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On July 05 2011 19:51 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 19:50 CortoMontez wrote:On July 05 2011 19:48 Jono7272 wrote:On July 05 2011 19:47 omegaslast wrote:On July 05 2011 19:46 DoX.) wrote:
How do you deal with the huge 20+ muta ball? qxc discussed it yesterday, people need to start using hunter seekers... I assume that was a joke. Mutas can out run/micro Hunter Seeker with ease. If they run then you have already saved the expansion. And if they come back and your raven's out of energy?
the raven has to become a baneling attack for the terran and just happen to catch the mutas off guard. the most fantastic part is if the mutas want they can just sit over your scvs and probably let all of them die with the hunter seeker damage lol
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On July 05 2011 19:49 Lorizean wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 19:47 MechKing wrote:On July 05 2011 19:45 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 05 2011 19:44 Mercury- wrote:On July 05 2011 19:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
So many terrans have made the same freaking mistake on this map.
sC was owning nestea, lets 2 orbitals die to muta
MVP ahead in supply, lets his orbital die to mutas -.- And how would you like them to do that against huge Muta clouds like that? Make turrets in the mineral lines (not behind) so you can repair always keep a healthy marine counter in wait at home build a thor? Jeeez are you really trying to say terrans can't deal with mutalisks now? Umm, didn't Line get really far on his super heavy mutalisk style? Mutas are extremely hard to deal with. Once you get to around 25-30 turrets literally do nothing. Thors can be magic boxed, and groups of marines can lose too. But I'd think that if you get 30 Mutas you don't have much else (specifically, not many banes/infestors)? And I don't think Mutas would be cost-efficient versus Marines in any way, right? So if you get tons of Marines, wouldn't that work?
If you get tons of marines the zerg can just immediately go into bane mode and infestors later. Since mutalisk damage overall goes up, groups of marines won't work against mutas.
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On July 05 2011 19:49 Eufouria wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 19:46 DoX.) wrote:
How do you deal with the huge 20+ muta ball? You need to get a raven and disguise it as a mutalisk. Then you send your raven to the muta flock (or murder). You let your raven grow up among the mutalisk's, so they will accept it as their own. Finally, when the muta flock is getting too big you hunter seeker missile them all after they have eaten a thor shot.
I assume that was a joke. Mutas can out run/micro Hunter Seeker with ease.
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ohhh or maybe 1 ghost at each base, then a ghost between bases. Somehow pull off 8 snipes at the same time while simultaneously dragging the ghost from the mid point and catch the rest of the mutas!!
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On July 05 2011 19:47 Nastiness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 19:45 Szubie wrote:On July 05 2011 19:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
So many terrans have made the same freaking mistake on this map.
sC was owning nestea, lets 2 orbitals die to muta
MVP ahead in supply, lets his orbital die to mutas -.- I like how everyone tries to justify the perception that crossfire favours terran by saying that every pro terran is doing it wrong. It seems really impossible for terran to defend from a huge muta ball on that map while also pushing, and taking 3rd base also seems difficult. Hopefully MVP still gets through the group stages, would be sad to see him go out because of this. You make is sound like what zenio just pulled of is easy.. MVP own fault for being greedy with immobile army
Omg :D I hope you realise what absurd you just told ? :D When IMMVP was pushing, Zenio got baneling speed, teched to muta, started burrow and took his second expo. When IMMVP was near his third, Zenio took his fucking fourth, and you call Terran greedy by doing two base all-in push against 4 base zerg ? lol. TL zergs are ridiculous.
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SC VS MVP REMATCH PLEASEEEEE
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On July 05 2011 19:49 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 19:47 Huragius wrote:On July 05 2011 19:45 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 05 2011 19:44 Mercury- wrote:On July 05 2011 19:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
So many terrans have made the same freaking mistake on this map.
sC was owning nestea, lets 2 orbitals die to muta
MVP ahead in supply, lets his orbital die to mutas -.- And how would you like them to do that against huge Muta clouds like that? Make turrets in the mineral lines (not behind) so you can repair always keep a healthy marine counter in wait at home build a thor? Jeeez are you really trying to say terrans can't deal with mutalisks now? Sure, it's so easy to deal with it. I wonder why world's top Terrans are so bad, I guess it's due to zerg supa ninja skills lol. Mutalisks are impossible to deal with Broodlord/Infestor impossible to death with bane mines too strong etc Terran still dominating all of korean ladder, gsl, and foreign tourneys..... I don't understand you people
haha agree with this so much
stop crying terrans, the game isnt meant to be easy. so what MVP got beaten on an alleged zerg favoured map. im pretty sure 95% of maps over the whole of GSL have been terran favoured. suck it up and learn to deal with it without whinging.
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Actually, if you have a lot of mutas, your overall "engage" force is not that strong. You can actually afford to leave some marines in the base and a thor or so while your main force moves out.
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On July 05 2011 19:54 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 19:49 Eufouria wrote:On July 05 2011 19:46 DoX.) wrote:
How do you deal with the huge 20+ muta ball? You need to get a raven and disguise it as a mutalisk. Then you send your raven to the muta flock (or murder). You let your raven grow up among the mutalisk's, so they will accept it as their own. Finally, when the muta flock is getting too big you hunter seeker missile them all after they have eaten a thor shot. I assume that was a joke. Mutas can out run/micro Hunter Seeker with ease.
Not if you sandwich with stim marines.
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Wow if sC loses this the up and downs will be a living hell TT
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On July 05 2011 19:49 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 19:42 Rarak wrote:
I dont think i've ever seen a terran win on this map.
lol TheBest vs min g3 of ST IIRC he show exactly how you're supposed to play TvZ on crossfire.
That's how most of these Terrans play on the ladder, and obtain such high win rates. sC's bunker rushes and two rax openings, Happy's three rax rushes, etc. They all have one thing in common: to obtain an early game advantage, so the Zerg doesn't have enough economy to mass up mutas before the Terran can hit with a timing.
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They don't show the production tab much to build up suspense and add a surprise factor to the commentary
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On July 05 2011 19:54 CrumpetGuvnor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 19:49 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 05 2011 19:47 Huragius wrote:On July 05 2011 19:45 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 05 2011 19:44 Mercury- wrote:On July 05 2011 19:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
So many terrans have made the same freaking mistake on this map.
sC was owning nestea, lets 2 orbitals die to muta
MVP ahead in supply, lets his orbital die to mutas -.- And how would you like them to do that against huge Muta clouds like that? Make turrets in the mineral lines (not behind) so you can repair always keep a healthy marine counter in wait at home build a thor? Jeeez are you really trying to say terrans can't deal with mutalisks now? Sure, it's so easy to deal with it. I wonder why world's top Terrans are so bad, I guess it's due to zerg supa ninja skills lol. Mutalisks are impossible to deal with Broodlord/Infestor impossible to death with bane mines too strong etc Terran still dominating all of korean ladder, gsl, and foreign tourneys..... I don't understand you people haha agree with this so much stop crying terrans, the game isnt meant to be easy. so what MVP got beaten on an alleged zerg favoured map. im pretty sure 95% of maps over the whole of GSL have been terran favoured. suck it up and learn to deal with it without whinging.
what a compelling and unbiased viewpoint, thank you for the enlightenment.
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This thread is becoming exactly like the one earlier today about "An Honest look at TvZ lategame". Suffice it to say, that thread was locked because of balance whining so although I do agree with the terran side of things.. keep it clean.
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On July 05 2011 19:53 MechKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 19:49 Lorizean wrote:On July 05 2011 19:47 MechKing wrote:On July 05 2011 19:45 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 05 2011 19:44 Mercury- wrote:On July 05 2011 19:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
So many terrans have made the same freaking mistake on this map.
sC was owning nestea, lets 2 orbitals die to muta
MVP ahead in supply, lets his orbital die to mutas -.- And how would you like them to do that against huge Muta clouds like that? Make turrets in the mineral lines (not behind) so you can repair always keep a healthy marine counter in wait at home build a thor? Jeeez are you really trying to say terrans can't deal with mutalisks now? Umm, didn't Line get really far on his super heavy mutalisk style? Mutas are extremely hard to deal with. Once you get to around 25-30 turrets literally do nothing. Thors can be magic boxed, and groups of marines can lose too. But I'd think that if you get 30 Mutas you don't have much else (specifically, not many banes/infestors)? And I don't think Mutas would be cost-efficient versus Marines in any way, right? So if you get tons of Marines, wouldn't that work? If you get tons of marines the zerg can just immediately go into bane mode and infestors later. Since mutalisk damage overall goes up, groups of marines won't work against mutas.
Hm.. what about a thor/marine mix?
I know you can magic box, but Thors are still cost efficient against Mutas, right? (5 Mutas/Thor). I mean, getting a huge Mutaball like that takes a lot of commitment, if you can neutralize it I don't think Zerg has enough resources to do a massive tech switch.
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On July 05 2011 19:54 CrumpetGuvnor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 19:49 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 05 2011 19:47 Huragius wrote:On July 05 2011 19:45 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 05 2011 19:44 Mercury- wrote:On July 05 2011 19:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
So many terrans have made the same freaking mistake on this map.
sC was owning nestea, lets 2 orbitals die to muta
MVP ahead in supply, lets his orbital die to mutas -.- And how would you like them to do that against huge Muta clouds like that? Make turrets in the mineral lines (not behind) so you can repair always keep a healthy marine counter in wait at home build a thor? Jeeez are you really trying to say terrans can't deal with mutalisks now? Sure, it's so easy to deal with it. I wonder why world's top Terrans are so bad, I guess it's due to zerg supa ninja skills lol. Mutalisks are impossible to deal with Broodlord/Infestor impossible to death with bane mines too strong etc Terran still dominating all of korean ladder, gsl, and foreign tourneys..... I don't understand you people haha agree with this so much stop crying terrans, the game isnt meant to be easy. so what MVP got beaten on an alleged zerg favoured map. im pretty sure 95% of maps over the whole of GSL have been terran favoured. suck it up and learn to deal with it without whinging.
yeah a lot of terrans are very good players who practice reaaally really hard. I bet most TvZ wins are when the terran pushes early for most korean terrans. Show me late game TvZ against nestea where the terran wins..go ahead...
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On July 05 2011 19:52 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 19:51 Huragius wrote:On July 05 2011 19:49 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 05 2011 19:47 Huragius wrote:On July 05 2011 19:45 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 05 2011 19:44 Mercury- wrote:On July 05 2011 19:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
So many terrans have made the same freaking mistake on this map.
sC was owning nestea, lets 2 orbitals die to muta
MVP ahead in supply, lets his orbital die to mutas -.- And how would you like them to do that against huge Muta clouds like that? Make turrets in the mineral lines (not behind) so you can repair always keep a healthy marine counter in wait at home build a thor? Jeeez are you really trying to say terrans can't deal with mutalisks now? Sure, it's so easy to deal with it. I wonder why world's top Terrans are so bad, I guess it's due to zerg supa ninja skills lol. Mutalisks are impossible to deal with Broodlord/Infestor impossible to death with bane mines too strong etc Terran still dominating all of korean ladder, gsl, and foreign tourneys.....I don't understand you people Lol, sure. Now please, shut up. Check the facts before you say something stupid like this. Foreign tourneys part is wrong, but GSL is correct. Dunno why you bolded that.
Terran one three GSLs, so did Zerg. Protoss won two. And don't start: "every Ro8 is filled with Terran" shit and etc. Because somehow I didn't saw Terrans crying when they had only one Terran at MLG Columbus TOP8 and two Terrans at DH TOP16.
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Did sC play BW? I know he's a little young to have been in any pro BW teams but did he play it with fOu?
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On July 05 2011 19:56 omegaslast wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 19:54 CrumpetGuvnor wrote:On July 05 2011 19:49 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 05 2011 19:47 Huragius wrote:On July 05 2011 19:45 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 05 2011 19:44 Mercury- wrote:On July 05 2011 19:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
So many terrans have made the same freaking mistake on this map.
sC was owning nestea, lets 2 orbitals die to muta
MVP ahead in supply, lets his orbital die to mutas -.- And how would you like them to do that against huge Muta clouds like that? Make turrets in the mineral lines (not behind) so you can repair always keep a healthy marine counter in wait at home build a thor? Jeeez are you really trying to say terrans can't deal with mutalisks now? Sure, it's so easy to deal with it. I wonder why world's top Terrans are so bad, I guess it's due to zerg supa ninja skills lol. Mutalisks are impossible to deal with Broodlord/Infestor impossible to death with bane mines too strong etc Terran still dominating all of korean ladder, gsl, and foreign tourneys..... I don't understand you people haha agree with this so much stop crying terrans, the game isnt meant to be easy. so what MVP got beaten on an alleged zerg favoured map. im pretty sure 95% of maps over the whole of GSL have been terran favoured. suck it up and learn to deal with it without whinging. yeah a lot of terrans are very good players who practice reaaally really hard. I bet most TvZ wins are when the terran pushes early for most korean terrans. Show me late game TvZ against nestea where the terran wins..go ahead...
seeing how half of code S plays terran
i dont really see their problems
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On July 05 2011 19:54 Nastiness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 19:54 tomatriedes wrote:On July 05 2011 19:49 Eufouria wrote:On July 05 2011 19:46 DoX.) wrote:
How do you deal with the huge 20+ muta ball? You need to get a raven and disguise it as a mutalisk. Then you send your raven to the muta flock (or murder). You let your raven grow up among the mutalisk's, so they will accept it as their own. Finally, when the muta flock is getting too big you hunter seeker missile them all after they have eaten a thor shot. I assume that was a joke. Mutas can out run/micro Hunter Seeker with ease. Not if you sandwich with stim marines.
If you somehow sandwich with stimmed marines why would you need hunter seeker in the first place...so your solution to mutas is to get them in an impossible to get out of position somehow? That's like saying the best way to win ZvP is to surround the toss army from every direction with roaches then drop baneling bombs down the middle. EZ mode.
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