ? if they play with jetlag, that will be dummiest thing ever. what more imortant do they have not to come a few days earlier to korea. im really shocked and displeased by their attitude!
On August 04 2011 13:38 human_ko wrote: does anyone have any sort of idea why foreigners are so late for code A/gstl ? if they play with jetlag, that will be dummiest thing ever. what more imortant do they have not to come a few days earlier to korea. im really shocked and displeased by their attitude!
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They're playing in an official Blizzard tournament.
wow so many people predicting Sase to lose.. What is wrong with you? And what when Sase and Naniwa win their matches they will face each other? Is this some kind of a joke?
On August 04 2011 11:33 Ruscour wrote: NaNiwa vs SaSe meeting in Ro16 would suck...I think SaSe's PvP is a decent whack better.
ThorZaIN won't be able to take out MKP or Hack in the Ro16, Fenix will have a hell of a time getting past Tassadar.
A rough trip for our foreign heroes.
I'd pick thor over MKP seeing how badly he's slumping
It's MKP's TvT that's in a mess. His other matchups are actually still in okay shape. But Thorzain can take him in TvT, unless he figures something out.
On August 04 2011 12:57 Kavas wrote: Who I think will win + Show Spoiler +
August 8th
First session:
(A) FruitDealer vs Maru Kid looked real solid in the qualifiers. Fruitdealer hasn't looked good for a long time now. (A) Banbanssu vs GanZi Ganzi didn't look too hot in the qualifiers but Banbanssu needs to improve a tonne if he wants to win. (C) Yoda vs TheBest Beat TheBest, Yoda shall. (D) Luvsic vs Jjakji He's a favourite. Hopefully he doesn't choke.
Second session
(B) sC vs Extreme Not enough data to work with but I'll go with sC. (B) Tails vs Taeja Taeja looking very good. (B) DongRaeGu vs InCa Unless Inca improves a lot, DRG easily. (B) anypro vsJYP Could go either way, but anypro's PvP has never really impressed me.
August 9th
(C) Tassadarvs Fenix If he doesn't choke or lose to 1-1-1, Tassadar easily. (D) MarineKing vs Hack Unless MKP managed to overcome his TvT weakness, Hack wins easily. (C) BoxeRvs Leenock Boxer looking very solid, although his macro and multitasking could use some work. Leenock's macro and multitasking aren't so strong that he would be able to outplay Boxer. Also kid has a tendency to choke really really hard. (C) Dream vs Maka Again lack of sufficient data, this is a fan vote.
August 10th
(D) Jinro vs Lucky Lucky qualified by 2-0 a bunch of Terrans iirc, so Jinro has his work cut out for him. (D)YuGiOh vs ThorZaIN Thorzain was my foreigner hope to go through but he gets his weakest matchup against YuGiOh nonetheless. T_T (A)SaSe vs Sniper Don't know either player that well so when in doubt vote for the Korean. (A)Checkvs NaNiwa Check had a decent showing against Huk last time and I don't think Naniwa is as good as Huk. Unfortunately Check also has a history of choking.
On August 04 2011 13:55 Taf the Ghost wrote: Also, wow, GOM must hate Inca for that 0-4 against NesTea. Against DRG in Ro32 of Code A. That's just cruel.
(A) (Z)FruitDealer vs (T)Maru -Despite Fruitdealers less then impressive showings lately, I gotta go with the former code S player. (A) (P)Banbanssu vs (T)GanZi - Ganzi is solid (C) (T)Yoda vs (T)TheBest - TheBest is under-rated. (D) (Z)Luvsic vs (T)Jjakji
Second session
(B) (T)sC vs (P)Extreme (B) (P)Tails vs (T)Taeja (B) (Z)DongRaeGu vs (P)InCa - I think DongRaeGu is over-rated, but InCas PvZ has historically been horrid. (B) (P)anypro vs (P)JYP - Hard to call this one August 9th
(C) (P)Tassadar vs (T)Fenix - This is a bit of a tossup, Fenix is probably the most under-rated foreigner, but Tassadar is decent himself. (D) (T)MarineKing vs (T)Hack - Unless MarineKing clinics himself on modern TvT metagame, I dont see him winning, despite him being better then hack at the other matchups. (C) (T)BoxeR vs (Z)Leenock - Impossible to call this one. Leenock is solid, but Boxer has momentum and experience behind him. (C) (T)Dream vs (T)Maka - I have not seen much of maka in a long time, but he never really impressed me when I did see him.
August 10th (D) (T)Jinro vs (Z)Lucky - You can never count Jinro out, his play has improved greatly lately. (D)(Z)YuGiOh vs (T)ThorZaIN - ThorZian has accomplished little to nothing after the TSL. The slower pace of GSL should help him, but he is moving to Korea too late to properly prepare. (A)(P)SaSe vs (Z)Sniper - Sase is very under-rated, and Sniper did not impress me much in the qualifiers. (A)(Z)Check vs (P)NaNiwa - Naniwa is in for an ugly suprise this GSL I think. He should have moved to Korea months ago to prepare.
On August 04 2011 13:49 Joseph123 wrote: wow so many people predicting Sase to lose.. What is wrong with you? And what when Sase and Naniwa win their matches they will face each other? Is this some kind of a joke?
Koreans almost always beat non Koreans, Sase is really bad at PvZ. Gom already let foreigners skip Code B which most if not all of them would have failed in I'm sorry they didn't also fix the tournament.
I will say most of the foreigners have pretty easy first rounds, Fenix probably has the hardest. Also I am extremely scared for MKP, please please please stop slumping FoxeR!!!
Boxer MKP DRG and sC all deserve code S status. Players like kyrix,virus,ensnare should be down and out of code S. I don't see jinro advancing any further than this. He seems to have made an entirely huge slump from glory to mediocre. Of course I hope for the best and that he can prove me wrong.
SaSe and Naniwa are being underrated big time. I mean cmon!, they play toss! JKJK but they are pretty gosu.
On August 04 2011 13:38 human_ko wrote: does anyone have any sort of idea why foreigners are so late for code A/gstl ? if they play with jetlag, that will be dummiest thing ever. what more imortant do they have not to come a few days earlier to korea. im really shocked and displeased by their attitude!
naniwa and sase were originally in the earlier group and they already shuffled them around because of this! they cant really complain!
(D) Jinro vs LuckyJinro will make it to ro16 again (D)YuGiOh vs ThorZaINYuGiOh can practice with SlayerSTerran. (A)SaSe vs Sniper Sry SaSe. (A)Check vs NaNiwa I prefer Check. He has a good plan against NaNiwa. I won't tell.
On August 04 2011 13:38 human_ko wrote: does anyone have any sort of idea why foreigners are so late for code A/gstl ? if they play with jetlag, that will be dummiest thing ever. what more imortant do they have not to come a few days earlier to korea. im really shocked and displeased by their attitude!
It's because of the Blizzard European Invitational, which is a very important event with a big prizepool and also the qualifier for Blizzcon if i'm not mistaken..They chose to participate in both tournaments though, so they will obviously get what they deserve if they don't play to their potential due to getting no practice time in Korea/jetlag. It's unfortunate, but it is what it is!
On August 04 2011 15:32 gideel wrote: I dont care what boxer does, whether it is cheese/all-in/bunker rush/BFH drone massacre -- plzzzzz win! we need you back in code S
If there is a way to pull off a buker rush + hellion attack, this is the time for boxer to show it. He gets past leenock and he has a fairly easy road to the up and down matches from there.
Unfortunately I can't see any foreigner winning a gsl match without at least 1 month of practice in korea, without practice and with jet lag it's not going to work . So I'd say Naniwa, Sase Thorzain out first round, Fenix I don't think he is good enough. Jinro could win with a bit of luck.
omg so many terrans in GSL... I'm wondering what's the explanation for that, maybe there are are just more terran players in Korea because of all the kids who wanna be like Boxer ^^
Ah cmon, pls no Leenock and Boxer, T__T god....why...they are one of my 4 fav players in Code A atm, i hoped they can dodge eachother at least untill quarters if not semis...i'm really sad now, but yeah there is so much decent names this Code A, i knew some insane pair is bound to happen at start allready..
Leenock if you lose, please go to MLG or something, you can't be outside Code A at least (Code S too, with a bit more focus and consistant games) , you have really alot of talent..
On August 04 2011 06:20 redFF wrote: You guys underestimate Leenock, if anything I feel for Boxer...
I think most people expect Leenock to win tbh, the issue is that he's knocking out BOXER. That makes him unlucky. Knocking out boxer is almost as bad (sometimes as bad or worse) than knocking out a foriegner.
Have you seen boxer play recently? and im not just talking about beating scrub foreigner at MLG (including idra) he beasted in pretty hard in the qualifiers as well. Never underestimate the emperor. When are people going to stop doing this fromo the moment he started playing sc2 there are always the haters that keep saying "hes too old, he doesnt have it in him anymore, hes past his prime".
Last showings in code a were less the impressive everyone knows that, but he said himself hes more dedicated then ever now and its really showing his play seems so much more crisp he also said he was getting really nervous during his matches because of the pressure but he has regained confidence.
You could totally tell in his games vs ASD last code a that he was really really nervous, he was so indecisive , he couldnt decide weather to attack or defend , he couldnt decide where to attack and ended up delaying so much that he lost. This is not the boxer we all know, the boxer we all know is top 4 code s material (hes done it before) and he can do it again.
I really hope that all the foreigners pass through the first round so we get to see what they can do with some time and practice in Korea. Personally I don't understand the decision by Nani/Thor to prioritize the Blizz Inv over Code A this time and it would really suck if they lose due to a lack of preparation and jet-lag. I can just hope they know what they are doing.
Gl to them all though and hopefully whatever happens we get to see some great games.
On August 04 2011 17:06 Lt.Roosevelt wrote: I really hope that all the foreigners pass through the first round so we get to see what they can do with some time and practice in Korea. Personally I don't understand the decision by Nani/Thor to prioritize the Blizz Inv over Code A this time and it would really suck if they lose due to a lack of preparation and jet-lag. I can just hope they know what they are doing.
Gl to them all though and hopefully whatever happens we get to see some great games.
i do lol. Code A isnt that much prizemoney and theres no guarantee that they can make Code S
On August 04 2011 17:26 vertical101 wrote: aww leenock is practicing with sC who is very good at vs zerg but i heard he lost all his ZvT in up & down match. i hope boxer advance
but that also means one would be guaranteed to make up&downs!
I'm kind of really scared for InCa. PvZ is obviously his worst matchup, and now he has to face DongRaeGu. This is not going to be an easy Code A for him.
I think code S is plenty anticipated. This happens to be the thread for code A, which is really good this time around, but that is the direction the entire korean scene is going. Code S looks crazily stacked now.
looking more forward to this then code S lol. I think most foreigners have good matches except fenix against tassader, who I believe was last code A finalist. also boxer and drg in code A, should be great.
On August 04 2011 18:13 MetalLobster wrote: Hey did anyone realize thebestfOu made it pass the qualifers?
I saw the qualifiers. He beat Creatorprime (P) 2-1
1st game: MTB all in 2nd: Lost a game with attempted macro 3rd: 2 rax pressure on Creator's fast expansion, a lot of unit trades --> into a 1 base timing push with marine, marauder, siegetank and a raven.
wait what ? Jinro and Thorzain could play eachother in the Ro16, as Naniwa and Sase ? srsly ? Well at least if they play eachothers we're gonna be sure one will get to the Ro8 and go to the up&down
Also Boxer vs Leenock man... I'm sad one of those will drop down to code B but... this is gonna be a sick match
On August 04 2011 13:49 Joseph123 wrote: wow so many people predicting Sase to lose.. What is wrong with you? And what when Sase and Naniwa win their matches they will face each other? Is this some kind of a joke?
There's so much wrong with this post...Why not predict sase to lose when he's weak vZ and facing a Korean Zerg? Same with nani and thorzain. It's not that we hate the players, it's just that generally speaking, in the words of moon, Koreans > White dudes. We'd love to be proven wrong but saying the foreigners are heavily favored just because they are fan favorites or more well known outside Korea is just silly. You can blame nani and co for deciding that Blizzard invitational > Code A for the scheduling and brackets. Gom is already doing its best to accommodate them. And look at it this way, IF the foreigners win their first matches, at least some of them will then be guaranteed to get to Ro8 even with foreigner-kills. I personally think there's a higher likelihood of a foreigner making Ro8 with the current brackets than if they played Koreans throughout.
On August 04 2011 17:17 LiOn wrote: Mhh, if SaSe and Nani wins first round they gonna knock one of the foreigners out. >.<
And that will mean that at least a couple of them make ro8.
Wow I don't know who I'll cheer for as the rounds progress, so many favorites in the tourney, mkp boxer drg naniwa thorzain jinro sniper fruitdealer jjakji sc taeja anypro fenix. OMG stargasm!!! Thank the starcraft lords none of them are meeting each other in the round of 32.
All four Swedish players could very well win their first matches but I can't see Fenix taking down such a strong player in PvT as Tassadar. He might have some special harassment tactics up his sleeve though, would love it if he'd prove me wrong.
On August 05 2011 00:17 XiGua wrote: Looks nice. Never followed Code A before, now it's even more appealing than Code S since NesTea will just baller it up and win everything again.
On August 05 2011 00:17 XiGua wrote: Looks nice. Never followed Code A before, now it's even more appealing than Code S since NesTea will just baller it up and win everything again.
Wait for MC's master plan sir!
To be honest I fully expect MC's master plan to blow up in his face.
the player imma look at closely will be nani, but there's a lot of interesting code a people. Boxer qualified again! with his recent showing at anaheim, i bet he's gonna stir up some rise :D
of course DRG and the other foreginers, which i hope all do well, gogo Jinro!
Lastly, get MKP the fuck outta code a and back where he belongs! gl to all
ESPORTS
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On August 05 2011 00:40 Santiago4ever wrote: Pity for naniwa that sase will knock him out in RO16
Pity for god awful predictions. here's one. Nani wins code a and all tremble before his power. muahahaha
On August 03 2011 21:23 Asha` wrote: Fruitdealer vs Maru Banbanssu vs Ganzi Sase vs Sniper Check vs Naniwa
sC vs Extreme Tails vs Taeja DongRaeGu vs InCa anypro vs JYP
Tassadar vs Fenix Yoda vs TheBest Boxer vs Leenock Dream vs Maka
Jinro vs Lucky Luvsic vs Jjakji YugiOh vs Thorzain MarineKing vs Hack
My bets =D
Btw: MKP actually has a difficult first round: Hack is pretty good. And Leenock's vT is his best MU, but either way Boxer or Leenock will drop to Code B and that makes me sad.
TheBest will win. He is the villain.
Adding in extra bets to my original -
Ro16: FruitDealer v Ganzi Sniper v Naniwa
sC v Tails DongRaeGu v JYP
Tassadar v TheBest Leenock v Dream
Jinro v Jjakji Thorzain v MarineKing
Ro8: Ganzi v Naniwa sC v DongRaeGu
TheBest v Leenock Jjakji v MarineKing
Ro4: Ganzi v sC
Leenock v Jjakji
Finals: Ganzi v Leenock
Soooo, yeah. I have Ganzi taking the whole thing in a final against Leenock. That said, not looking favourably upon MKP at the moment, thinking Hack could do just as well. And even though almost the entirety of Leenock's half of the draw is without Protoss, if he has to face even one Protoss he'll lose.
Hoping my Ro8 comes true for the most part though. Ganzi v Naniwa and sC v DRG would be great quarter finals =D
After TheBest lost his second game in the final round of the Code A qualifiers, one of the commentators said "TheBest made a crucial mistake; he made a command center".
Pray Fast, Don’t Look, Die Hard TheBest is back with a vengeance
Best Code A so far?? I hope to see Naniwa do really well, as well as Thorzain, and Jinro. I will also be rooting for BoxeR as if he were a foreigner, how could you not?
On August 05 2011 13:32 Marcus420 wrote: nani and SaSe, only one of them can make the ro8. gay.
thorzain and jinro are essentially the same.
should be 1 foreigner per group of 8.
ROFL they already got a free pass in. If the system were fair they would all have failed in code b. Now you want them seeded too? If they were seeded though you'd guarantee all Korean ro8
On August 03 2011 21:24 IceSlipper wrote: hahaha drg free win! not tooo bad for foreigners, if naniwa can get past check he could easily get right up to ganzi.. (are these in order of brackets?)!
Seeing how competitive GSL really is. INCA was a finalist in May. Could be knocked into Code B quite quite soon. In three months you could go from a somebody to a nobody! TT
On August 03 2011 21:24 IceSlipper wrote: hahaha drg free win! not tooo bad for foreigners, if naniwa can get past check he could easily get right up to ganzi.. (are these in order of brackets?)!
Seeing how competitive GSL really is. INCA was a finalist in May. Could be knocked into Code B quite quite soon. In three months you could go from a somebody to a nobody! TT
Already happened with Rain. Could also happen with MKP.
I like MKP, but at the rate he's playing and how solid his opponent Hack is, MKP may actually have to through the qualifiers again. It'll be sad indeed
Code A is too stacked, so many code S level players o( at least code A) fighting agains each other in round 1 meaning half of them gonna go back to code B....
On August 03 2011 21:24 IceSlipper wrote: hahaha drg free win! not tooo bad for foreigners, if naniwa can get past check he could easily get right up to ganzi.. (are these in order of brackets?)!
Seeing how competitive GSL really is. INCA was a finalist in May. Could be knocked into Code B quite quite soon. In three months you could go from a somebody to a nobody! TT
Already happened with Rain. Could also happen with MKP.
On August 05 2011 15:59 ballasdontcry wrote: well Rain chose to leave on his own. not like he was knocked into code B or anything.
He was knocked into Code B back in the January GSL, I believe (the season right after he got to the finals against MC).
He was knocked to Code A, then was the first person knocked down to Code A to get back to Code S, where he stayed until he left GSL.
Oh, whoops. I got Code B and Code A mixed up for some stupid reason. -_-;;
And since people seem to be saying that Rain is good in response to that post, I never intended to make it sound like Rain is bad. I only meant to agree with the guy saying how frighteningly competitive the GSL is getting to be now, in that any good player could fall to Code B simply because it's just that competitive.
This code A looks brutal. I think like most others, I'm hoping for DRG, Boxer, MKP, and foreigners (Naniwa has grown on me very much, and Thorzain is always fun to watch). Lastly, I'd seriously love to see Jinro own it up like good old times
On August 06 2011 14:00 Bengui wrote: Boxer vs Leenock... noooooooo
You know, as sad as I am to see that he's not going to get the easiest opponent in the world, Boxer has said himself that he's improved greatly as a result of MLG and if he's gotten better then he should be able to beat better players.
So while he'll have a tough road ahead, at least we'll know for sure whether he was right or not when he said he got better.
On August 06 2011 14:00 Bengui wrote: Boxer vs Leenock... noooooooo
You know, as sad as I am to see that he's not going to get the easiest opponent in the world, Boxer has said himself that he's improved greatly as a result of MLG and if he's gotten better then he should be able to beat better players.
So while he'll have a tough road ahead, at least we'll know for sure whether he was right or not when he said he got better.
Its not just that. We don't want either Leenock or Boxer to have to drop out to Code B, but I honestly doubt Boxer is capable of beating leenock.
On August 06 2011 14:00 Bengui wrote: Boxer vs Leenock... noooooooo
You know, as sad as I am to see that he's not going to get the easiest opponent in the world, Boxer has said himself that he's improved greatly as a result of MLG and if he's gotten better then he should be able to beat better players.
So while he'll have a tough road ahead, at least we'll know for sure whether he was right or not when he said he got better.
Its not just that. We don't want either Leenock or Boxer to have to drop out to Code B, but I honestly doubt Boxer is capable of beating leenock.
i also have same thought..but whenever i doubt boxer, he always proves me wrong..
I honestly think the layout of these brackets are ridiculous for foreigners
When the Koreans come to MLG they are all played in different gorups and don't meet until the championship bracket, where they are able to drop games if they finish top.
However here, Naniwa and Sase face eachother in ro16, Jinro and Thorzain face of ro8 then Fenix plays the winner of those two in ro4. I know if can't be perfect, but surely they could've all been on different corners of the bracket, for the sake of the MLG / GSL trade thing. IMO its unfair compared to how the Koreans are treated here. Thats just what i think anyway
Put 3/4 of the Koreans in 1 group at MLG, see how they like it....
On August 07 2011 17:03 MediaOcrity wrote: I honestly think the layout of these brackets are ridiculous for foreigners
When the Koreans come to MLG they are all played in different gorups and don't meet until the championship bracket, where they are able to drop games if they finish top.
However here, Naniwa and Sase face eachother in ro16, Jinro and Thorzain face of ro8 then Fenix plays the winner of those two in ro4. I know if can't be perfect, but surely they could've all been on different corners of the bracket, for the sake of the MLG / GSL trade thing. IMO its unfair compared to how the Koreans are treated here. Thats just what i think anyway
Put 3/4 of the Koreans in 1 group at MLG, see how they like it....
Unfair? You're acting as if Koreans and Foreigners are equal in skill. If Koreans were put in the same MLG group, we'd just have a foreigner or two making it way further than people know he should have. Foreigners in the same brackets in the case of the GSL instead gives foreigners a chance to face each other early on, thus getting farther than they perhaps would have if they were spaced out evenly. You can't ignore the fact that foreigners are the underdogs against Koreans.
Also, as I've said many times before, these foreigners might not even be here if they weren't given a nice path around the Code A qualifiers. When a scene superior in skill makes accommodations for your scene to still be a part of it, it's best to drop your sense of entitlement.
after watching thorzain lose against ret, i feel worried for his first match (t v z). I know its yugioh, but mlg has shown that code b players are as good or better than na/europes elite :/
As Ret has shown versus Tarson in the first round, getting one or two more queens beats that build no problem. Though Tarson's execution probably wasn't the best. Also Leenock has had enough time to check out the MLG VODs so I'm sure he knows Boxer's build by now. I think Leenock will adapt just fine.
As Ret has shown versus Tarson in the first round, getting one or two more queens beats that build no problem. Though Tarson's execution probably wasn't the best. Also Leenock has had enough time to check out the MLG VODs so I'm sure he knows Boxer's build by now. I think Leenock will adapt just fine.
to the Slayers Terrans. Slayers' execution is so smooth and they know all the timings and followups. Maybe the bfh, marine elevator is starting to get figured out on the Korean ladder but you can't say that based on the Blizz Eu tournament.
On August 07 2011 17:03 MediaOcrity wrote: I honestly think the layout of these brackets are ridiculous for foreigners
When the Koreans come to MLG they are all played in different gorups and don't meet until the championship bracket, where they are able to drop games if they finish top.
However here, Naniwa and Sase face eachother in ro16, Jinro and Thorzain face of ro8 then Fenix plays the winner of those two in ro4. I know if can't be perfect, but surely they could've all been on different corners of the bracket, for the sake of the MLG / GSL trade thing. IMO its unfair compared to how the Koreans are treated here. Thats just what i think anyway
Put 3/4 of the Koreans in 1 group at MLG, see how they like it....
If you think about it this way... you can also say that by doing this, they are gaurenteeing foriegners in the up and down matches, though at the cost of another getting eliminated.
On August 07 2011 17:03 MediaOcrity wrote: I honestly think the layout of these brackets are ridiculous for foreigners
When the Koreans come to MLG they are all played in different gorups and don't meet until the championship bracket, where they are able to drop games if they finish top.
However here, Naniwa and Sase face eachother in ro16, Jinro and Thorzain face of ro8 then Fenix plays the winner of those two in ro4. I know if can't be perfect, but surely they could've all been on different corners of the bracket, for the sake of the MLG / GSL trade thing. IMO its unfair compared to how the Koreans are treated here. Thats just what i think anyway
Put 3/4 of the Koreans in 1 group at MLG, see how they like it....
The four foreigners invited via MLG are fairly spread out, SaSe and Jinro are separate.
As Ret has shown versus Tarson in the first round, getting one or two more queens beats that build no problem. Though Tarson's execution probably wasn't the best. Also Leenock has had enough time to check out the MLG VODs so I'm sure he knows Boxer's build by now. I think Leenock will adapt just fine.
to the Slayers Terrans. Slayers' execution is so smooth and they know all the timings and followups. Maybe the bfh, marine elevator is starting to get figured out on the Korean ladder but you can't say that based on the Blizz Eu tournament.
You hit the nail on the head about what makes this build scary. Its not the initial push itself (which is impressive) but the fact that the Slayers terrans know how to smoothly transition out into a number of really strong compositions. I forget which game it was but in one game a zerg went heavy roach and a SCARY marauder push came. Another the Zerg went muta and the Terran went back to standard Tank/Rine with some blue flames mixed in. The fact that the Slayers T understand this push and its reactions better than any zerg does (at the moment) is what makes it so scary.
Also, even if it gets shut down, blue flames are still fucking scary. One of those gets into your mineral lines and you regret it.
EPT
FruitDealer vs 
Maru
Banbanssu vs 
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