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On July 06 2011 00:12 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 23:45 imareaver3 wrote:On July 05 2011 23:35 Femari wrote:On July 05 2011 23:19 Rarak wrote:On July 05 2011 22:52 mikyaJ wrote:On July 05 2011 22:49 Heavenly wrote:On July 05 2011 22:43 mikyaJ wrote:
I like the logic though, a Bronze player shouldn't comment on GSL games, because they're no where near the skill level of them. Well a Master player shouldn't comment either because they're no where near that skill level either.
That's like saying, hoho, this Football announcer should shut his mouth these football players are way better than him. A bronze player is a bronze player because they literally have no understanding of the game, they don't even understand build orders or what unit counters what. A better comparison would be an infant trying to criticize an adult. A masters player at least understands the game enough to realize what is going on. And the football announcer thing is completely irrelevant to all of that, because a football announcer would be the same as an esports commentator. Their job is to understand the game (even though Tastosis failed to do that in this case, hence the criticism) so they will have more specialized knowledge. And most of them are okay at the game minus Totalbiscuit being forever gold. The point is playing is not the same as commenting. A Bronze player could have 3 times the game knowledge of a Masters player. No just no, don't even try to argue that. You get to masters by understanding builds and the game. Let me guess you are below masters? When i started playing I couldnt figure out why pros hardly ever built cannons (except vs zerg) these sorts of things become so obvious once you play the game at a decent level. Players below diamond at least generally will have a poor understanding of play, diamond and masters will often lack the execution of GM etc. You're missing the point. The point is you don't have to be a certain league to have a certain understanding of the game. If you take someone relatively somewhat intelligent and have him watch nothing but Starcraft 2 games all the time for years, yet he never plays the game, he will still have a very high understanding of the game. You do not have to play the game to have a deep understanding of it. It's like this with every game and sport. Yeah, but if you had that "deep understanding," you'd make masters in a week or two. The mechanics aren't that hard to acquire. Still missing the point. The whole point is that what league you're in means nothing in terms of understanding and knowledge of the game. Some people don't have time to play the game so they sit around in low levels but they could tell you exactly what to do in each match up. And yeah you could make masters easy (if the reason why your low level isnt a physical reason like injury), but the point is that leagues aren't the end all be all for understanding of the game. Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 23:53 emecee wrote:On July 05 2011 23:43 ckast wrote:On July 05 2011 23:19 Rarak wrote:On July 05 2011 22:52 mikyaJ wrote:On July 05 2011 22:49 Heavenly wrote:On July 05 2011 22:43 mikyaJ wrote:
I like the logic though, a Bronze player shouldn't comment on GSL games, because they're no where near the skill level of them. Well a Master player shouldn't comment either because they're no where near that skill level either.
That's like saying, hoho, this Football announcer should shut his mouth these football players are way better than him. A bronze player is a bronze player because they literally have no understanding of the game, they don't even understand build orders or what unit counters what. A better comparison would be an infant trying to criticize an adult. A masters player at least understands the game enough to realize what is going on. And the football announcer thing is completely irrelevant to all of that, because a football announcer would be the same as an esports commentator. Their job is to understand the game (even though Tastosis failed to do that in this case, hence the criticism) so they will have more specialized knowledge. And most of them are okay at the game minus Totalbiscuit being forever gold. The point is playing is not the same as commenting. A Bronze player could have 3 times the game knowledge of a Masters player. No just no, don't even try to argue that. You get to masters by understanding builds and the game. Let me guess you are below masters? When i started playing I couldnt figure out why pros hardly ever built cannons (except vs zerg) these sorts of things become so obvious once you play the game at a decent level. Players below diamond at least generally will have a poor understanding of play, diamond and masters will often lack the execution of GM etc. Players below diamond at least generally will have a poor understanding of play, diamond and masters will often lack the execution of GM etc Agree. You need to be master+ (or high diamond as my bottom line) to understand the move of pros. Stop trying to argue that bronze player can be more knowledgable than a master player. If a bronze players really understands the game that much, you won't be a bronze since you can easily beat any low level players with 2,30APM. just because someone has good knowledge regarding the game dosen't mean they can necessarily be good at the game... i think every commentator for every sport serves as an example. Or coaches for eSports. A lot of coaches (especially in like FPS games) are people who have immense knowledge of the game, but just dont have the skills to use that knowledge to its fullest like pros do.
speaking of coaches, most coaches are ex-professionals at the sports they train ppl on
there only few bunch of trainers that i can think of who didn't have a sucessful sports career
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On July 06 2011 00:12 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 23:45 imareaver3 wrote:On July 05 2011 23:35 Femari wrote:On July 05 2011 23:19 Rarak wrote:On July 05 2011 22:52 mikyaJ wrote:On July 05 2011 22:49 Heavenly wrote:On July 05 2011 22:43 mikyaJ wrote:
I like the logic though, a Bronze player shouldn't comment on GSL games, because they're no where near the skill level of them. Well a Master player shouldn't comment either because they're no where near that skill level either.
That's like saying, hoho, this Football announcer should shut his mouth these football players are way better than him. A bronze player is a bronze player because they literally have no understanding of the game, they don't even understand build orders or what unit counters what. A better comparison would be an infant trying to criticize an adult. A masters player at least understands the game enough to realize what is going on. And the football announcer thing is completely irrelevant to all of that, because a football announcer would be the same as an esports commentator. Their job is to understand the game (even though Tastosis failed to do that in this case, hence the criticism) so they will have more specialized knowledge. And most of them are okay at the game minus Totalbiscuit being forever gold. The point is playing is not the same as commenting. A Bronze player could have 3 times the game knowledge of a Masters player. No just no, don't even try to argue that. You get to masters by understanding builds and the game. Let me guess you are below masters? When i started playing I couldnt figure out why pros hardly ever built cannons (except vs zerg) these sorts of things become so obvious once you play the game at a decent level. Players below diamond at least generally will have a poor understanding of play, diamond and masters will often lack the execution of GM etc. You're missing the point. The point is you don't have to be a certain league to have a certain understanding of the game. If you take someone relatively somewhat intelligent and have him watch nothing but Starcraft 2 games all the time for years, yet he never plays the game, he will still have a very high understanding of the game. You do not have to play the game to have a deep understanding of it. It's like this with every game and sport. Yeah, but if you had that "deep understanding," you'd make masters in a week or two. The mechanics aren't that hard to acquire. Still missing the point. The whole point is that what league you're in means nothing in terms of understanding and knowledge of the game. Some people don't have time to play the game so they sit around in low levels but they could tell you exactly what to do in each match up. And yeah you could make masters easy (if the reason why your low level isnt a physical reason like injury), but the point is that leagues aren't the end all be all for understanding of the game. Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 23:53 emecee wrote:On July 05 2011 23:43 ckast wrote:On July 05 2011 23:19 Rarak wrote:On July 05 2011 22:52 mikyaJ wrote:On July 05 2011 22:49 Heavenly wrote:On July 05 2011 22:43 mikyaJ wrote:
I like the logic though, a Bronze player shouldn't comment on GSL games, because they're no where near the skill level of them. Well a Master player shouldn't comment either because they're no where near that skill level either.
That's like saying, hoho, this Football announcer should shut his mouth these football players are way better than him. A bronze player is a bronze player because they literally have no understanding of the game, they don't even understand build orders or what unit counters what. A better comparison would be an infant trying to criticize an adult. A masters player at least understands the game enough to realize what is going on. And the football announcer thing is completely irrelevant to all of that, because a football announcer would be the same as an esports commentator. Their job is to understand the game (even though Tastosis failed to do that in this case, hence the criticism) so they will have more specialized knowledge. And most of them are okay at the game minus Totalbiscuit being forever gold. The point is playing is not the same as commenting. A Bronze player could have 3 times the game knowledge of a Masters player. No just no, don't even try to argue that. You get to masters by understanding builds and the game. Let me guess you are below masters? When i started playing I couldnt figure out why pros hardly ever built cannons (except vs zerg) these sorts of things become so obvious once you play the game at a decent level. Players below diamond at least generally will have a poor understanding of play, diamond and masters will often lack the execution of GM etc. Players below diamond at least generally will have a poor understanding of play, diamond and masters will often lack the execution of GM etc Agree. You need to be master+ (or high diamond as my bottom line) to understand the move of pros. Stop trying to argue that bronze player can be more knowledgable than a master player. If a bronze players really understands the game that much, you won't be a bronze since you can easily beat any low level players with 2,30APM. just because someone has good knowledge regarding the game dosen't mean they can necessarily be good at the game... i think every commentator for every sport serves as an example. Or coaches for eSports. A lot of coaches (especially in like FPS games) are people who have immense knowledge of the game, but just dont have the skills to use that knowledge to its fullest like pros do.
I would not argue about bronze players as if you know the game well even if you play 10 games a season, you will end up at least in silver/gold.
Also there is basically no way to tell if someone from silver is worse than someone from platinum. Silver to platinum do not actually help to determine skill very well. Just somewhat help to give you statistical chance of it. It is especially true about people who play rarely, I know many silver players that easily and consistently beat platinum players in custom games, they just do not play enough ladder to be promoted.
But I agree that there easily may be players who are silver and have better understanding of the game than a lot of masters.
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On July 06 2011 00:27 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 00:12 Femari wrote:On July 05 2011 23:45 imareaver3 wrote:On July 05 2011 23:35 Femari wrote:On July 05 2011 23:19 Rarak wrote:On July 05 2011 22:52 mikyaJ wrote:On July 05 2011 22:49 Heavenly wrote:On July 05 2011 22:43 mikyaJ wrote:
I like the logic though, a Bronze player shouldn't comment on GSL games, because they're no where near the skill level of them. Well a Master player shouldn't comment either because they're no where near that skill level either.
That's like saying, hoho, this Football announcer should shut his mouth these football players are way better than him. A bronze player is a bronze player because they literally have no understanding of the game, they don't even understand build orders or what unit counters what. A better comparison would be an infant trying to criticize an adult. A masters player at least understands the game enough to realize what is going on. And the football announcer thing is completely irrelevant to all of that, because a football announcer would be the same as an esports commentator. Their job is to understand the game (even though Tastosis failed to do that in this case, hence the criticism) so they will have more specialized knowledge. And most of them are okay at the game minus Totalbiscuit being forever gold. The point is playing is not the same as commenting. A Bronze player could have 3 times the game knowledge of a Masters player. No just no, don't even try to argue that. You get to masters by understanding builds and the game. Let me guess you are below masters? When i started playing I couldnt figure out why pros hardly ever built cannons (except vs zerg) these sorts of things become so obvious once you play the game at a decent level. Players below diamond at least generally will have a poor understanding of play, diamond and masters will often lack the execution of GM etc. You're missing the point. The point is you don't have to be a certain league to have a certain understanding of the game. If you take someone relatively somewhat intelligent and have him watch nothing but Starcraft 2 games all the time for years, yet he never plays the game, he will still have a very high understanding of the game. You do not have to play the game to have a deep understanding of it. It's like this with every game and sport. Yeah, but if you had that "deep understanding," you'd make masters in a week or two. The mechanics aren't that hard to acquire. Still missing the point. The whole point is that what league you're in means nothing in terms of understanding and knowledge of the game. Some people don't have time to play the game so they sit around in low levels but they could tell you exactly what to do in each match up. And yeah you could make masters easy (if the reason why your low level isnt a physical reason like injury), but the point is that leagues aren't the end all be all for understanding of the game. On July 05 2011 23:53 emecee wrote:On July 05 2011 23:43 ckast wrote:On July 05 2011 23:19 Rarak wrote:On July 05 2011 22:52 mikyaJ wrote:On July 05 2011 22:49 Heavenly wrote:On July 05 2011 22:43 mikyaJ wrote:
I like the logic though, a Bronze player shouldn't comment on GSL games, because they're no where near the skill level of them. Well a Master player shouldn't comment either because they're no where near that skill level either.
That's like saying, hoho, this Football announcer should shut his mouth these football players are way better than him. A bronze player is a bronze player because they literally have no understanding of the game, they don't even understand build orders or what unit counters what. A better comparison would be an infant trying to criticize an adult. A masters player at least understands the game enough to realize what is going on. And the football announcer thing is completely irrelevant to all of that, because a football announcer would be the same as an esports commentator. Their job is to understand the game (even though Tastosis failed to do that in this case, hence the criticism) so they will have more specialized knowledge. And most of them are okay at the game minus Totalbiscuit being forever gold. The point is playing is not the same as commenting. A Bronze player could have 3 times the game knowledge of a Masters player. No just no, don't even try to argue that. You get to masters by understanding builds and the game. Let me guess you are below masters? When i started playing I couldnt figure out why pros hardly ever built cannons (except vs zerg) these sorts of things become so obvious once you play the game at a decent level. Players below diamond at least generally will have a poor understanding of play, diamond and masters will often lack the execution of GM etc. Players below diamond at least generally will have a poor understanding of play, diamond and masters will often lack the execution of GM etc Agree. You need to be master+ (or high diamond as my bottom line) to understand the move of pros. Stop trying to argue that bronze player can be more knowledgable than a master player. If a bronze players really understands the game that much, you won't be a bronze since you can easily beat any low level players with 2,30APM. just because someone has good knowledge regarding the game dosen't mean they can necessarily be good at the game... i think every commentator for every sport serves as an example. Or coaches for eSports. A lot of coaches (especially in like FPS games) are people who have immense knowledge of the game, but just dont have the skills to use that knowledge to its fullest like pros do. I would not argue about bronze players as if you know the game well even if you play 10 games a season, you will end up at least in silver/gold. Also there is basically no way to tell if someone from silver is worse than someone from platinum. Silver to platinum do not actually help to determine skill very well. Just somewhat help to give you statistical chance of it. It is especially true about people who play rarely, I know many silver players that easily and consistently beat platinum players in custom games, they just do not play enough ladder to be promoted. But I agree that there easily may be players who are silver and have better understanding of the game than a lot of masters.
It doesn't even make sense
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On July 06 2011 00:27 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 00:12 Femari wrote:On July 05 2011 23:45 imareaver3 wrote:On July 05 2011 23:35 Femari wrote:On July 05 2011 23:19 Rarak wrote:On July 05 2011 22:52 mikyaJ wrote:On July 05 2011 22:49 Heavenly wrote:On July 05 2011 22:43 mikyaJ wrote:
I like the logic though, a Bronze player shouldn't comment on GSL games, because they're no where near the skill level of them. Well a Master player shouldn't comment either because they're no where near that skill level either.
That's like saying, hoho, this Football announcer should shut his mouth these football players are way better than him. A bronze player is a bronze player because they literally have no understanding of the game, they don't even understand build orders or what unit counters what. A better comparison would be an infant trying to criticize an adult. A masters player at least understands the game enough to realize what is going on. And the football announcer thing is completely irrelevant to all of that, because a football announcer would be the same as an esports commentator. Their job is to understand the game (even though Tastosis failed to do that in this case, hence the criticism) so they will have more specialized knowledge. And most of them are okay at the game minus Totalbiscuit being forever gold. The point is playing is not the same as commenting. A Bronze player could have 3 times the game knowledge of a Masters player. No just no, don't even try to argue that. You get to masters by understanding builds and the game. Let me guess you are below masters? When i started playing I couldnt figure out why pros hardly ever built cannons (except vs zerg) these sorts of things become so obvious once you play the game at a decent level. Players below diamond at least generally will have a poor understanding of play, diamond and masters will often lack the execution of GM etc. You're missing the point. The point is you don't have to be a certain league to have a certain understanding of the game. If you take someone relatively somewhat intelligent and have him watch nothing but Starcraft 2 games all the time for years, yet he never plays the game, he will still have a very high understanding of the game. You do not have to play the game to have a deep understanding of it. It's like this with every game and sport. Yeah, but if you had that "deep understanding," you'd make masters in a week or two. The mechanics aren't that hard to acquire. Still missing the point. The whole point is that what league you're in means nothing in terms of understanding and knowledge of the game. Some people don't have time to play the game so they sit around in low levels but they could tell you exactly what to do in each match up. And yeah you could make masters easy (if the reason why your low level isnt a physical reason like injury), but the point is that leagues aren't the end all be all for understanding of the game. On July 05 2011 23:53 emecee wrote:On July 05 2011 23:43 ckast wrote:On July 05 2011 23:19 Rarak wrote:On July 05 2011 22:52 mikyaJ wrote:On July 05 2011 22:49 Heavenly wrote:On July 05 2011 22:43 mikyaJ wrote:
I like the logic though, a Bronze player shouldn't comment on GSL games, because they're no where near the skill level of them. Well a Master player shouldn't comment either because they're no where near that skill level either.
That's like saying, hoho, this Football announcer should shut his mouth these football players are way better than him. A bronze player is a bronze player because they literally have no understanding of the game, they don't even understand build orders or what unit counters what. A better comparison would be an infant trying to criticize an adult. A masters player at least understands the game enough to realize what is going on. And the football announcer thing is completely irrelevant to all of that, because a football announcer would be the same as an esports commentator. Their job is to understand the game (even though Tastosis failed to do that in this case, hence the criticism) so they will have more specialized knowledge. And most of them are okay at the game minus Totalbiscuit being forever gold. The point is playing is not the same as commenting. A Bronze player could have 3 times the game knowledge of a Masters player. No just no, don't even try to argue that. You get to masters by understanding builds and the game. Let me guess you are below masters? When i started playing I couldnt figure out why pros hardly ever built cannons (except vs zerg) these sorts of things become so obvious once you play the game at a decent level. Players below diamond at least generally will have a poor understanding of play, diamond and masters will often lack the execution of GM etc. Players below diamond at least generally will have a poor understanding of play, diamond and masters will often lack the execution of GM etc Agree. You need to be master+ (or high diamond as my bottom line) to understand the move of pros. Stop trying to argue that bronze player can be more knowledgable than a master player. If a bronze players really understands the game that much, you won't be a bronze since you can easily beat any low level players with 2,30APM. just because someone has good knowledge regarding the game dosen't mean they can necessarily be good at the game... i think every commentator for every sport serves as an example. Or coaches for eSports. A lot of coaches (especially in like FPS games) are people who have immense knowledge of the game, but just dont have the skills to use that knowledge to its fullest like pros do. I would not argue about bronze players as if you know the game well even if you play 10 games a season, you will end up at least in silver/gold. Also there is basically no way to tell if someone from silver is worse than someone from platinum. Silver to platinum do not actually help to determine skill very well. Just somewhat help to give you statistical chance of it. It is especially true about people who play rarely, I know many silver players that easily and consistently beat platinum players in custom games, they just do not play enough ladder to be promoted. But I agree that there easily may be players who are silver and have better understanding of the game than a lot of masters.
If they did they'd just got a couple of 2/3b build abusing some timings and got 90%winrate... how to feel good while being bad...
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Wow at Zenio, got to watch the vods. Also mvp to MLG?
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wow... NADA impressing me SOOOO MUCH
Nada + Break from school = This
it is time Nada.
and anybody share the "WTF SC MVP DONT MOVE ON?!" with me?
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Looking through his TLPD, this is the first time Zenio has won at least, a game, in the group stages of a GSL since January.
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Here is an example:
My friend only 4 gated and got into Masters eventually.
I haven't played since December, and even when I played, I was in Diamond with only 50 games played. + Show Spoiler +doesn't really matter though, because I could say I was Grand Masters too. I could also say I was bronze. I could say I've never played the game in my life.
I know waaaaaaaay more about the game than said friend, and haven't played it in over half a year. Even more than a couple of my friends who are in Masters because they are actually good at the game.
The same could go for a bronze player, someone who just never plays. Now, I don't mean the people in Bronze with hundreds of games though, but your 'league' placement in SC2 does not designate how much you know about the game or how much you can shed onto a pro game. After all, we're ALL under the level at which these players play.
Now on average obviously, Bronze players will have shit knowledge, maybe even a tenth of the knowledge that a Masters player has. But it's not completely indicative of anything. So people who base everything on league are annoying, and anyway this was only sparked upon by the now nuked person who claimed he was Grandmaster which made him right about his argument. Apparently.
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Nada, that guy just doesn't slump. Mvp, noooooooooooooooo 
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I think bronze level players who even think that they know any close to what a typical masters level player about the game are just deluding themselves. Here is the key differentiator: vision. By watching professional games you can gain a decent understanding of the current strategies and counters, but you know idea how to identify what is happening in a ready gaaaaaame without the benefit of total map vision. I can sort of see someone gaining that knowledge by sharing tons of pro replays from first person. But if you did that and were still bronze, there must be something fundamentally wrong with your ability to play, like physical impairment or debilitating stress response.
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woo nada wasnt lying about playing better when hes off school :D
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On July 06 2011 00:12 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 23:45 imareaver3 wrote:On July 05 2011 23:35 Femari wrote:On July 05 2011 23:19 Rarak wrote:On July 05 2011 22:52 mikyaJ wrote:On July 05 2011 22:49 Heavenly wrote:On July 05 2011 22:43 mikyaJ wrote:
I like the logic though, a Bronze player shouldn't comment on GSL games, because they're no where near the skill level of them. Well a Master player shouldn't comment either because they're no where near that skill level either.
That's like saying, hoho, this Football announcer should shut his mouth these football players are way better than him. A bronze player is a bronze player because they literally have no understanding of the game, they don't even understand build orders or what unit counters what. A better comparison would be an infant trying to criticize an adult. A masters player at least understands the game enough to realize what is going on. And the football announcer thing is completely irrelevant to all of that, because a football announcer would be the same as an esports commentator. Their job is to understand the game (even though Tastosis failed to do that in this case, hence the criticism) so they will have more specialized knowledge. And most of them are okay at the game minus Totalbiscuit being forever gold. The point is playing is not the same as commenting. A Bronze player could have 3 times the game knowledge of a Masters player. No just no, don't even try to argue that. You get to masters by understanding builds and the game. Let me guess you are below masters? When i started playing I couldnt figure out why pros hardly ever built cannons (except vs zerg) these sorts of things become so obvious once you play the game at a decent level. Players below diamond at least generally will have a poor understanding of play, diamond and masters will often lack the execution of GM etc. You're missing the point. The point is you don't have to be a certain league to have a certain understanding of the game. If you take someone relatively somewhat intelligent and have him watch nothing but Starcraft 2 games all the time for years, yet he never plays the game, he will still have a very high understanding of the game. You do not have to play the game to have a deep understanding of it. It's like this with every game and sport. Yeah, but if you had that "deep understanding," you'd make masters in a week or two. The mechanics aren't that hard to acquire. Still missing the point. The whole point is that what league you're in means nothing in terms of understanding and knowledge of the game. Some people don't have time to play the game so they sit around in low levels but they could tell you exactly what to do in each match up. And yeah you could make masters easy (if the reason why your low level isnt a physical reason like injury), but the point is that leagues aren't the end all be all for understanding of the game. Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 23:53 emecee wrote:On July 05 2011 23:43 ckast wrote:On July 05 2011 23:19 Rarak wrote:On July 05 2011 22:52 mikyaJ wrote:On July 05 2011 22:49 Heavenly wrote:On July 05 2011 22:43 mikyaJ wrote:
I like the logic though, a Bronze player shouldn't comment on GSL games, because they're no where near the skill level of them. Well a Master player shouldn't comment either because they're no where near that skill level either.
That's like saying, hoho, this Football announcer should shut his mouth these football players are way better than him. A bronze player is a bronze player because they literally have no understanding of the game, they don't even understand build orders or what unit counters what. A better comparison would be an infant trying to criticize an adult. A masters player at least understands the game enough to realize what is going on. And the football announcer thing is completely irrelevant to all of that, because a football announcer would be the same as an esports commentator. Their job is to understand the game (even though Tastosis failed to do that in this case, hence the criticism) so they will have more specialized knowledge. And most of them are okay at the game minus Totalbiscuit being forever gold. The point is playing is not the same as commenting. A Bronze player could have 3 times the game knowledge of a Masters player. No just no, don't even try to argue that. You get to masters by understanding builds and the game. Let me guess you are below masters? When i started playing I couldnt figure out why pros hardly ever built cannons (except vs zerg) these sorts of things become so obvious once you play the game at a decent level. Players below diamond at least generally will have a poor understanding of play, diamond and masters will often lack the execution of GM etc. Players below diamond at least generally will have a poor understanding of play, diamond and masters will often lack the execution of GM etc Agree. You need to be master+ (or high diamond as my bottom line) to understand the move of pros. Stop trying to argue that bronze player can be more knowledgable than a master player. If a bronze players really understands the game that much, you won't be a bronze since you can easily beat any low level players with 2,30APM. just because someone has good knowledge regarding the game dosen't mean they can necessarily be good at the game... i think every commentator for every sport serves as an example. Or coaches for eSports. A lot of coaches (especially in like FPS games) are people who have immense knowledge of the game, but just dont have the skills to use that knowledge to its fullest like pros do.
No. You're the one missing the point. You keep repeating "you don't require to be good at the game to have good knowledge of the game". But that is wrong. You need to be good at the game to have good knowledge of the game.
The people that don't have time to play much? and such are in lower leagues? They don't have good knowledge of the game.
They don't know the knowledge to scout, keeping map control, when to expand, how to macro, how to engage, what general timings, guessing the enemy, and other things.
Artosis is not some "bronze that has massive understanding of the game". If Artosis and Tasteless were in gold or silver like TB and djWheat, they will have shit insight because they don't know anything.
And it's ridiculous to think this is the same in any other sport. You think people that watch NBA or NFL would know just as much as the players themselves?
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Nada never disappoints. He is the most consistent player in the GSL. Is he not?
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On July 06 2011 01:18 iYiYi wrote:
Nada never disappoints. He is the most consistent player in the GSL. Is he not?
If you mean consistent at NEVER getting to a GSL final, then yes.
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Every day I come from work, open the GSL thread, check the results, and lose all interest in watching any of the games.
sC and MVP out...why is this game so random?
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Whenever I hear Diamond or lower players talk about the game it just sounds like they are regurgitating Day9isms or talking about what they saw someone do on their stream once. They always speak in matter of fact terms and the reason they aren't masters yet is always because they just dont have time to play. I would say probably the 95th percentile of players and lower have a "deep" understanding of the game and that percentage includes a fairly small number of diamond players. Even at higher levels though the understanding a low masters player, for instance, can have will be no where near a GM player in their respective race.
Honestly execution is important and takes practice and time, but nothing on its face is difficult. Anyone saying that they understand the game that can't execute and thats why they're stuck in X league is just full of shit IMO
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On July 06 2011 01:25 Jayrod wrote:
Whenever I hear Diamond or lower players talk about the game it just sounds like they are regurgitating Day9isms or talking about what they saw someone do on their stream once. They always speak in matter of fact terms and the reason they aren't masters yet is always because they just dont have time to play. I would say probably the 95th percentile of players and lower have a "deep" understanding of the game and that percentage includes a fairly small number of diamond players. Even at higher levels though the understanding a low masters player, for instance, can have will be no where near a GM player in their respective race.
Honestly execution is important and takes practice and time, but nothing on its face is difficult. Anyone saying that they understand the game that can't execute and thats why they're stuck in X league is just full of shit IMO
Oh really? I don't think OGSTHEWIND can handle the micro. OGSMC or MarineKing can execute. You calling them shit? -_-
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On July 05 2011 22:24 Sc2Null wrote:
lol @ comparisons of ladder. You basically saying the top pro's of NA are only as good as EU plat players? I lol @ your idiocy. Blanket statements are a logic's best friend.
Agree so much with that.
I'm EU Platinum. Who the FUCK thinks I can rival with NA GM league? Seriously? I certainly don't.
People need to stop posting retarded shit.
Also, on the "Hongun had no stalkers to protect his colossi, omfg" issue, this is IRRELEVANT. Hongun was planning to suicide his colossi all game long, and to smash everything anyway with his Speedlots/Archons, which he did. It looked even more easy than it should have because Supernova failed at the positionning of his vikings during the last battle, but it would'nt have mattered either way.
Hongun never needed any stalkers. He was more like "yeah, kill my colossi, then after my chargelots/archons raped all your MM, try to land those 10 leftover vikings to see how things go".
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Why talk about what league are you in, just shut up and watch the games, ok?
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EPT
