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Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
July 25 2011 10:02 GMT
#1121
But Artosis is a plant, he's the moss that grows on the tree and lets me know where the sun is.
Logic is Overrated
koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
July 25 2011 10:02 GMT
#1122
On July 25 2011 18:58 ilbh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 18:54 Hierarch wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:52 Ketch wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:50 L3g3nd_ wrote:
+2 flyer attack, preparing for broods at a guess


Broodlords do not benefit from flyer attacks, only from flyer carapace. Also, broodlings are affected by melee upgrades.


The broodlord attack is called broodling strike and it does 20 damage, each time a broodlord launches the broodling at something the impact of the broodling hitting does the 20 damage, each + flier attack gives +2 damage.

Broodlords don't attack, they shot broodlings, who does the MELEE attacks.

God frekin bronze noobs. The impact from when the broodlings hit the enemy does damage, so the Broodlord DOES attack.
Lobotomist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1541 Posts
July 25 2011 10:02 GMT
#1123
Predictions for next game.

I'm gonna say...6 or 7 gate after forge FE.
Teching to hive too quickly isn't just a risk: it's an ultrarisk
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 25 2011 10:02 GMT
#1124
On July 25 2011 18:59 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 18:57 Teton wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:56 Poopi wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:55 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:54 TheKefka wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:52 frucisky wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:51 Skyze wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:50 Yew wrote:
This is why you see so many 6 gates vs. Zerg lol.


Exactly. People dont understand WHY 4gate and FE 6gate is so common, but if you DONT do that, you basically have no chance vs a decent zerg in the mid-late game.



God please keep the balance discussion out >.<


This is not a balance discussion,that was stating a fact.You have to go almost allin against a mid game zerg that is about to start massing infestors or mutas.


It IS balance discussion. Just because you can't play defensively and make cannons and templar, doesn't mean it can't be done.

FYI: you're watching the best zerg [and player] in the world vs. a mediocre protoss.

HongUn is not a mediocre protoss at all lol.
He has a very good PvZ and has raped MC like it was easy.


HongUn is mediocre.
he basically did no harassment, letting droning neastea all game long.



Then every protoss is mediocre.

No, cause HongUn isn't close to being a great protoss. Nestea is good but everyone here is giving him a hell of a lot of credit.
Archvil3
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark989 Posts
July 25 2011 10:02 GMT
#1125
Have you guys noted how full the studio is today? It's unusual to see that many people showing up live. I don't think there has been that many people since Boxer's first SC2 live performance.
Let thy speech be better than silence, or be silent.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 25 2011 10:02 GMT
#1126
So far I've seen two games where Hongun's stargate play has done next to nothing because Nestea defended it with ease (like a lot of zergs are doing these days) and then Nestea winds up with a massive economic lead over hongun and crushes him. I wouldnt say hongun is playing well nor poorly, but simply his choice of strategy is poor - if he plays FE into stargate its a virtual loss at this point.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 25 2011 10:02 GMT
#1127
Don't curse him Artosis, like you did with bomber!!
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
July 25 2011 10:02 GMT
#1128
stop jinxing every good player, artosis!
bisu
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
July 25 2011 10:02 GMT
#1129
On July 25 2011 19:01 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 19:00 Awesomeness wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:57 Teton wrote:

HongUn is mediocre.
he basically did no harassment, letting droning neastea all game long.




Hongun made it to 4 GSL quater-finals. This guy is actually insanely good. The fact that he looks like a gold-level player in this series, shows how good Nestea actually is.

hongun got 3-0ed by lastshadow in Zotac...


And QXC (and probably other FXO members) beat Nestea in practice this week.. your point? Everyone loses games.

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Teton
Profile Joined May 2010
France1656 Posts
July 25 2011 10:02 GMT
#1130
Okay let me rephrase that : hunghun is mediocre in PvZ
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 10:04:44
July 25 2011 10:02 GMT
#1131
Ill tell you even what Hongun should have done the last 2 games because the ignorance i see in this thread is baffling.
When you scout a NO GAS pool expand from zerg you crono out STALKERS and run to the zerg forcing soo many freeking lings that he will be forced to stop droning and he wont be able to take a third.That's your first step.Thats the point when you need to start harassing a zerg and not after he manages to get to 80 drones off 3 base because no matter how many he looses hes gonna remake them in a instant.Nestea is getting ling speed at 10 freaking minutes into the game.Think about that.
Cackle™
Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
July 25 2011 10:03 GMT
#1132
Am I the only one who have this problem with the sound being super low after commercial breaks? It was like this last friday too. :S
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L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
July 25 2011 10:03 GMT
#1133
On July 25 2011 18:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 18:50 L3g3nd_ wrote:
+2 flyer attack, preparing for broods at a guess

broodlings use melee attack upgrade

yeah but the broods do dmg to, which uses the flyer upgrade, hence why he was getting it
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 25 2011 10:03 GMT
#1134
On July 25 2011 19:01 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 19:00 dennistoo wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:56 Poopi wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:55 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:54 TheKefka wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:52 frucisky wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:51 Skyze wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:50 Yew wrote:
This is why you see so many 6 gates vs. Zerg lol.


Exactly. People dont understand WHY 4gate and FE 6gate is so common, but if you DONT do that, you basically have no chance vs a decent zerg in the mid-late game.



God please keep the balance discussion out >.<


This is not a balance discussion,that was stating a fact.You have to go almost allin against a mid game zerg that is about to start massing infestors or mutas.


It IS balance discussion. Just because you can't play defensively and make cannons and templar, doesn't mean it can't be done.

FYI: you're watching the best zerg [and player] in the world vs. a mediocre protoss.

HongUn is not a mediocre protoss at all lol.
He has a very good PvZ and has raped MC like it was easy.


Sorry, he raped MC by 4-gating in 3 match up where MC wasn't totally prepare well for a 4 Gate Allin from HongUh as HongUh did said he hates to us 4 Gate.

That's your excuse? MC may have played bad but how can you not expect the most basic pvp build that he himself used a lot? I'm pretty sure that the two best PvZ ratio (in GSL games not korean weeklys or tournaments like that) are MC and HongUn.

MC, lord of the 4 gate, lost to 4gates so it doesnt count? Didn't MC make his name in PvP by 4gating everyone perfectly?
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DonaldLee
Profile Joined August 2010
586 Posts
July 25 2011 10:03 GMT
#1135
On July 25 2011 19:01 Codeskye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 18:59 Skyze wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:55 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:54 TheKefka wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:52 frucisky wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:51 Skyze wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:50 Yew wrote:
This is why you see so many 6 gates vs. Zerg lol.


Exactly. People dont understand WHY 4gate and FE 6gate is so common, but if you DONT do that, you basically have no chance vs a decent zerg in the mid-late game.



God please keep the balance discussion out >.<


This is not a balance discussion,that was stating a fact.You have to go almost allin against a mid game zerg that is about to start massing infestors or mutas.


It IS balance discussion. Just because you can't play defensively and make cannons and templar, doesn't mean it can't be done.

FYI: you're watching the best zerg [and player] in the world vs. a mediocre protoss.


A mediocre protoss doesnt get to round of 4. A mediocre protoss doesnt beat MC last round.





let me add another thing: a mediocre protoss won't stay in code s since the beginning. hongun's one of the most consistent code s player and he hasn't even dropped to code a.

hongun is highly underrated, damn.


He's just boring. People equate flashiness with skill. That's why every other player that makes a quick rise is the next best player in the world.
nanoscorp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1237 Posts
July 25 2011 10:03 GMT
#1136
On July 25 2011 18:57 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Hey everyone. I think we can all at least agree that HongUn vs Nestea > Inca vs Nestea right?


Much better than the finals, where we basically saw the same build get slapped down over and over. Here at least we're seeing different units on both sides.

I think Artosis is spot on with his analysis. Nestea's scouting + gas timing + tech path is brilliant.
aDd3z
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany885 Posts
July 25 2011 10:03 GMT
#1137
ok nestea is too good this is boring
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ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
July 25 2011 10:03 GMT
#1138
On July 25 2011 18:58 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 18:58 ilbh wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:54 Hierarch wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:52 Ketch wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:50 L3g3nd_ wrote:
+2 flyer attack, preparing for broods at a guess


Broodlords do not benefit from flyer attacks, only from flyer carapace. Also, broodlings are affected by melee upgrades.


The broodlord attack is called broodling strike and it does 20 damage, each time a broodlord launches the broodling at something the impact of the broodling hitting does the 20 damage, each + flier attack gives +2 damage.

Broodlords don't attack, they shot broodlings, who does the MELEE attacks.


You're an idiot. Broodlords fling broodlings, which deal initial 20 + 2per up FLYER DAMAGE. Broodlings do their individual damage afterwards.

the initial attack you're talking about is the initial attack the broodling does and is not effected by fyer upgrades. where did you get this information from?
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
Shadico
Profile Joined April 2011
United States32 Posts
July 25 2011 10:03 GMT
#1139
You all heard it first from Tasteless! Only way to even have a chance at Nestea, CANNON CHEESE! rofl.
There ain't nothin' to it, Day[9] made me do it!
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
July 25 2011 10:03 GMT
#1140
On July 25 2011 19:00 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 18:58 DonaldLee wrote:
Wow at the number of people who don't know that Broodlords benefit from flyer attack. Wow.


The DPS increase is only .8

It's not even worth it.

If he was getting +2 flyer attack it was for either muta or corruptor transition.


I usually start with + carapace if I'm going for broodlords since anything that lets them survive longer is super beneficial, especially vs terran since vikings have 2 attacks.
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