MLG Anaheim Day 3 RED Live Report Thread - Page 792

On August 02 2011 10:54 SafeAsCheese wrote:
How "even more so" in Europe?

On August 01 2011 12:03 DystopiaX wrote:

So if Sage and DRG meet in qualifiers and one of them loses, then they're worse than players in code S? Give me a break.

On August 02 2011 07:14 lunchforthesky wrote:


Lots of very bad and selective analogies in this post.

How about this, the English Premier League is the most viewed league in the world, is bigger than religion in the UK and yet, the vast majority of players aren't English, but no one really cares because the play is high quality. You don't get many people suggesting we kick the foreigners out and just have English/British players in exchange for a far lower standard of play because that's retarded.

The whole foreigner support thing is pretty dumb to begin with. I can understand Swedes supporting Naniwa, Americans supporting Huk and the Dutch supporting Ret but you get people on here from Brazil absolutely determined to see anyone from Germany beat anyone from South Korea, it's bizzare.

On August 02 2011 14:52 4ZakeN87 wrote:


Your really think it is the quality itself is what made people cheer for this or that team? Once there where probably only english players and since people always stay loyal to a team rather then a player, since players move/retire and so on while teams prevail. I guess a large part of the fans from each individual club have probably been fans from that club since they where like 6, it is not like that teams skill level was the primary factor to why that person choose that team from the beginning anyhow.

And Kicking out a foreigners in Primare league is obviously not an option since the team that did that would lose by default.

Regardeless, if you think that a sport where one single country wins 99% of all the games will ever become a large sport you are kidding yourself. Do you usally watch bandy? Well it is pretty big in Sweden. Do know why no one watches bandy? Because over the last 40 years there has only beeen two teams winning the world championship over and over again, Sweden or Russia. Hence it will never become and olympic sport and it will remain a sport that people in northern Sweden think is great. To bad the rest of the world does´nt care.

On August 02 2011 15:34 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Yes, what you are saying is all true. But is it really the primary factor for making a sport big? Maybe it is. I dont think that personal engament for a player will be enough. Having players from the same country winning over and over will always remain boring for the majority of the audience. And big difference between say Korea and Brazil in football is that Brazil doesnt win 26-2 against Germany in worldchampionship finals.

If we just look on viewer numbers (would be really intresting to see how the viewer numbers changed after HuK and Naniwa got knocked out btw). Without knowing I imagine that GOM.tv has a fairly low number of viewers compared to say MLG or Dreamhack. Yet GSL has higher skill level, by far I would say, now why is that? Because there is only one nation competing and hence low interest from the rest of the world. As long as GSL is a one country show it is never going to become a large international show with the majority of the viewers coming from outside of Korea.

I know many people here think that skill is extremly important, and for many here it is, the NASL final between Puma and MC where epic for instance. But regardless, as I said above it wont make SC2 great. If you really think that a sport where players from one country humilates all other competitiors will become great (compared to a normal sport) go ahead and belive that. I dont, and I dont see what your premiss for that assumtion is either but im getting pretty tired of this discussion so sure.

I belive there is only one way that SC2 is going to be truly great and that is if the rest of the world can catch up to Korea. That will make for truly great tournaments. If the foreigners fail on the other hand and we in years from now remains where we are today, with top 6 in a international SC2 tournament is taken by one nation, I think this forum is one of the few places where SC2 will remain great.

On August 02 2011 16:57 don_kyuhote wrote:
Brazil doesn't beat Germany 26-2 in football because Germany works their butt off to be the best in the world as does Brazil.
If the foreigners don't work their butt off and Koreans do, then Koreans will dominate and they are doing it right now.
Now, if that leads to fans losing interest and sc2 not growing and maybe even leading to its downfall, then it is the foreigners' fault for not taking this seriously.

On August 02 2011 05:55 CellTech wrote:
I too would like to see the updated Top 16 in points. Anyone know?

On August 02 2011 16:57 4ZakeN87 wrote:
A tournament where you have people from numerous countries are competing on the top level, France, US, Australia, Ukraine, Canada, Poland, Sweden, Korea and so on.
This would also per defention mean that the average level would need to become a lot more balanced in order to achive this, also resulting in that each individual game becomes harder to predict. Not to mention the hole national aspect.

Or option two: Where we have top 10 players coming from one country, humiliating everyone else in the tournament?

If you dont think that this has any impact what so ever... then you are seriously just plain stupid.

Which is now when I think about it exactly the same thing.

On August 02 2011 14:52 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Regardeless, if you think that a sport where one single country wins 99% of all the games will ever become a large sport you are kidding yourself. Do you usally watch bandy? Well it is pretty big in Sweden. Do know why no one watches bandy? Because over the last 40 years there has only beeen two teams winning the world championship over and over again, Sweden or Russia. Hence it will never become and olympic sport and it will remain a sport that people in northern Sweden think is great. To bad the rest of the world does´nt care.

On August 02 2011 21:21 cheggelund wrote:


I have to agree with your logic.

Most people posting here are pretty hard-core Starcraft fans, and we know how to appreciate excellent (that's for you Lindsey) play. However, to gain a broader audience and attract more casual fans you need more diversity than 6 Korean Terrans battling for the top 6 places.

IMHO, It does take away some excitement from the tournament when you know that many of your favorite players are only battling for a top 10-20 finish.

--Chegg

On August 02 2011 03:13 Zane wrote:

But the mother has to be korean, there's no other way.

On August 02 2011 15:34 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Yes, what you are saying is all true. But is it really the primary factor for making a sport big? Maybe it is. I dont think that personal engament for a player will be enough. Having players from the same country winning over and over will always remain boring for the majority of the audience. And big difference between say Korea and Brazil in football is that Brazil doesnt win 26-2 against Germany in worldchampionship finals.

If we just look on viewer numbers (would be really intresting to see how the viewer numbers changed after HuK and Naniwa got knocked out btw). Without knowing I imagine that GOM.tv has a fairly low number of viewers compared to say MLG or Dreamhack. Yet GSL has higher skill level, by far I would say, now why is that? Because there is only one nation competing and hence low interest from the rest of the world. As long as GSL is a one country show it is never going to become a large international show with the majority of the viewers coming from outside of Korea.

I know many people here think that skill is extremly important, and for many here it is, the NASL final between Puma and MC where epic for instance. But regardless, as I said above it wont make SC2 great. If you really think that a sport where players from one country humilates all other competitiors will become great (compared to a normal sport) go ahead and belive that. I dont, and I dont see what your premiss for that assumtion is either but im getting pretty tired of this discussion so sure.

I belive there is only one way that SC2 is going to be truly great and that is if the rest of the world can catch up to Korea. That will make for truly great tournaments. If the foreigners fail on the other hand and we in years from now remains where we are today, with top 6 in a international SC2 tournament is taken by one nation, I think this forum is one of the few places where SC2 will remain great.

On August 02 2011 21:21 cheggelund wrote:



IMHO, It does take away some excitement from the tournament when you know that many of your favorite players are only battling for a top 10-20 finish.

--Chegg

On August 02 2011 16:57 4ZakeN87 wrote:

If I phrase myself like this instead. If you look at MLG as a series of tournaments, which situation do think would be mostly beneficial in terms of number of viewers in a long term perspective?

A tournament where you have people from numerous countries are competing on the top level, France, US, Australia, Ukraine, Canada, Poland, Sweden, Korea and so on.
This would also per defention mean that the average level would need to become a lot more balanced in order to achive this, also resulting in that each individual game becomes harder to predict. Not to mention the hole national aspect.