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On July 25 2011 18:55 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 18:53 Serpico wrote:On July 25 2011 18:53 Spekulatius wrote:
Zerg players all over the world, take notes! This is how you do it. So you expect every zerg to play like nestea?  Hey everyone expects us to play like MC :p
As a terran everyone expects us to play like... uhhh... oh crud
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On July 25 2011 18:57 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 18:55 DystopiaX wrote:On July 25 2011 18:54 Dragonmaster26 wrote:On July 25 2011 18:52 IceSlipper wrote:
why oh why didnt they send him out vs qxc! i know he was preparing for the individual tournament but surely he still could have rolled fxo without revealing anything! guy is just a boss.. FXOBoSS said on Choya's stream that QXC beats Nestea in practice and that he didn't expect IM to send NesTea out. ehhh....I think any pro/decent player can occasionally take games off anyone else but in a tourney setting it's probably different. Also consider on ladder that Nestea probably isn't showing his best strats cause you don't want to reveal those to the world. best nestea practices against fxo...right? I dont' think nestea likes to show his strategies in practice/ladder games. Most the games we see out of him are this weird composition...Who here has ever gone zergling/infestor/baneling against chargelot/archon. Also, MC is probably shaking his head saying.."that coulda been me getting destroyed"
Doubt it. MC is probably like... fuck that I could have won this. MC would act all confident like he always does. He's not going to just be like omg Nestea is too good for me I would get owned. That's completely against his stage persona
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On July 25 2011 18:58 pyro19 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 18:57 DystopiaX wrote:On July 25 2011 18:56 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 25 2011 18:54 koolaid1990 wrote:
Nestea literally went pure drones and got his lair like 10 minutes into the game....
any composition without harass would have still won the game because hongun went voidray/pheonix which was stopped easily. If the toss 6gated, it would have been harder to stop He would have seen the Gates, though, on his scouting and gone heavy roach. HongUn isn't hiding enough tech to concern Nestea to play a non-safe, super macro game. In PvZ, if a Protoss wants to Forge FE like that, they've gotta play it more like TvZ, where you go all the way to the "deathball" style, making it very hard to break. So what you're saying is that Hongun should proxygate him...lol What he"s saying is that Hongun needs to turtle and macro more.
So your saying he needs to practice with col.Cruncher?
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On July 25 2011 18:57 Teton wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 18:56 Poopi wrote:On July 25 2011 18:55 RogerChillingworth wrote:On July 25 2011 18:54 TheKefka wrote:On July 25 2011 18:52 frucisky wrote:On July 25 2011 18:51 Skyze wrote:On July 25 2011 18:50 Yew wrote:
This is why you see so many 6 gates vs. Zerg lol. Exactly. People dont understand WHY 4gate and FE 6gate is so common, but if you DONT do that, you basically have no chance vs a decent zerg in the mid-late game. God please keep the balance discussion out >.< This is not a balance discussion,that was stating a fact.You have to go almost allin against a mid game zerg that is about to start massing infestors or mutas. It IS balance discussion. Just because you can't play defensively and make cannons and templar, doesn't mean it can't be done. FYI: you're watching the best zerg [and player] in the world vs. a mediocre protoss. HongUn is not a mediocre protoss at all lol. He has a very good PvZ and has raped MC like it was easy. HongUn is mediocre. he basically did no harassment, letting droning neastea all game long.
Then every protoss is mediocre.
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On July 25 2011 18:58 ilbh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 18:54 Hierarch wrote:On July 25 2011 18:52 Ketch wrote:On July 25 2011 18:50 L3g3nd_ wrote:
+2 flyer attack, preparing for broods at a guess Broodlords do not benefit from flyer attacks, only from flyer carapace. Also, broodlings are affected by melee upgrades. The broodlord attack is called broodling strike and it does 20 damage, each time a broodlord launches the broodling at something the impact of the broodling hitting does the 20 damage, each + flier attack gives +2 damage. Broodlords don't attack, they shot broodlings, who does the MELEE attacks.
Don't try to sound like you know something when you're wrong. He's right, Broodling Strike does get +damage from the Plus Flyer Attacks, it's the subsequent attacks of the spawned Broodling that gain damage from the Melee attacks.
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Should also be pointed out that NesTea read the 3-base Protoss into "Deathball" style and just dumped his excess minerals into Zergling run-bys (along with more scouting). NesTea isn't playing passive anymore, just waiting for his opponent to do something wrong. He's looking for openings then seizing them.
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On July 25 2011 18:55 King.Crimson wrote:
Please oh please don't let it be ZvZ final. But i guess that would be fitting, considering the history of GSL finals.. :/
Hey man, what about at the 3-3 standings, 1 baneling come in and can determine the outcome of the finals olol 
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On July 25 2011 18:54 Dragonmaster26 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 18:52 IceSlipper wrote:
why oh why didnt they send him out vs qxc! i know he was preparing for the individual tournament but surely he still could have rolled fxo without revealing anything! guy is just a boss.. FXOBoSS said on Choya's stream that QXC beats Nestea in practice and that he didn't expect IM to send NesTea out.
I very much doubt that. QXC might have beat Nestea once or twice on ladder... but who the fuck uses the ladder as a accurate source for training?
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On July 25 2011 18:57 Teton wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 18:56 Poopi wrote:On July 25 2011 18:55 RogerChillingworth wrote:On July 25 2011 18:54 TheKefka wrote:On July 25 2011 18:52 frucisky wrote:On July 25 2011 18:51 Skyze wrote:On July 25 2011 18:50 Yew wrote:
This is why you see so many 6 gates vs. Zerg lol. Exactly. People dont understand WHY 4gate and FE 6gate is so common, but if you DONT do that, you basically have no chance vs a decent zerg in the mid-late game. God please keep the balance discussion out >.< This is not a balance discussion,that was stating a fact.You have to go almost allin against a mid game zerg that is about to start massing infestors or mutas. It IS balance discussion. Just because you can't play defensively and make cannons and templar, doesn't mean it can't be done. FYI: you're watching the best zerg [and player] in the world vs. a mediocre protoss. HongUn is not a mediocre protoss at all lol. He has a very good PvZ and has raped MC like it was easy. HongUn is mediocre. he basically did no harassment, letting droning neastea all game long.
What harassment is he supposed to do lol? He tried going stargate, if he goes dt's nestea will just do what he did vs. inca.
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On July 25 2011 18:56 Drygioni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 18:54 cENTRYZ wrote:On July 25 2011 18:53 DonaldLee wrote:On July 25 2011 18:51 cENTRYZ wrote:
NesTea just making some stuff, defendig some stuff, rolling over some stuff. I can't see anyone win vs NesTea in the finals, bo7. I think the only player he's even lost a Bo5 to has been MVP. Wrong, he lost to oGsTOP in the ro8 in the super tournament. I also think it's worth noting that when he lost to MVP one of the games was on close positions old shakuras, so that game wasn't really fair. Also blistering sands.
The game vs top was bo3.
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Its NO balance question, the protoss simply plays to passive, harassing 1 time with phoenixes and after that teching up to templar with robo while camping and taking the 3rd without mapcontrol has nothing to do with overpowered zerg-macro or something, its simply the protoss fault to let the zerg macro up drones and larva without any pressure/mapcontrol.
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On July 25 2011 18:57 tyrless wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 18:52 Ertu wrote:
I'm sorry,but this was super sloppy by Nestea. He was just streaming banelings into Archons,and he won because Honhun could not macro a decent army. I guess you're not really paying attention or know how the game works, but when you have the clear macro advantage and can lay a killing blow with the units you have, regardless of "unit counters", you do it, so he did.
Indeed. So many bronze league geniuses thinking they know better strategy than the best player in the world.
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On July 25 2011 18:58 ilbh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 18:54 Hierarch wrote:On July 25 2011 18:52 Ketch wrote:On July 25 2011 18:50 L3g3nd_ wrote:
+2 flyer attack, preparing for broods at a guess Broodlords do not benefit from flyer attacks, only from flyer carapace. Also, broodlings are affected by melee upgrades. The broodlord attack is called broodling strike and it does 20 damage, each time a broodlord launches the broodling at something the impact of the broodling hitting does the 20 damage, each + flier attack gives +2 damage. Broodlords don't attack, they shot broodlings, who does the MELEE attacks.
Dude, L2starcraft, seriously. Broodlords do flyer attacks, and THEN the broddlings do melee.
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On July 25 2011 18:57 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 18:52 DisaFear wrote:On July 25 2011 18:51 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
so mcuh people in the audience, what happened? what has happened as of late?
either way, GG. NesTea happened The GSL crowds have been growing in size and volume for the last few weeks. I think MLG and NASL finals hurt their Korean pride, and now they're stepping it up.
We win all the foreign tournaments, hence our pride is hurt!
I get your point though of foreign tournaments starting to over take the GSL at least in general.
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On July 25 2011 18:58 DonaldLee wrote:
Wow at the number of people who don't know that Broodlords benefit from flyer attack. Wow.
The DPS increase is only .8
It's not even worth it.
If he was getting +2 flyer attack it was for either muta or corruptor transition.
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On July 25 2011 18:56 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 18:55 RogerChillingworth wrote:On July 25 2011 18:54 TheKefka wrote:On July 25 2011 18:52 frucisky wrote:On July 25 2011 18:51 Skyze wrote:On July 25 2011 18:50 Yew wrote:
This is why you see so many 6 gates vs. Zerg lol. Exactly. People dont understand WHY 4gate and FE 6gate is so common, but if you DONT do that, you basically have no chance vs a decent zerg in the mid-late game. God please keep the balance discussion out >.< This is not a balance discussion,that was stating a fact.You have to go almost allin against a mid game zerg that is about to start massing infestors or mutas. It IS balance discussion. Just because you can't play defensively and make cannons and templar, doesn't mean it can't be done. FYI: you're watching the best zerg [and player] in the world vs. a mediocre protoss. HongUn is not a mediocre protoss at all lol. He has a very good PvZ and has raped MC like it was easy.
Sorry, he raped MC by 4-gating in 3 match up where MC wasn't totally prepare well for a 4 Gate Allin from HongUh as HongUh did said he hates to us 4 Gate.
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On July 25 2011 18:53 eYeball wrote:
I think HongUn plays really good, but NesTea is one of those few zergs like DRG that plays on a whole different level.
Yeah, if nestea played so brilliantly, then what did hongun do? Trying not to cry imba, but its hard to imagine playing any better than HongUn just did. Perfect FF's (holy crap those were good), good timing on 3rd base, but still not even remotely CLOSE to a win.
Maybe stargate isnt the way to go? But then again, we saw nestea hold off a 7gate pretty easily. Not many more options it seems like...7gate with or without blink/obs is strongest all-in that hits around zerg 3rd base timing and it doesnt work if dealt with properly. Its just down hill from there for the toss
 . Cant wait for some toss to revolutionize the matchup, but right now it seems so one-sided.
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On July 25 2011 18:56 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 18:55 RogerChillingworth wrote:On July 25 2011 18:54 TheKefka wrote:On July 25 2011 18:52 frucisky wrote:On July 25 2011 18:51 Skyze wrote:On July 25 2011 18:50 Yew wrote:
This is why you see so many 6 gates vs. Zerg lol. Exactly. People dont understand WHY 4gate and FE 6gate is so common, but if you DONT do that, you basically have no chance vs a decent zerg in the mid-late game. God please keep the balance discussion out >.< This is not a balance discussion,that was stating a fact.You have to go almost allin against a mid game zerg that is about to start massing infestors or mutas. It IS balance discussion. Just because you can't play defensively and make cannons and templar, doesn't mean it can't be done. FYI: you're watching the best zerg [and player] in the world vs. a mediocre protoss. HongUn is not a mediocre protoss at all lol. He has a very good PvZ and has raped MC like it was easy.
and he's still mediocre and not half the player MC or nestea is.
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On July 25 2011 18:58 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 18:56 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 25 2011 18:54 Dragonmaster26 wrote:On July 25 2011 18:52 IceSlipper wrote:
why oh why didnt they send him out vs qxc! i know he was preparing for the individual tournament but surely he still could have rolled fxo without revealing anything! guy is just a boss.. FXOBoSS said on Choya's stream that QXC beats Nestea in practice and that he didn't expect IM to send NesTea out. But Nestea admitted that he messes around all the time in practice and on the ladder to feign weakness. If you remember before the Nestea sCfOu games, sC was like... I beat Nestea all the time on the ladder. I think he'll be really easy. Then after the games sC said it was like facing a completely different person This. Nestea would never show his true strength in practice or on ladder. It would just be unfair for everyone.
A lot of Koreans don't practice seriously on ladder either. I forget who it was but someone said in an interview or something that alot of Koreans actually offrace on ladder to get to know the other races/for fun.
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On July 25 2011 18:57 Teton wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 18:56 Poopi wrote:On July 25 2011 18:55 RogerChillingworth wrote:On July 25 2011 18:54 TheKefka wrote:On July 25 2011 18:52 frucisky wrote:On July 25 2011 18:51 Skyze wrote:On July 25 2011 18:50 Yew wrote:
This is why you see so many 6 gates vs. Zerg lol. Exactly. People dont understand WHY 4gate and FE 6gate is so common, but if you DONT do that, you basically have no chance vs a decent zerg in the mid-late game. God please keep the balance discussion out >.< This is not a balance discussion,that was stating a fact.You have to go almost allin against a mid game zerg that is about to start massing infestors or mutas. It IS balance discussion. Just because you can't play defensively and make cannons and templar, doesn't mean it can't be done. FYI: you're watching the best zerg [and player] in the world vs. a mediocre protoss. HongUn is not a mediocre protoss at all lol. He has a very good PvZ and has raped MC like it was easy. HongUn is mediocre. he basically did no harassment, letting droning neastea all game long.
He tried dude, with those phoenixes. And any attempt to harass with gateway units against lings is basically committing anyway, he might as well go all-in at that point because if the harass fails he wont be able to retreat and lose everything.
Nestea just got hongun figured out for now.
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