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On July 31 2011 07:46 Yew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 07:45 Gamegene wrote:On July 31 2011 07:43 Yew wrote:
Zerg sees stargate, makes hydras and spores, harass shut down.
Zerg scouts dt's, make spores, harass shutdown.
Zealot warpin? Send a few roaches to the pylon. Harass shut down.
Blink stalker use infestor + hydra/ling. "Why can't there be a Protoss harassment that Zerg can't counter." Is that seriously what you're asking for, an imbalance? No, just that most of this harass is easily defended if the zerg is good. Why do you think you see so many all ins from Protoss vs. Zergs in korea?
Why can't a zerg harass a protoss?
Zergling runby? Shut down by Forcefield + Warp in
Drops? Shut down by Warp in
Mutalisks? Shut down by Blink stalkers
Nydus? Shut down by Probes
All this is easily defended if the protoss is good. Why do you think you see so many infestors from Zergs?
See what I did there?
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On July 31 2011 07:48 Yew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 07:48 Nastiness wrote:On July 31 2011 07:43 Yew wrote:On July 31 2011 07:39 Soulish wrote:On July 31 2011 07:38 Yew wrote:
Protoss needs something else for harassment. Zergs are basically free to do whatever unless you all in phoenix blink stalker dt zeal warpin Zerg sees stargate, makes hydras and spores, harass shut down. Zerg scouts dt's, make spores, harass shutdown. Zealot warpin? Send a few roaches to the pylon. Harass shut down. Blink stalker use infestor + hydra/ling. Pretty sure its prism not pylon zealot warpins  Warp prisms are so weak, when do you ever see them?
No and I have no idea why
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On July 31 2011 07:49 Nastiness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 07:48 Yew wrote:On July 31 2011 07:48 Nastiness wrote:On July 31 2011 07:43 Yew wrote:On July 31 2011 07:39 Soulish wrote:On July 31 2011 07:38 Yew wrote:
Protoss needs something else for harassment. Zergs are basically free to do whatever unless you all in phoenix blink stalker dt zeal warpin Zerg sees stargate, makes hydras and spores, harass shut down. Zerg scouts dt's, make spores, harass shutdown. Zealot warpin? Send a few roaches to the pylon. Harass shut down. Blink stalker use infestor + hydra/ling. Pretty sure its prism not pylon zealot warpins Warp prisms are so weak, when do you ever see them? No and I have no idea why
Cause they're made out of glass isntead of using any form of steel or any strong material.
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On July 31 2011 07:49 Kira__ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 07:46 Yew wrote:On July 31 2011 07:45 Gamegene wrote:On July 31 2011 07:43 Yew wrote:
Zerg sees stargate, makes hydras and spores, harass shut down.
Zerg scouts dt's, make spores, harass shutdown.
Zealot warpin? Send a few roaches to the pylon. Harass shut down.
Blink stalker use infestor + hydra/ling. "Why can't there be a Protoss harassment that Zerg can't counter." Is that seriously what you're asking for, an imbalance? No, just that most of this harass is easily defended if the zerg is good. Why do you think you see so many all ins from Protoss vs. Zergs in korea? Why can't a zerg harass a protoss? Zergling runby? Shut down by Forcefield + Warp in Drops? Shut down by Warp in Mutalisks? Shut down by Blink stalkers Nydus? Shut down by Probes All this is easily defended if the protoss is good. Why do you think you see so many infestors from Zergs? See what I did there?
Look at recent ZvP stats. Zergs are winning like 60% of the time lol.
EDIT: Zergs aren't overpowered and I don't think protoss are underpowered either, I just think that they should get some sort of warp prism buff or a new unit in the expansions etc.
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On July 31 2011 07:49 Kira__ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 07:46 Yew wrote:On July 31 2011 07:45 Gamegene wrote:On July 31 2011 07:43 Yew wrote:
Zerg sees stargate, makes hydras and spores, harass shut down.
Zerg scouts dt's, make spores, harass shutdown.
Zealot warpin? Send a few roaches to the pylon. Harass shut down.
Blink stalker use infestor + hydra/ling. "Why can't there be a Protoss harassment that Zerg can't counter." Is that seriously what you're asking for, an imbalance? No, just that most of this harass is easily defended if the zerg is good. Why do you think you see so many all ins from Protoss vs. Zergs in korea? Why can't a zerg harass a protoss? Zergling runby? Shut down by Forcefield + Warp in Drops? Shut down by Warp in Mutalisks? Shut down by Blink stalkers Nydus? Shut down by Probes All this is easily defended if the protoss is good. Why do you think you see so many infestors from Zergs? See what I did there?
Ok that wasn't quite a good list to make a point. Here is one just to be funny and sarcastic.
Burrowed Roach Harass? Cannons
Baneling Bombs? Cannons
Burrowed Infestor Harass? Cannons
Zergling Backstabs? Cannons
+ Show Spoiler + God as a protoss player I wish that was true
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On July 31 2011 07:46 Yew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 07:45 Gamegene wrote:On July 31 2011 07:43 Yew wrote:
Zerg sees stargate, makes hydras and spores, harass shut down.
Zerg scouts dt's, make spores, harass shutdown.
Zealot warpin? Send a few roaches to the pylon. Harass shut down.
Blink stalker use infestor + hydra/ling. "Why can't there be a Protoss harassment that Zerg can't counter." Is that seriously what you're asking for, an imbalance? No, just that most of this harass is easily defended if the zerg is good. Why do you think you see so many all ins from Protoss vs. Zergs in korea?
Pretty accurate. Truth be told zerg harass doesnt have hard counters the same way protoss harass does. Its a race characteristic though. I wouldnt be too worried if I was protoss about lack of harass options... instead I would be worried about the fact that no matter what you do, you'll always end up way behind unless you all-in or do some really clever timing attack that puts you way ahead. Terran has the same problem against zerg. Its a shame more people cant use Zerg to its potential because at the tip top levels where zergs seem to "get it" the race feels/looks imba.
I just wish zerg players didnt have such a shitty attitude when they cant control their race like the pros
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On July 31 2011 07:51 Yew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 07:49 Kira__ wrote:On July 31 2011 07:46 Yew wrote:On July 31 2011 07:45 Gamegene wrote:On July 31 2011 07:43 Yew wrote:
Zerg sees stargate, makes hydras and spores, harass shut down.
Zerg scouts dt's, make spores, harass shutdown.
Zealot warpin? Send a few roaches to the pylon. Harass shut down.
Blink stalker use infestor + hydra/ling. "Why can't there be a Protoss harassment that Zerg can't counter." Is that seriously what you're asking for, an imbalance? No, just that most of this harass is easily defended if the zerg is good. Why do you think you see so many all ins from Protoss vs. Zergs in korea? Why can't a zerg harass a protoss? Zergling runby? Shut down by Forcefield + Warp in Drops? Shut down by Warp in Mutalisks? Shut down by Blink stalkers Nydus? Shut down by Probes All this is easily defended if the protoss is good. Why do you think you see so many infestors from Zergs? See what I did there? Look at recent ZvP stats. Zergs are winning like 60% of the time lol. EDIT: Zergs aren't overpowered and I don't think protoss are underpowered either, I just think that they should get some sort of warp prism buff or a new unit in the expansions etc.
... way to miss the point
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This took a turn for the worse, with all the fanboys, haters and balalnce whiners, i remember why i dont read these types of threads
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On July 31 2011 07:49 Kira__ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 07:46 Yew wrote:On July 31 2011 07:45 Gamegene wrote:On July 31 2011 07:43 Yew wrote:
Zerg sees stargate, makes hydras and spores, harass shut down.
Zerg scouts dt's, make spores, harass shutdown.
Zealot warpin? Send a few roaches to the pylon. Harass shut down.
Blink stalker use infestor + hydra/ling. "Why can't there be a Protoss harassment that Zerg can't counter." Is that seriously what you're asking for, an imbalance? No, just that most of this harass is easily defended if the zerg is good. Why do you think you see so many all ins from Protoss vs. Zergs in korea? Why can't a zerg harass a protoss? Zergling runby? Shut down by Forcefield + Warp in Drops? Shut down by Warp in Mutalisks? Shut down by Blink stalkers Nydus? Shut down by Probes All this is easily defended if the protoss is good. Why do you think you see so many infestors from Zergs? See what I did there?
Well played sir.
People just tend to see what they want, and forget the strength of their race that they take for granted.
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On July 31 2011 07:52 Kira__ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 07:51 Yew wrote:On July 31 2011 07:49 Kira__ wrote:On July 31 2011 07:46 Yew wrote:On July 31 2011 07:45 Gamegene wrote:On July 31 2011 07:43 Yew wrote:
Zerg sees stargate, makes hydras and spores, harass shut down.
Zerg scouts dt's, make spores, harass shutdown.
Zealot warpin? Send a few roaches to the pylon. Harass shut down.
Blink stalker use infestor + hydra/ling. "Why can't there be a Protoss harassment that Zerg can't counter." Is that seriously what you're asking for, an imbalance? No, just that most of this harass is easily defended if the zerg is good. Why do you think you see so many all ins from Protoss vs. Zergs in korea? Why can't a zerg harass a protoss? Zergling runby? Shut down by Forcefield + Warp in Drops? Shut down by Warp in Mutalisks? Shut down by Blink stalkers Nydus? Shut down by Probes All this is easily defended if the protoss is good. Why do you think you see so many infestors from Zergs? See what I did there? Look at recent ZvP stats. Zergs are winning like 60% of the time lol. EDIT: Zergs aren't overpowered and I don't think protoss are underpowered either, I just think that they should get some sort of warp prism buff or a new unit in the expansions etc. ... way to miss the point
what point was that?
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Destiny getting knocked out by Edge702?? guess it shows 1 build wonders wont go far.
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this ain't a race discussion thread yo. let's talk about how bad selecT is getting schooled by ganzi
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On July 31 2011 07:49 Kira__ wrote:
Why can't a zerg harass a protoss?
Zergling runby? Shut down by Forcefield + Warp in
Drops? Shut down by Warp in
Mutalisks? Shut down by Blink stalkers
Nydus? Shut down by Probes
All this is easily defended if the protoss is good. Why do you think you see so many infestors from Zergs?
See what I did there? It doesn't work...if there is a harass stalement...then macro kicks in and decides the winner. Protoss can't out-macro zerg...zerg can max in like 15 minutes because their production facilities are so cheap (not to mention their units).
So we have a very tough situation for protoss... They either try to hit that perfect rush timing window which is like eying a needle with a string...that is almost impossible to do against top-flight zergs. Or they tech and hope the zerg forgets to scout (doesn't happen at the elite level). Or they try to out-macro the zerg and hope he forgets to produce drones. It's a very wonky situation for protoss because zerg is an exponential race and while protoss grows at a very linear rate. Without close spawns, a perfect protoss player loses to a perfect zerg player.
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On July 31 2011 07:52 Jayrod wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 07:46 Yew wrote:On July 31 2011 07:45 Gamegene wrote:On July 31 2011 07:43 Yew wrote:
Zerg sees stargate, makes hydras and spores, harass shut down.
Zerg scouts dt's, make spores, harass shutdown.
Zealot warpin? Send a few roaches to the pylon. Harass shut down.
Blink stalker use infestor + hydra/ling. "Why can't there be a Protoss harassment that Zerg can't counter." Is that seriously what you're asking for, an imbalance? No, just that most of this harass is easily defended if the zerg is good. Why do you think you see so many all ins from Protoss vs. Zergs in korea? Pretty accurate. Truth be told zerg harass doesnt have hard counters the same way protoss harass does. Its a race characteristic though. I wouldnt be too worried if I was protoss about lack of harass options... instead I would be worried about the fact that no matter what you do, you'll always end up way behind unless you all-in or do some really clever timing attack that puts you way ahead. Terran has the same problem against zerg. Its a shame more people cant use Zerg to its potential because at the tip top levels where zergs seem to "get it" the race feels/looks imba. I just wish zerg players didnt have such a shitty attitude when they cant control their race like the pros
So true. Look at Nestea, and look at how easy every game is for him. And its not just because hes "the best player ever".. Nestea just understands how to play zerg, while most people are playing zerg like it was terran in BW.. If you play zerg the same way BW zerg is played, its so incredibly strong.. None of this "sit there and macro for 40 minutes, and anything that attacks me within that time is cheese" mentality.
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On July 31 2011 07:56 RealQ wrote:
Destiny getting knocked out by Edge702?? guess it shows 1 build wonders wont go far.
Edge beat MoMaN and takes games off of rain.
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On July 31 2011 07:58 Fungal Growth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 07:49 Kira__ wrote:
Why can't a zerg harass a protoss?
Zergling runby? Shut down by Forcefield + Warp in
Drops? Shut down by Warp in
Mutalisks? Shut down by Blink stalkers
Nydus? Shut down by Probes
All this is easily defended if the protoss is good. Why do you think you see so many infestors from Zergs?
See what I did there? It doesn't work...if there is a harass stalement...then macro kicks in and decides the winner. Protoss can't out-macro zerg...zerg can max in like 15 minutes because their production facilities are so cheap (not to mention their units). So we have a very tough situation for protoss... They either try to hit that perfect rush timing window which is like eying a needle with a string...that is almost impossible to do against top-flight zergs. Or they tech and hope the zerg forgets to scout (doesn't happen at the elite level). Or they try to out-macro the zerg and hope he forgets to produce drones. It's a very wonky situation for protoss because zerg is an exponential race and while protoss grows at a very linear rate. Without close spawns, a perfect protoss player loses to a perfect zerg player.
Yeah poor protoss, never getting any results. Zerg is clearly imbalanced.
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On July 31 2011 07:57 megapants wrote:
this ain't a race discussion thread yo. let's talk about how bad selecT is getting schooled by ganzi
ok!
Select is getting schooled by ganzi
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Making it through the open bracket without playing any decent players, then losing convincingly to a strong zerg
therefore imba?
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apparently tyler v naniwa on blue stream? according to lindsay twitter
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