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On July 25 2011 19:06 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 19:02 TheKefka wrote: Ill tell you even what Hongun should have done the last 2 games because the ignorance i see in this thread is baffling. When you scout a NO GAS pool expand from zerg you crono out STALKERS and run to the zerg forcing soo many freeking lings that he will be forced to stop droning and he wont be able to take a third.That's your first step.Thats the point when you need to start harassing a zerg and not after he manages to get to 80 drones off 3 base because no matter how many he looses hes gonna remake them in a instant.Nestea is getting ling speed at 10 freaking minutes into the game.Think about that. Yes, you should harass with all of those stalkers you have made after forge fast expand. Oh wait, you have none, and Nestea probably knows all the timings of when he can hold off any stakler pressure. They're going to be later, but even if Nestea holds it off he has to build more than 4 lings, which means less drones, so even if the harass doesn't do much it does mean Nestea drones up slower.
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Just realized nestea hasn't lost a map in this tournament yet. Remember that thread where someone argued that there could be no player dominating in sc2? yeah...
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Standard opening coming from Hongun.
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On July 25 2011 19:04 Pajegetc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 19:03 zeehar wrote:On July 25 2011 19:02 Pajegetc wrote:On July 25 2011 18:59 Pipeline wrote:On July 25 2011 18:54 Dragonmaster26 wrote:On July 25 2011 18:52 IceSlipper wrote: why oh why didnt they send him out vs qxc! i know he was preparing for the individual tournament but surely he still could have rolled fxo without revealing anything! guy is just a boss.. FXOBoSS said on Choya's stream that QXC beats Nestea in practice and that he didn't expect IM to send NesTea out. I very much doubt that. QXC might have beat Nestea once or twice on ladder... but who the fuck uses the ladder as a accurate source for training? I can see QXC beating Nestea convincingly since QXC won't allow Nestea to drone at all with his constant aggression. QXC is the best player in the entire world. yay. can we stop talking about him now? Better then blah blah blah Nestea this blah blah blah Nestea That.
it's a thread about a semi final that nestea is playing in. who do else we talk about?
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On July 25 2011 18:54 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 18:53 Benjef wrote:I hate GOM player constantly giving me error 51s  . Worked for the first game now won't at all. Log out of the website and log back in. Make sure you've killed off the "Streamer" program. Thank you!!!!
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On July 25 2011 19:04 dennistoo wrote:Show nested quote +That's your excuse? MC may have played bad but how can you not expect the most basic pvp build that he himself used a lot? I'm pretty sure that the two best PvZ ratio (in GSL games not korean weeklys or tournaments like that) are MC and HongUn. Come on, PvP is such a coinflip mirror match up. And you will never expect, 3x 4gate in a BO5. You cannot determine MC's skills by just looking at his recently loses. Lol then why did MC have 90% winrate if it's coinflip? Why do NesTea have 90% winrate in ZvZ if it's coinflip like Morrow who get 4-0ed by Nerchio zvz said it was? HongUn is good even if you don't think he is.
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On July 25 2011 19:02 TheKefka wrote: Ill tell you even what Hongun should have done the last 2 games because the ignorance i see in this thread is baffling. When you scout a NO GAS pool expand from zerg you crono out STALKERS and run to the zerg forcing soo many freeking lings that he will be forced to stop droning and he wont be able to take a third.Nestea is getting ling speed at 10 freaking minutes into the game.Think about that.
if you went gateway first, then yes, that works. Zerg can hold it with queen/drones or a spinecrawler, but it is certainly annoying.
If you went forge first, then no, it does not work.
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On July 25 2011 19:07 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 19:06 yawnoC wrote:On July 25 2011 19:05 Shalaiyn wrote: Did anyone get a screenshot? I dont see faces ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/F5MKs.png) I can't believe Tasteless saw that. 99.9% of the viewers are too busy looking at something else. He's in love with the other girl. Why look at this one?
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On July 25 2011 19:06 JKira wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 19:04 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2011 19:02 Plexa wrote: So far I've seen two games where Hongun's stargate play has done next to nothing because Nestea defended it with ease (like a lot of zergs are doing these days) and then Nestea winds up with a massive economic lead over hongun and crushes him. I wouldnt say hongun is playing well nor poorly, but simply his choice of strategy is poor - if he plays FE into stargate its a virtual loss at this point. Stargate play almost never does much. I feel as if these days, people use it to take away map vision from the Zerg and force Spores. I never see Stargate play accomplish anything other than this, except maybe a few Drones and possibly a Queen. Yea, I've only seen a stargate play take out an expo once, and that was MC beating a terrible Kyrix. I think toss these days just get it to defend against a roach ling allin and do a small bit of eco harass. But if zergs take a fast 3rd I feel like zerg gets way ahead if he defends. MC does a very nice delayed 3 voidray push sometimes and it can catch zergs off guard if he has been niggardly with his spores.
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On July 25 2011 19:07 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 19:06 yawnoC wrote:On July 25 2011 19:05 Shalaiyn wrote: Did anyone get a screenshot? I dont see faces ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/F5MKs.png) I can't believe Tasteless saw that. 99.9% of the viewers are too busy looking at something else.
what, you mean the fact that the end of those water slides curve up? Think how fast you'd be going!
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On July 25 2011 19:05 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 19:04 PeggyHill wrote:On July 25 2011 19:02 Plexa wrote: So far I've seen two games where Hongun's stargate play has done next to nothing because Nestea defended it with ease (like a lot of zergs are doing these days) and then Nestea winds up with a massive economic lead over hongun and crushes him. I wouldnt say hongun is playing well nor poorly, but simply his choice of strategy is poor - if he plays FE into stargate its a virtual loss at this point. Is this only because Nestea can predict it coming, or is it due to a weakness in the stargate opening in PvZ? Bit of both. Now that Zergs have learned that spores are pretty good they are having a lot easier time defending.
As I understand it the big 'damage' done by the stargate opening is denying the third, tbh I'm not sure if this delaying of the third alone is enough damage to justify the the investment.
That said this map the third is ages away so could be more feasible.
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On July 25 2011 19:04 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 19:02 TheKefka wrote: Ill tell you even what Hongun should have done the last 2 games because the ignorance i see in this thread is baffling. When you scout a NO GAS pool expand from zerg you crono out STALKERS and run to the zerg forcing soo many freeking lings that he will be forced to stop droning and he wont be able to take a third.Nestea is getting ling speed at 10 freaking minutes into the game.Think about that. After committing to forge-fe? Yeah that isn't going to work... But he does need to do some timing pushes to punish nesteas greed
I feel NesTea is like 200% comfortable vs FFE so that's why he's playing so greedily because when you FFE the possible timings are delayed and less plentiful.
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o hongun....nestea will get 80 drones in about 4mins
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On July 25 2011 19:05 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 19:04 Bayyne wrote: So I know labeling someone bonjwa in SC2 right now is pretty dumb, since that title is for the elite of the elitist players dominating for a long period of time.
But my question is, let's say Nestea out right wins every remainder GSL this year. How much more does he need to win to be possibly given that label? The koreans will let us know when is reaches that status.
Word.
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On July 25 2011 19:07 snifit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 19:06 snifit wrote:On July 25 2011 19:05 snifit wrote: NesTea vs. HongUn Game 3 on Crossfire SENestea spawns in the south, HongUn in the north. Pool first for Nestea. HongUn doesn't FFE this time! 4:00 Nestea takes his natural. HongUn harvesting from both his geysers.
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Nestea's natural finishes. HongUn doing a 3 gate expand.
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On July 25 2011 19:08 Oboeman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 19:02 TheKefka wrote: Ill tell you even what Hongun should have done the last 2 games because the ignorance i see in this thread is baffling. When you scout a NO GAS pool expand from zerg you crono out STALKERS and run to the zerg forcing soo many freeking lings that he will be forced to stop droning and he wont be able to take a third.Nestea is getting ling speed at 10 freaking minutes into the game.Think about that. if you went gateway first, then yes, that works. Zerg can hold it with queen/drones or a spinecrawler, but it is certainly annoying. If you went forge first, then no, it does not work. 6gate. He's not talking about right after he makes a forge (lol), he's saying after you get your shit up.
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i expect a lot of revolution of SC2 threads after this, or possibly the finals. Zerg is best reactive, and nestea just proved it
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On July 25 2011 19:06 nojok wrote: People who thinks that broodlords just shot broodlings must think colossi are a good counter so. . . . Yeah don't listen to this bullshit with air attacks from broodlords, broodlords just shot broodlings. edit: I misunderstood your sarcasm :p
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On July 25 2011 19:07 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 19:06 Heavenly wrote:On July 25 2011 19:02 TheKefka wrote: Ill tell you even what Hongun should have done the last 2 games because the ignorance i see in this thread is baffling. When you scout a NO GAS pool expand from zerg you crono out STALKERS and run to the zerg forcing soo many freeking lings that he will be forced to stop droning and he wont be able to take a third.That's your first step.Thats the point when you need to start harassing a zerg and not after he manages to get to 80 drones off 3 base because no matter how many he looses hes gonna remake them in a instant.Nestea is getting ling speed at 10 freaking minutes into the game.Think about that. Yes, you should harass with all of those stalkers you have made after forge fast expand. Oh wait, you have none, and Nestea probably knows all the timings of when he can hold off any stakler pressure. 2 words.6 gate.Try it. That's not really a harass >_>
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