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Sadly after all this time with so many tournament threads it still is not clear to many users on this site. There are several types of posts that are not acceptable in tournament threads. Any form of:

Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining

Will result in two day to a week long bans even for first offenses. Please stick to the games at hand and enjoy yourselves with a beautiful event such as this and the free service that comes with it.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 21:05:39
June 19 2011 21:04 GMT
#12161
On June 20 2011 06:01 skrzmark wrote:
I think its still possible for a Top 3 Korean finish? I have a feeling July can be taken out in a ZvZ though against Sen.


If Sen takes out July then it could well be a Sen vs. Korean(s) finals, in which case Sen would likely lose because neither MC nor Bomber are good opponents for Sen unless he's learned a lot from his earlier match vs. MC.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 19 2011 21:04 GMT
#12162
On June 20 2011 06:01 drooL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:57 cpmoney wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:55 Zekely wrote:
To all you people who think Moon is bad--

1) Watch his NASL matches
2) Watch his games from this tournament
3) Learn to use the Team Liquid Database<<<<<<<<********

One botched baneling detonation, and one silly comment from Huk on SOTG and everyone assumes he's terrible. Sigh.....


Agreed. Moon is fantastic!


oh hell yes he is. i am convinced now as well. that guy... left me completely (COMPLETELY) baffled after the 2 whitera games. comes, kills, disappears. holy shit. rooting for him from here on out.


Apparently Moon had the on/off thing in War3 as well (from what War3 fans have posted). He'll play insanely good one match, then leave you going "what the hell just happened?" the next match. He's good at holding on in matches as well, as he tends to botch the midgames pretty badly at times.
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
June 19 2011 21:04 GMT
#12163
On June 20 2011 06:03 ZeaL. wrote:
Why are people so nationalistic? If koreans win everything because they're better, whine about how your nation's players can't compete.

It's been that way with sports for as long as sporting events existed.
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
June 19 2011 21:05 GMT
#12164
On June 20 2011 06:01 NexUmbra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:55 FinnGamer wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:52 nvs. wrote:

When u see the same players winning again and again, yes.


well then some people better step da fuck up and challenge them. ^^

Remind for example just won his 42nd zotac cup and it's still fun to watch. Some day some one will beat the person up top and it will be even more interesting


Damn WC3 Remind? I didn't know he played SC2

He doesnt theres a zotac cup in WC3
Clog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States950 Posts
June 19 2011 21:05 GMT
#12165
On June 20 2011 06:03 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:56 Clog wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:52 Caphe wrote:
Idra fanboys are just ridiculous. Idra got a huge advantage after playing like a boss with amazing star sense on the 1st half of the game.
Then he decide to mass Roach O_O.
If he tech to any tech path he would have won, even teching to overlord drop is gonna screw MC up big time, Muta will do as well, and ofc infestor and bane will own stalkers.



Some people will see what they want to see

I'm pretty sure the majority of "Idra fanboys" here (including myself) are in fact acknowledging that mass roaches gets destroyed by blink stalker (note - not imbalanced, just a fact), and saying that Idra needs to get his shit together and get a more diverse army comp once he has that big of a lead.

And for the record, a tech switch to Muta would have probably been complete shit against a mass blink stalker 2 base all in.


Well, Idra has improved his early game against Protoss a lot. Now he just needs to figure out the mid-game. He takes some really nice leads into the midgame, but he doesn't capitalize on them well. Though Game 1 he had, he just mis-microed the followup attack after he killed the 2nd Colossus (and probably should have streamed Lings. Game 2 he didn't have a follow up plan to that attack.

It should be noted there is something of a developing meta game between MC & Idra forming. It's kind of funny!


True that. His midgame zvp reminds me of my own... just kinda getting roaches and hydras and not much else tech and going from there -_-
NesTea | LosirA | MVP | CoCa | Nada | Ryung | DRG | YongHwa
Spicy Pepper
Profile Joined December 2009
United States632 Posts
June 19 2011 21:05 GMT
#12166
On June 20 2011 05:59 postlapsaria wrote:
why does everything have to turn into a "korea vs foreigner" debate with you guys

Come on man, this is important. Is Huk a foreigner, or has he been promoted to a Korean?

TL, please tell me the answer to this!
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
June 19 2011 21:05 GMT
#12167
On June 20 2011 06:01 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:52 epik16 wrote:
Let's be honest, Idra is not on MC's level so we shouldn't use their games for balance insight.

Losira absolutely raped MC. Zergs like Nestea, July would be better and the new generation of zergs like DRG and Line would probably give him headaches as well.


Then I'm very worried because Idra has dominated the foreign scene pretty much. Destroyed IPL, destroyed all of his competition in MLG (barring Thorzain). The foreign scene doesn't have much hope to beat Korea if Idra isn't on MC's level.


Who is Merz?? Is he the best in the foreigner scene??
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
LittleJohn
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden204 Posts
June 19 2011 21:05 GMT
#12168
hahahahahhaha

whenever idra loses to a protoss his entire fanclub comes into the LR thread and whines about forcefield imba and all kind of silly things.
Refreshe
Profile Joined May 2010
United States141 Posts
June 19 2011 21:05 GMT
#12169
On June 20 2011 06:04 JayDee_ wrote:
Can somebody link me to a DH stream? I can't find one thats running atm.


Games are over for today.
XiGua
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden3085 Posts
June 19 2011 21:05 GMT
#12170
On June 20 2011 06:05 Spicy Pepper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:59 postlapsaria wrote:
why does everything have to turn into a "korea vs foreigner" debate with you guys

Come on man, this is important. Is Huk a foreigner, or has he been promoted to a Korean?

TL, please tell me the answer to this!

He is Canadian, now stop with this BS.
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) APM, Why u make me spam?
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
June 19 2011 21:05 GMT
#12171
On June 20 2011 06:01 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:52 epik16 wrote:
Let's be honest, Idra is not on MC's level so we shouldn't use their games for balance insight.

Losira absolutely raped MC. Zergs like Nestea, July would be better and the new generation of zergs like DRG and Line would probably give him headaches as well.


Then I'm very worried because Idra has dominated the foreign scene pretty much. Destroyed IPL, destroyed all of his competition in MLG (barring Thorzain). The foreign scene doesn't have much hope to beat Korea if Idra isn't on MC's level.


Thorzain beat him, Sase beat him and I'm pretty sure players like Naniwa, Nerchio, White Ra, Dimaga etc would be able to beat Idra. Naniwa and Thorzain are also going to Korea to improve and play in code A. Give them the time and the opportunity and they will be able to compete with anyone.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
June 19 2011 21:06 GMT
#12172
On June 20 2011 06:05 Spicy Pepper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:59 postlapsaria wrote:
why does everything have to turn into a "korea vs foreigner" debate with you guys

Come on man, this is important. Is Huk a foreigner, or has he been promoted to a Korean?

TL, please tell me the answer to this!


Huk is an international archon. He melded foreigner and korean into one. He has no nationality anymore. The proof is in the kimchi.
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler █ MVP ■ MC ■ Boxer ■ Grubby █
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
June 19 2011 21:06 GMT
#12173
On June 20 2011 06:03 mordk wrote:
Koreans dominating again. How do they fare in series now? Like.. 15-1??


no.

It is 23-1.
xlord 5:0
KillAudio
Profile Joined October 2010
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 21:08:30
June 19 2011 21:06 GMT
#12174
On June 20 2011 06:04 ScaringKids wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 06:00 KillAudio wrote:
How many viewers were there in LoL?


Peaked at 200k today with average 170k id say over the weekend.

Holy craaaap that's a lot!! Esports is friggin awesome at europe.
From a scale of sheth to idra, how mad are you?
Tsuki.eu
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1049 Posts
June 19 2011 21:06 GMT
#12175
only 1 T alive? BOMBER FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
June 19 2011 21:06 GMT
#12176
On June 20 2011 06:04 ScaringKids wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 06:00 KillAudio wrote:
How many viewers were there in LoL?


Peaked at 200k today with average 170k id say over the weekend.



200k is crazy. Especially considering i dont know a soul who is playing that game.
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
TroubL
Profile Joined February 2011
Lithuania126 Posts
June 19 2011 21:06 GMT
#12177
*** SPOILER ALERT ***

so sad that white-ra lost ;(

*** SPOILER ALERT ***
''Special Tactics since 1998'' - WhiteRa
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
June 19 2011 21:06 GMT
#12178
On June 20 2011 06:02 thefreed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:57 rysecake wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:54 Zaurus wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:51 Refreshe wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:47 Xpace wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:46 leungwk01 wrote:
Koreans once again rolling another tournament
Even with top EU/US player its the same story

Anyway
socke>huk
sen>july
bomber>mc
moon>naniwa

And MC owns everyone. even sen..


It will never change. Koreans will always be better than foreigners. It's not fanboyism or racism, it's the simple truth.


I don't think koreans will always be the best. I think the player that practices harder/the most will always be the best. HuK is not a korean korean. but he practices similar like the koreans so he is doing really well.


Completely agree. Everything is pointing to the fact the Koreans have the best training setups suitable for SC2.


Wait..you just contradicted yourself. We already know it's the training regime that makes koreans the best. Foreigners will never have that work ethic or infrastructure. By the time they do get it the korean infrastructure will probably be at the next level anyways. Koreans will forever be ahead. That's not to say you can't enjoy foreigner play. Cheering for your home team is always fun. But the foreigner scene is and possibly will always be in the shadow of the korean scene.

It's not the work ethic... I think that's just the image or what's the psychology word I am looking for here... Anyway It's basically the environment of having so many top tier players to play against all the time that basically makes you in to a better player.


That environment didn't just pop out of the grass. I agree with you, but the reason the koreans have that environment already is because of their work ethic since day 1 of sc1 10 years ago. A decade of hard work created the environment you see today. And it's not something the foreigner scene can produce overnight.
The Notorious Winkles
Darkthorn
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania912 Posts
June 19 2011 21:06 GMT
#12179
On June 20 2011 06:03 Zeborg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:59 Darkthorn wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:56 Bashion wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:53 Cpadolf wrote:
Predictions for tomorrow:

(P)HuK > (P)Socke
(Z)Sen > (Z)July
(T)Bomber > (P)MC
(P)NaNiwa > (Z)Moon

(Z)Sen > (P)HuK
(T)Bomber (P)NaNiwa

(Z)Sen > (T)Bomber


I agree 100% with you.

Bombers TVP is crazily good. Even better than Polt´s.




Based on what? When bomber played MC in the GSTL he tried a cheap 4 rax marine only cheese lol.


When White-Ra was in Korea pre-4-gate nerf, Bomber beat him 8-2 and the two losses were due to 4-gate rushes.

As much as people love White-Ra he doesn't practice that much therefor he's not really at the korean level...so you can't say that Bomber has better TvP than Polt by beating any TSL(The SCV Life) protoss which suck or White-Ra.
Cryhavoc
Profile Joined April 2010
372 Posts
June 19 2011 21:06 GMT
#12180
On June 20 2011 06:05 Spicy Pepper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:59 postlapsaria wrote:
why does everything have to turn into a "korea vs foreigner" debate with you guys

Come on man, this is important. Is Huk a foreigner, or has he been promoted to a Korean?

TL, please tell me the answer to this!

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