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On July 25 2011 19:01 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 18:56 Drygioni wrote:On July 25 2011 18:54 cENTRYZ wrote:On July 25 2011 18:53 DonaldLee wrote:On July 25 2011 18:51 cENTRYZ wrote:
NesTea just making some stuff, defendig some stuff, rolling over some stuff. I can't see anyone win vs NesTea in the finals, bo7. I think the only player he's even lost a Bo5 to has been MVP. Wrong, he lost to oGsTOP in the ro8 in the super tournament. I also think it's worth noting that when he lost to MVP one of the games was on close positions old shakuras, so that game wasn't really fair. Also blistering sands. Then is it also worth noting that MVP also 4-0d Nestea right before that GSL at the Gainward Tourney? He went 7-1 vs him in like a month span. You can't blame that on maps
All of the maps were pretty bad back then to be fair. There were close positions, freaking Jungle Basin, and that was the month that MVP was unbeatable. He was on fire pretty hard back then.
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So I know labeling someone bonjwa in SC2 right now is pretty dumb, since that title is for the elite of the elitist players dominating for a long period of time.
But my question is, let's say Nestea out right wins every remainder GSL this year. How much more does he need to win to be possibly given that label?
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On July 25 2011 19:03 zeehar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 19:02 Pajegetc wrote:On July 25 2011 18:59 Pipeline wrote:On July 25 2011 18:54 Dragonmaster26 wrote:On July 25 2011 18:52 IceSlipper wrote:
why oh why didnt they send him out vs qxc! i know he was preparing for the individual tournament but surely he still could have rolled fxo without revealing anything! guy is just a boss.. FXOBoSS said on Choya's stream that QXC beats Nestea in practice and that he didn't expect IM to send NesTea out. I very much doubt that. QXC might have beat Nestea once or twice on ladder... but who the fuck uses the ladder as a accurate source for training? I can see QXC beating Nestea convincingly since QXC won't allow Nestea to drone at all with his constant aggression. QXC is the best player in the entire world. yay. can we stop talking about him now?
Better then blah blah blah Nestea this blah blah blah Nestea That.
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It looks like Nestea could defend FFE 1 or 2 stargate plays blindfolded with both hands tied behind his back. He barely stops 4sd-ing. Ditch the stargates, hongun.
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On July 25 2011 19:02 Plexa wrote:
So far I've seen two games where Hongun's stargate play has done next to nothing because Nestea defended it with ease (like a lot of zergs are doing these days) and then Nestea winds up with a massive economic lead over hongun and crushes him. I wouldnt say hongun is playing well nor poorly, but simply his choice of strategy is poor - if he plays FE into stargate its a virtual loss at this point.
Stargate play almost never does much. I feel as if these days, people use it to take away map vision from the Zerg and force Spores. I never see Stargate play accomplish anything other than this, except maybe a few Drones and possibly a Queen.
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On July 25 2011 19:02 TheKefka wrote:
Ill tell you even what Hongun should have done the last 2 games because the ignorance i see in this thread is baffling.
When you scout a NO GAS pool expand from zerg you crono out STALKERS and run to the zerg forcing soo many freeking lings that he will be forced to stop droning and he wont be able to take a third.Nestea is getting ling speed at 10 freaking minutes into the game.Think about that.
Nestead opened gas/pool game 2. And Hongun Forge-fe-d.... Who is showing ignorance now? 
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Did anyone get a screenshot? I dont see faces
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On July 25 2011 19:04 PeggyHill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 19:02 Plexa wrote:
So far I've seen two games where Hongun's stargate play has done next to nothing because Nestea defended it with ease (like a lot of zergs are doing these days) and then Nestea winds up with a massive economic lead over hongun and crushes him. I wouldnt say hongun is playing well nor poorly, but simply his choice of strategy is poor - if he plays FE into stargate its a virtual loss at this point. Is this only because Nestea can predict it coming, or is it due to a weakness in the stargate opening in PvZ?
Bit of both. Now that Zergs have learned that spores are pretty good they are having a lot easier time defending.
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On July 25 2011 19:03 ilbh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 18:58 ch33psh33p wrote:On July 25 2011 18:58 ilbh wrote:On July 25 2011 18:54 Hierarch wrote:On July 25 2011 18:52 Ketch wrote:On July 25 2011 18:50 L3g3nd_ wrote:
+2 flyer attack, preparing for broods at a guess Broodlords do not benefit from flyer attacks, only from flyer carapace. Also, broodlings are affected by melee upgrades. The broodlord attack is called broodling strike and it does 20 damage, each time a broodlord launches the broodling at something the impact of the broodling hitting does the 20 damage, each + flier attack gives +2 damage. Broodlords don't attack, they shot broodlings, who does the MELEE attacks. You're an idiot. Broodlords fling broodlings, which deal initial 20 + 2per up FLYER DAMAGE. Broodlings do their individual damage afterwards. the initial attack you're talking about is the initial attack the broodling does and is not effected by fyer upgrades. where did you get this information from?
Lol you are wrong. The broodling impact does damage and is affected by flyer upgrades. Then the broodling does damage by melee attacks.
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omg those faces.
lol clowns killed the Plott's father. TT
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On July 25 2011 19:04 Bayyne wrote:
So I know labeling someone bonjwa in SC2 right now is pretty dumb, since that title is for the elite of the elitist players dominating for a long period of time.
But my question is, let's say Nestea out right wins every remainder GSL this year. How much more does he need to win to be possibly given that label?
The koreans will let us know when is reaches that status.
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On July 25 2011 19:03 Teton wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 19:02 TheKefka wrote:
Ill tell you even what Hongun should have done the last 2 games because the ignorance i see in this thread is baffling.
When you scout a NO GAS pool expand from zerg you crono out STALKERS and run to the zerg forcing soo many freeking lings that he will be forced to stop droning and he wont be able to take a third.Nestea is getting ling speed at 10 freaking minutes into the game.Think about that. This is the point i'm trying to make.
this works if you go standard, but with forge expand, you never know when speed is going to kick in and youre gonna lose your stalkers, because you get them so late.
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On July 25 2011 19:03 Teton wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 19:02 TheKefka wrote:
Ill tell you even what Hongun should have done the last 2 games because the ignorance i see in this thread is baffling.
When you scout a NO GAS pool expand from zerg you crono out STALKERS and run to the zerg forcing soo many freeking lings that he will be forced to stop droning and he wont be able to take a third.Nestea is getting ling speed at 10 freaking minutes into the game.Think about that. This is the point i'm trying to make.
He gas expoed on 2nd game tho, but i kinda agree, however stalkers would be late if u are Forge Fast expoing
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On July 25 2011 19:04 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 19:02 TheKefka wrote:
Ill tell you even what Hongun should have done the last 2 games because the ignorance i see in this thread is baffling.
When you scout a NO GAS pool expand from zerg you crono out STALKERS and run to the zerg forcing soo many freeking lings that he will be forced to stop droning and he wont be able to take a third.Nestea is getting ling speed at 10 freaking minutes into the game.Think about that. After committing to forge-fe? Yeah that isn't going to work... But he does need to do some timing pushes to punish nesteas greed
Plex I think we need another PvZ guide.
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On July 25 2011 19:04 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 19:02 TheKefka wrote:
Ill tell you even what Hongun should have done the last 2 games because the ignorance i see in this thread is baffling.
When you scout a NO GAS pool expand from zerg you crono out STALKERS and run to the zerg forcing soo many freeking lings that he will be forced to stop droning and he wont be able to take a third.Nestea is getting ling speed at 10 freaking minutes into the game.Think about that. After committing to forge-fe? Yeah that isn't going to work... But he does need to do some timing pushes to punish nesteas greed
Nestea plays greedy because he knows he can. Both games he sees a forge FE into a stargate. If he didn't see the stargate then I think it's pretty safe to assume he wouldn't drone as hard as he did.
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