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Woohoo. MC is out  .
What I am not fond of is watching protoss play in general. It looks so bland, while zerg and terran (allthough not zvz) looks more complex from a viewer standpoint.
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On July 21 2011 19:24 Eufouria wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 19:24 Bagonad wrote:On July 21 2011 19:20 Eufouria wrote:On July 21 2011 19:18 Crashburn wrote:On July 21 2011 19:16 WArped wrote:On July 21 2011 19:14 cassurai wrote:On July 21 2011 19:13 Joseph123 wrote:
so what mc has to do here? ****** joke earlier templars / voids obviously. he should've made templars and had 3 stargates before even pushing out with colossus deathball, so he had something to fall back on. He had just blink stalkers, tier 1. Protosses in Korea right now only go blink stalkers with plus 3 and assume they can win every battle. It's because zerg remaxes too fast. Stuff like immortals, colossi, void rays, etc. take too long to rebuild. Stalkers are the next-best thing to use against roach/BL. If you don't want to see mass stalkers vs. zerg in the late game, then the macro mechanics of either race need to be altered. Err. Blink stalkers are tier 2, and stalkers with 3/3 are also tier 2. So zerglings with adrenal glands are tier 3? Yes.
It is actually. It's so fun with the tier system in SC2. Tiers give a false illusion that higher tier should always beat a lower tier which is not true, maybe for WC3 but not for SC.
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That Palm by CC will hold the lings ?
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Oh wow, a CC walls all on it's own?
14 CC is actually pretty safe on this map, then.
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On July 21 2011 19:23 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 19:23 Crashburn wrote:On July 21 2011 19:22 WArped wrote:On July 21 2011 19:18 Crashburn wrote:On July 21 2011 19:16 WArped wrote:On July 21 2011 19:14 cassurai wrote:On July 21 2011 19:13 Joseph123 wrote:
so what mc has to do here? ****** joke earlier templars / voids obviously. he should've made templars and had 3 stargates before even pushing out with colossus deathball, so he had something to fall back on. He had just blink stalkers, tier 1. Protosses in Korea right now only go blink stalkers with plus 3 and assume they can win every battle. It's because zerg remaxes too fast. Stuff like immortals, colossi, void rays, etc. take too long to rebuild. Stalkers are the next-best thing to use against roach/BL. If you don't want to see mass stalkers vs. zerg in the late game, then the macro mechanics of either race need to be altered. He was making HT way too late, I agree about the Collosi, Immortal etc, but HT would have changed the face of that, or at least help out a little. It's surprising to see MC commit to an attack at that spinecrawler hill location too, he probably should have backed up to find a better opportunity or attack a different location. But hey, he's the progamer here. There are no warp-in storms. When zerg is on your doorstep, warping in HT's is almost the worst thing you could have made, after zealots. He would have had storms but he stared void ray production. After he saw a ton of hydralisks...
He did Void Ray production because he saw that many Brood Lords, roaches, and overlords - that army was far more Roach-heavy than Hydra-heavy. Stop making it seem like it was incredibly obvious that MC did the completely wrong thing.
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MC is known for his timing attacks, not for his macro game. I have to say I did not see this game, just turned on the stream. Just to say it does not surprise me taht he does not win if he enters on equal foot in late game.
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On July 21 2011 19:23 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 19:20 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2011 19:15 FarbrorAbavna wrote:On July 21 2011 19:13 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2011 19:12 Eufouria wrote:
Holy shit BBoongBBoongs I've never seen anything like this. man, Day9 had broodlord + transfuse months ago not everyone follows day9 religiously  Its just funny because when he brought it up on SotG, Idra and every Zerg just shit on it pretty much. Day9 has been inventing shit in SC2 since the beta like Muta.... BANELING!? but it all goes unappreciated for a stupidly long time for little reason. That being said, I suppose i could invent any combination and at some point the game would roll into it.
Well but also he invents a lot of strats that in practice never work...like for example when he was on Kin of Tins he tried three times in a row a carrier rush and it just didnt work...but well, that said, hes still a genius :D
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On July 21 2011 19:23 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 19:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 21 2011 19:20 Dommk wrote:On July 21 2011 19:19 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 21 2011 19:16 Dommk wrote:On July 21 2011 19:16 WArped wrote:On July 21 2011 19:14 cassurai wrote:On July 21 2011 19:13 Joseph123 wrote:
so what mc has to do here? ****** joke earlier templars / voids obviously. he should've made templars and had 3 stargates before even pushing out with colossus deathball, so he had something to fall back on. He had just blink stalkers, tier 1. Protosses in Korea right now only go blink stalkers with plus 3 and assume they can win every battle. What other units? Voids vs that Many Queens and Hydra? Storm vs Transfuses? Stalkers are the only versatile unit Toss have Yeah, because he can transfuse his entire god damn ground army. Is this a joke? If the ground army can be killed off then the broodlords have nothing to support them and then the blink stalkers can clean them up. I can't even tell if people are being serious, if you were watching the game and thinking that hts/archons wouldn't have helped... If he went Storm he would have a lower Stalker count. His Storms won't kill Broodlords or even hit them for that matter considering how far behind they were. When Storms start going down the Overlords get moved, you have to be retarded to lose Overlords to storm considering how much HP they have Oh dear god, storm tech on 3-4 bases! Unaffordable!! OH YES, THE OVERLORDS ARE THE PROBLEM HERE NOT THE GIGANTIC ROACH/HYDRA BALL WITH NO SENTRIES Yeah the perpetual 200/200 Supply Roach/Hydra ball, lets just get Sentries, Storm Archons and enough Gateway units to beat a Broodlord/constant 200/200 push that hits your base the moment you don't have the Stalker count to delay it
Constant 200/200? MC was ahead after he won that first battle but he decided to try and end it rather than teching and securing his 4th. No god damn way is bboongbboong gonna be able to secure a 5th when he has to rely on 20 spinecrawlers for his 4th. No one is fucking saying he should have tech'd to templars when the push was coming after he lost a bunch of stalkers to spinecrawlers because he was overaggressive, but he could've tech'd to them so much earlier. The guy has god damn broodlords out and you are trying to say that templars are too far away to tech to? Do you even play this game?
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This probably isnt a good thread to ask this in, but when will GOM change their map pool. They used to change it every GSTL but now its a month long league
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On July 21 2011 19:26 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 19:23 Dommk wrote:On July 21 2011 19:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 21 2011 19:20 Dommk wrote:On July 21 2011 19:19 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 21 2011 19:16 Dommk wrote:On July 21 2011 19:16 WArped wrote:On July 21 2011 19:14 cassurai wrote:On July 21 2011 19:13 Joseph123 wrote:
so what mc has to do here? ****** joke earlier templars / voids obviously. he should've made templars and had 3 stargates before even pushing out with colossus deathball, so he had something to fall back on. He had just blink stalkers, tier 1. Protosses in Korea right now only go blink stalkers with plus 3 and assume they can win every battle. What other units? Voids vs that Many Queens and Hydra? Storm vs Transfuses? Stalkers are the only versatile unit Toss have Yeah, because he can transfuse his entire god damn ground army. Is this a joke? If the ground army can be killed off then the broodlords have nothing to support them and then the blink stalkers can clean them up. I can't even tell if people are being serious, if you were watching the game and thinking that hts/archons wouldn't have helped... If he went Storm he would have a lower Stalker count. His Storms won't kill Broodlords or even hit them for that matter considering how far behind they were. When Storms start going down the Overlords get moved, you have to be retarded to lose Overlords to storm considering how much HP they have Oh dear god, storm tech on 3-4 bases! Unaffordable!! OH YES, THE OVERLORDS ARE THE PROBLEM HERE NOT THE GIGANTIC ROACH/HYDRA BALL WITH NO SENTRIES Yeah the perpetual 200/200 Supply Roach/Hydra ball, lets just get Sentries, Storm Archons and enough Gateway units to beat a Broodlord/constant 200/200 push that hits your base the moment you don't have the Stalker count to delay it
Constant 200/200? MC was ahead after he won that first battle but he decided to try and end it rather than teching and securing his 4th. No god damn way is bboongbboong gonna be able to secure a 5th when he has to rely on 20 spinecrawlers for his 4th. No one is saying he should have tech'd to templars when the push was coming after he lost a bunch of stalkers to spinecrawlers because he was overaggressive, but he could've tech'd to them so much earlier. The guy has god damn broodlords out and you are trying to say that templars are too far away to tech to? Do you even play this game?
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On July 21 2011 19:26 chokke wrote:Woohoo. MC is out . What I am not fond of is watching protoss play in general. It looks so bland, while zerg and terran (allthough not zvz) looks more complex from a viewer standpoint.
Sage and Puzzle are entertaining to watch.
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2 orbitals in production at 4:30 lol how often do you see that
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On July 21 2011 19:26 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 19:23 Dommk wrote:On July 21 2011 19:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 21 2011 19:20 Dommk wrote:On July 21 2011 19:19 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 21 2011 19:16 Dommk wrote:On July 21 2011 19:16 WArped wrote:On July 21 2011 19:14 cassurai wrote:On July 21 2011 19:13 Joseph123 wrote:
so what mc has to do here? ****** joke earlier templars / voids obviously. he should've made templars and had 3 stargates before even pushing out with colossus deathball, so he had something to fall back on. He had just blink stalkers, tier 1. Protosses in Korea right now only go blink stalkers with plus 3 and assume they can win every battle. What other units? Voids vs that Many Queens and Hydra? Storm vs Transfuses? Stalkers are the only versatile unit Toss have Yeah, because he can transfuse his entire god damn ground army. Is this a joke? If the ground army can be killed off then the broodlords have nothing to support them and then the blink stalkers can clean them up. I can't even tell if people are being serious, if you were watching the game and thinking that hts/archons wouldn't have helped... If he went Storm he would have a lower Stalker count. His Storms won't kill Broodlords or even hit them for that matter considering how far behind they were. When Storms start going down the Overlords get moved, you have to be retarded to lose Overlords to storm considering how much HP they have Oh dear god, storm tech on 3-4 bases! Unaffordable!! OH YES, THE OVERLORDS ARE THE PROBLEM HERE NOT THE GIGANTIC ROACH/HYDRA BALL WITH NO SENTRIES Yeah the perpetual 200/200 Supply Roach/Hydra ball, lets just get Sentries, Storm Archons and enough Gateway units to beat a Broodlord/constant 200/200 push that hits your base the moment you don't have the Stalker count to delay it Constant 200/200? MC was ahead after he won that first battle but he decided to try and end it rather than teching and securing his 4th. No god damn way is bboongbboong gonna be able to secure a 5th when he has to rely on 20 spinecrawlers for his 4th. No one is fucking saying he should have tech'd to templars when the push was coming after he lost a bunch of stalkers to spinecrawlers because he was overaggressive, but he could've tech'd to them so much earlier. The guy has god damn broodlords out and you are trying to say that templars are too far away to tech to? Do you even play this game?
How was he ahead? BB was at 200/200 supply during the entire first fight. Watch the damn game
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On July 21 2011 19:26 WArped wrote:
TOP prepared for this nap it seems.
I roffled. Well done with that mistype.
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On July 21 2011 19:26 Sandro wrote:
This probably isnt a good thread to ask this in, but when will GOM change their map pool. They used to change it every GSTL but now its a month long league
In order for the GSTL to be fair for all, the map pool shouldn't change in it until it's all over.
And that means 3-4 months long.
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On July 21 2011 19:26 Lambertus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 19:23 Medrea wrote:On July 21 2011 19:20 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2011 19:15 FarbrorAbavna wrote:On July 21 2011 19:13 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2011 19:12 Eufouria wrote:
Holy shit BBoongBBoongs I've never seen anything like this. man, Day9 had broodlord + transfuse months ago not everyone follows day9 religiously Its just funny because when he brought it up on SotG, Idra and every Zerg just shit on it pretty much. Day9 has been inventing shit in SC2 since the beta like Muta.... BANELING!? but it all goes unappreciated for a stupidly long time for little reason. That being said, I suppose i could invent any combination and at some point the game would roll into it. Well but also he invents a lot of strats that in practice never work...like for example when he was on Kin of Tins he tried three times in a row a carrier rush and it just didnt work...but well, that said, hes still a genius :D
Nono, it was
Zealots into motherfucking carriers *hand signal*
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I don't know about you guys, but that Orbital at the choke cracks me up for some reason.
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On July 21 2011 19:26 Sandro wrote:
This probably isnt a good thread to ask this in, but when will GOM change their map pool. They used to change it every GSTL but now its a month long league
Maybe after each GSL now, still pretty much the same time as before.
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OMG SO goood from Top. Did you see he transferred that SCV from building the CC to scouting, making it look like he had just finished the barracks.
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On July 21 2011 19:26 nojok wrote:
MC is known for his timing attacks, not for his macro game. I have to say I did not see this game, just turned on the stream. Just to say it does not surprise me taht he does not win if he enters on equal foot in late game.
Can't believe people still have this misconception about him -_-
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