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On June 20 2011 05:59 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:54 stork4ever wrote:
How well is the euro scene reflected in this tournament? Did the best players compete? Koreans+Sen seems to be in class by themselves. The good news is HuK! Win it for NA lol The best of the best were there, in terms of the EU. DH was only missing a few top players like Nerchio and Strelok, but i wouldn't rate those players on top of players like Kas, Thorzain, Naniwa, Morrow, and Dimaga, half of whom fell in the group stages.
Strelok was there. And he IS in the same league as Kas Thorain Nani etc
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On June 20 2011 05:52 epik16 wrote:
Let's be honest, Idra is not on MC's level so we shouldn't use their games for balance insight.
Losira absolutely raped MC. Zergs like Nestea, July would be better and the new generation of zergs like DRG and Line would probably give him headaches as well.
Then I'm very worried because Idra has dominated the foreign scene pretty much. Destroyed IPL, destroyed all of his competition in MLG (barring Thorzain). The foreign scene doesn't have much hope to beat Korea if Idra isn't on MC's level.
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I think its still possible for a Top 3 Korean finish? I have a feeling July can be taken out in a ZvZ though against Sen.
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On June 20 2011 05:57 cpmoney wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:55 Zekely wrote:
To all you people who think Moon is bad--
1) Watch his NASL matches
2) Watch his games from this tournament
3) Learn to use the Team Liquid Database<<<<<<<<********
One botched baneling detonation, and one silly comment from Huk on SOTG and everyone assumes he's terrible. Sigh..... Agreed. Moon is fantastic!
oh hell yes he is. i am convinced now as well. that guy... left me completely (COMPLETELY) baffled after the 2 whitera games. comes, kills, disappears. holy shit. rooting for him from here on out.
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You people need to understand: zerg inherently has more supply when they're massing roaches if a greater supply in zvp meant a zerg victory toss would never win.
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About Idra vs MC.
First off. Idra has to play a style he is comfortable with. I am sure he is practicing this new ling/bling + maybe mutas style of play but if he hasnt nailed it down yet he cant use it properly.
Second, I think that what Idra did in game 2 works against his team mates on EG as inControl and Axslav are nowhere near MC´s level of play. It prolly works on the NA ladder as well.
Tbh I think Idra did everything he could to win with the tools he had avaliable. It just wasnt enough.
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On June 20 2011 05:54 Darkthorn wrote:
WTF are people talking about moon beating naniwa lol...I am a zerg but at MLG nani 2-0 moon in the groups...
lol? idra 2-0'd mc at mlg. then he got 4-0 then 2-0'd.
one result doesn't indicate much...
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On June 20 2011 05:59 Darkthorn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:56 Bashion wrote:I agree 100% with you. Bombers TVP is crazily good. Even better than Polt´s. Based on what? When bomber played MC in the GSTL he tried a cheap 4 rax marine only cheese lol.
Bomber and MC are very evenly matched.
It's 5-4 in MC's favour over 9 games.
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MC is just awesome vs Zergs go check the gomtv / tlpd records.. Idra played a gg, don't hate
Not too many Zergs have beat him in a series. Not whine just facts
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I kinda lost my respect for IdrA..I've been a fan for a long long long time..but when he disappoints his fans that have waited hours for his games and leaves that easy as he did in game 2 vs MC..that just upsets me.
He screwed it up bigtime for sure with his transition into the game but still.. not microing his units good enough and leaving when he actually got a semi-good chance to get back into the game..that just makes the fans upset.
I dunno if he is scared about humiliation but when he leaves as he does in his games he makes people think he is a quitter. And thats worse..Anyways he is a very talented player..but he seriously made alot of fans wait for practically nothing at all. NesTea would never leave in such a state of the game at least.
I always said SEn is the best non KR Zerg there is and it wouldnt suprise me if I see him winning the whole shit now..I hope he beats July next.
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On June 20 2011 05:54 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:48 Clog wrote:On June 20 2011 05:44 taldarimAltar wrote:On June 20 2011 05:42 Scribble wrote:On June 20 2011 05:36 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 20 2011 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:On June 20 2011 05:32 shaman6ix wrote:go ahaid brainwashed idra minions, whine about balance despite idra playing painfully bad  70 food lead = bad play? oh, wow, idra haters are just as bad as idra lovers. Massing pure Roach = bad play. I'm sorry that IdrA can't win with one unit. The problem with this statement is the "Idra can't win with one unit" remark, when that's exactly what MC did. Not saying there is necessarily an imbalance, just pointing out that your statement doesn't make sense. How does zerg win with a single unit? Blink stalkers can do it but even MC had sentries All of his sentries died to the burrowed roach attack at MC's front. I'm pretty sure he didn't make a single one after that - just pure stalkers. And an immortal or two (not that he needed it). Roaches just get owned too hard by stalkers, it would be like massing hydras against colossi, or massing zealots against roaches or some stupid situations like that. Lol this is new. Roaches get owned too hard by stalkers? You mean the unit that costs half that of a stalker but can beat it one on one in equal upgrades, from the race that is able to have a better early and mid-game econ? Blink is the only reason they are good, but let me direct you to the infestor which locks them down and deals damage. Look at game 2 of IdrA and MC at MLG, they were on equal bases, MC constantly denied the gold base, but IdrA steamrolled his blink stalkers when they had infestor support (and no the immortal neural parasite did not do enough damage to make it like 30 roaches surviving). Ever consider the possibility that IdrA just played horribly and MC played like MC?
Hm. I don't see what you're getting at. Are you denying that mass roach loses to mass blink stalker? No shit infestors are good. Idra didn't have any, and he needed to. If not that, then quicker hydras or something. Seems like you think I'm QQing or something.
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5 Asia, 2 EU, 1 NA in a completely dominated EU tourny
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On June 20 2011 05:52 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:51 Noocta wrote:On June 20 2011 05:49 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Hydra just don't work well enough against mass blink stalkers. Yes they do, as long as the cost is equal, even if he has great blink micro the hydras will just eat the stalkers. MC vs Idra game on testbug at MLG kinda show you that it's not the case. :/ He had 4 dts killing his hydras with no detection.
It was 2, don't spread misinformation
Pure Hydra is shit,
in fact Hydra is shit, I don't understand why IdrA and Ret make them voluntarily
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On June 20 2011 05:59 bluestuff wrote:
people complaining about the game should calm down......
What many of u seem to forget is that the people winning consistently against idra are not protoss but better players
100% true
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On June 20 2011 05:59 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:54 stork4ever wrote:
How well is the euro scene reflected in this tournament? Did the best players compete? Koreans+Sen seems to be in class by themselves. The good news is HuK! Win it for NA lol The best of the best were there, in terms of the EU. DH was only missing a few top players like Nerchio and Strelok, but i wouldn't rate those players on top of players like Kas, Thorzain, Naniwa, Morrow, and Dimaga, half of whom fell in the group stages.
Yea, and NA was only missing Kawaii and Kiwikaki, although I don't think you could count them as top tier either. On the other hand, we're missing a lot of the top Koreans.
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On June 20 2011 06:01 Namu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:54 Darkthorn wrote:
WTF are people talking about moon beating naniwa lol...I am a zerg but at MLG nani 2-0 moon in the groups... lol? idra 2-0'd mc at mlg. then he got 4-0 then 2-0'd. one result doesn't indicate much...
MC was jetlagged or as he did put it:
"First my condition bad, energy drink afterwards condition good, IdrA 0-4 cry very much"
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On June 20 2011 05:57 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:54 Zaurus wrote:On June 20 2011 05:51 Refreshe wrote:On June 20 2011 05:47 Xpace wrote:On June 20 2011 05:46 leungwk01 wrote:
Koreans once again rolling another tournament
Even with top EU/US player its the same story
Anyway
socke>huk
sen>july
bomber>mc
moon>naniwa
And MC owns everyone. even sen.. It will never change. Koreans will always be better than foreigners. It's not fanboyism or racism, it's the simple truth. I don't think koreans will always be the best. I think the player that practices harder/the most will always be the best. HuK is not a korean korean. but he practices similar like the koreans so he is doing really well. Completely agree. Everything is pointing to the fact the Koreans have the best training setups suitable for SC2. Wait..you just contradicted yourself. We already know it's the training regime that makes koreans the best. Foreigners will never have that work ethic or infrastructure. By the time they do get it the korean infrastructure will probably be at the next level anyways. Koreans will forever be ahead. That's not to say you can't enjoy foreigner play. Cheering for your home team is always fun. But the foreigner scene is and possibly will always be in the shadow of the korean scene.
It's not the work ethic... I think that's just the image or what's the psychology word I am looking for here... Anyway It's basically the environment of having so many top tier players to play against all the time that basically makes you in to a better player.
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On June 20 2011 06:01 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:52 epik16 wrote:
Let's be honest, Idra is not on MC's level so we shouldn't use their games for balance insight.
Losira absolutely raped MC. Zergs like Nestea, July would be better and the new generation of zergs like DRG and Line would probably give him headaches as well. Then I'm very worried because Idra has dominated the foreign scene pretty much. Destroyed IPL, destroyed all of his competition in MLG (barring Thorzain). The foreign scene doesn't have much hope to beat Korea if Idra isn't on MC's level.
Well ya that's pretty much true... but at the same time IdrA didn't head to head against too many good Europeans lately. For the ones that he did go against at DH he lost a few.
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On June 20 2011 05:59 Darkthorn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:56 Bashion wrote:I agree 100% with you. Bombers TVP is crazily good. Even better than Polt´s. Based on what? When bomber played MC in the GSTL he tried a cheap 4 rax marine only cheese lol.
MC is cheese proof almost. He consistantly holds things no one else would ever hold through clutch forcefields and micro.
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On June 20 2011 05:56 Clog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:52 Caphe wrote:
Idra fanboys are just ridiculous. Idra got a huge advantage after playing like a boss with amazing star sense on the 1st half of the game.
Then he decide to mass Roach O_O.
If he tech to any tech path he would have won, even teching to overlord drop is gonna screw MC up big time, Muta will do as well, and ofc infestor and bane will own stalkers.
Some people will see what they want to see I'm pretty sure the majority of "Idra fanboys" here (including myself) are in fact acknowledging that mass roaches gets destroyed by blink stalker (note - not imbalanced, just a fact), and saying that Idra needs to get his shit together and get a more diverse army comp once he has that big of a lead. And for the record, a tech switch to Muta would have probably been complete shit against a mass blink stalker 2 base all in.
Well, Idra has improved his early game against Protoss a lot. Now he just needs to figure out the mid-game. He takes some really nice leads into the midgame, but he doesn't capitalize on them well. Though Game 1 he had, he just mis-microed the followup attack after he killed the 2nd Colossus (and probably should have streamed Lings. Game 2 he didn't have a follow up plan to that attack.
It should be noted there is something of a developing meta game between MC & Idra forming. It's kind of funny!
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