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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
July 25 2011 10:00 GMT
#1081
On July 25 2011 18:59 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 18:57 Teton wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:56 Poopi wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:55 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:54 TheKefka wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:52 frucisky wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:51 Skyze wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:50 Yew wrote:
This is why you see so many 6 gates vs. Zerg lol.


Exactly. People dont understand WHY 4gate and FE 6gate is so common, but if you DONT do that, you basically have no chance vs a decent zerg in the mid-late game.



God please keep the balance discussion out >.<


This is not a balance discussion,that was stating a fact.You have to go almost allin against a mid game zerg that is about to start massing infestors or mutas.


It IS balance discussion. Just because you can't play defensively and make cannons and templar, doesn't mean it can't be done.

FYI: you're watching the best zerg [and player] in the world vs. a mediocre protoss.

HongUn is not a mediocre protoss at all lol.
He has a very good PvZ and has raped MC like it was easy.


HongUn is mediocre.
he basically did no harassment, letting droning neastea all game long.



Then every protoss is mediocre.

Look at Sage's highly aggressive PvZ from the GSTL, and then look at HongUn's aggression in this series. HongUn is passive as shit.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
July 25 2011 10:00 GMT
#1082
On July 25 2011 18:59 Skyze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 18:55 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:54 TheKefka wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:52 frucisky wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:51 Skyze wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:50 Yew wrote:
This is why you see so many 6 gates vs. Zerg lol.


Exactly. People dont understand WHY 4gate and FE 6gate is so common, but if you DONT do that, you basically have no chance vs a decent zerg in the mid-late game.



God please keep the balance discussion out >.<


This is not a balance discussion,that was stating a fact.You have to go almost allin against a mid game zerg that is about to start massing infestors or mutas.


It IS balance discussion. Just because you can't play defensively and make cannons and templar, doesn't mean it can't be done.

FYI: you're watching the best zerg [and player] in the world vs. a mediocre protoss.


A mediocre protoss doesnt get to round of 4. A mediocre protoss doesnt beat MC last round.



Inca got to the finals and he is quite mediocre, being only good at PvP, cheesing in PvT and just being bad at PvZ.
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
Gaxton
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden2328 Posts
July 25 2011 10:00 GMT
#1083
On July 25 2011 18:58 DonaldLee wrote:
Wow at the number of people who don't know that Broodlords benefit from flyer attack. Wow.


We just straight up hate broodlords.
We dont need to know how they work.
Maskedsatyr
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore1245 Posts
July 25 2011 10:00 GMT
#1084
Nestea!! 3-0 gogogo
"Don't believe in you who believes in me, don't believe in me who believes in you, believe in you...who believes in yourself!"
Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
July 25 2011 10:00 GMT
#1085
On July 25 2011 18:58 namste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 18:56 Drygioni wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:54 cENTRYZ wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:53 DonaldLee wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:51 cENTRYZ wrote:
NesTea just making some stuff, defendig some stuff, rolling over some stuff. I can't see anyone win vs NesTea in the finals, bo7.


I think the only player he's even lost a Bo5 to has been MVP.

Wrong, he lost to oGsTOP in the ro8 in the super tournament.


I also think it's worth noting that when he lost to MVP one of the games was on close positions old shakuras, so that game wasn't really fair. Also blistering sands.


Nestea has lost before, otherwise he'd soon to be 9th time champion. Even the gods get hurt sometime.


Nestea vs Top was bo3 btw
The great Spaghetti vs Screwdriver debacle of June '12" - Porcelina
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 10:00:56
July 25 2011 10:00 GMT
#1086
On July 25 2011 18:59 Skyze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 18:55 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:54 TheKefka wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:52 frucisky wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:51 Skyze wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:50 Yew wrote:
This is why you see so many 6 gates vs. Zerg lol.


Exactly. People dont understand WHY 4gate and FE 6gate is so common, but if you DONT do that, you basically have no chance vs a decent zerg in the mid-late game.



God please keep the balance discussion out >.<


This is not a balance discussion,that was stating a fact.You have to go almost allin against a mid game zerg that is about to start massing infestors or mutas.


It IS balance discussion. Just because you can't play defensively and make cannons and templar, doesn't mean it can't be done.

FYI: you're watching the best zerg [and player] in the world vs. a mediocre protoss.


A mediocre protoss doesnt get to round of 4. A mediocre protoss doesnt beat MC last round.

Well Inca made it to the finals, and I think it's pretty undisputed that that was one of MC's worst GSL performances... Sometimes you just get lucky
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
July 25 2011 10:00 GMT
#1087
On July 25 2011 18:57 Teton wrote:

HongUn is mediocre.
he basically did no harassment, letting droning neastea all game long.




Hongun made it to 4 GSL quater-finals. This guy is actually insanely good. The fact that he looks like a gold-level player in this series, shows how good Nestea actually is.
xlord 5:0
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
July 25 2011 10:00 GMT
#1088
On July 25 2011 18:59 Demidyne wrote:
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On July 25 2011 18:55 Sabu113 wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:53 Serpico wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:53 Spekulatius wrote:
Zerg players all over the world, take notes! This is how you do it.

So you expect every zerg to play like nestea?


Hey everyone expects us to play like MC :p

As a terran everyone expects us to play like... uhhh... oh crud

MMA MVP Optimus Bomber MarineKing
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
July 25 2011 10:00 GMT
#1089
On July 25 2011 18:57 Telcontar wrote:
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On July 25 2011 18:56 Silentness wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:54 VashTS wrote:
You know, that Roach micro dodging those Storms... was really damn good.


haha those were matrix roaches.

They knew kung fu.


"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
cENTRYZ
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway832 Posts
July 25 2011 10:00 GMT
#1090
On July 25 2011 18:58 Pajegetc wrote:
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On July 25 2011 18:56 cENTRYZ wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:55 King.Crimson wrote:
Please oh please don't let it be ZvZ final. But i guess that would be fitting, considering the history of GSL finals.. :/

We don't get to see alot of ZvZ. I for one, would LOVE to see a ZvZ between the two best zergs in the world, in a bo7.


Why do you hate everyone? ZvZ finals is the worst thing you can wish on anyone.

Then don't watch it.
LeaD
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada464 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 10:02:07
July 25 2011 10:00 GMT
#1091
On July 25 2011 18:54 Teton wrote:
Soorry but honghun played so badly, he didnt basically nothing ,letting nestea dronning like crazy.
He just stayed in his base and lost


Nestea is doing amazing scouting and is playing it safe until he CAN drone up. Hongun is playing very well, his force fields and unit compositions haven't been bad at all either. Where he's lacking is his strategies and this continual need to use stargates that Nestea is countering easily. The other problem is that Nestea is just doing great creating more time for himself to tech and drone up, and he builds good amounts of stationary defense, unlike most Zergs that seem to be giving away a piece of their soul to build an extra spore or spine crawler.

MC wouldn't be playing this any better, he hasn't gone very far in the GSL or beaten his fellow Koreans in a tournament ever since 6 gate timing pushes have been somewhat countered. Not to say he's playing bad all of a sudden or his late game is awful, but he's just not dominating the way he used too and he hasn't won a tournament in a while. Nestea is just playing amazing and Hongun needs to stop with the Stargate tech (which MC does a lot against Zerg as well) and try for a different direction in tech and units.
Lorizean
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1330 Posts
July 25 2011 10:00 GMT
#1092
On July 25 2011 18:58 DonaldLee wrote:
Wow at the number of people who don't know that Broodlords benefit from flyer attack. Wow.

well, I think overall it's still better to upgrade melee attack?
If you had to choose I mean.
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 10:03:18
July 25 2011 10:00 GMT
#1093
Man ... there are a lot of people there today ...
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 25 2011 10:00 GMT
#1094
those ladies make me feel funny
lalala
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 25 2011 10:00 GMT
#1095
On July 25 2011 18:59 Pipeline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 18:54 Dragonmaster26 wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:52 IceSlipper wrote:
why oh why didnt they send him out vs qxc! i know he was preparing for the individual tournament but surely he still could have rolled fxo without revealing anything! guy is just a boss..


FXOBoSS said on Choya's stream that QXC beats Nestea in practice and that he didn't expect IM to send NesTea out.


I very much doubt that. QXC might have beat Nestea once or twice on ladder... but who the fuck uses the ladder as a accurate source for training?


I believe NesTea said he only uses ladder to play funky style and never serious, just trying to face all the cheeses there is.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
eMCeesquareZ
Profile Joined July 2011
Malaysia15 Posts
July 25 2011 10:01 GMT
#1096
On July 25 2011 18:53 Benjef wrote:
I hate GOM player constantly giving me error 51s . Worked for the first game now won't at all.


Same here FML im gonna miss the IM zerg matches if it continues
Xkalibert
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1404 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 10:07:15
July 25 2011 10:01 GMT
#1097
GSL semi final is so packed that people have to sit on the hallway (lobby)
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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 25 2011 10:01 GMT
#1098
On July 25 2011 19:00 HinagikUx wrote:
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On July 25 2011 18:53 eYeball wrote:
I think HongUn plays really good, but NesTea is one of those few zergs like DRG that plays on a whole different level.


Yeah, if nestea played so brilliantly, then what did hongun do? Trying not to cry imba, but its hard to imagine playing any better than HongUn just did. Perfect FF's (holy crap those were good), good timing on 3rd base, but still not even remotely CLOSE to a win.

Maybe stargate isnt the way to go? But then again, we saw nestea hold off a 7gate pretty easily. Not many more options it seems like...7gate with or without blink/obs is strongest all-in that hits around zerg 3rd base timing and it doesnt work if dealt with properly. Its just down hill from there for the toss
. Cant wait for some toss to revolutionize the matchup, but right now it seems so one-sided.

Like people have been saying, you can't let Nestea get 80 drones by like 10 minutes. You have to harass/force units out to keep his drone count down.
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
July 25 2011 10:01 GMT
#1099
On July 25 2011 18:58 ilbh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 18:54 Hierarch wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:52 Ketch wrote:
On July 25 2011 18:50 L3g3nd_ wrote:
+2 flyer attack, preparing for broods at a guess


Broodlords do not benefit from flyer attacks, only from flyer carapace. Also, broodlings are affected by melee upgrades.


The broodlord attack is called broodling strike and it does 20 damage, each time a broodlord launches the broodling at something the impact of the broodling hitting does the 20 damage, each + flier attack gives +2 damage.

Broodlords don't attack, they shot broodlings, who does the MELEE attacks.


Please don't comment on things u know nothing about.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
MayorITC
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)798 Posts
July 25 2011 10:01 GMT
#1100
There are far too many tells to pull off a 6-gate against someone like Nestea cross-positions on Meta.

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