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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
I see this as good weed-out crash test then. All of the weak-minded, wannabe progamers who lose the will to keep trying merely because Koreans keep winning will leave the scene. All of the real progamers who came into this knowing that the road would be tough will keep training as hard as they can until they can rival and/or beat the Koreans. This is how I see it too. 100% more respect for those who stick through it despite how difficult it can be. | ||
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RinconH
United States512 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:25 Supamang wrote: Im sorry, but this is really pathetic. First of all, what the fuck is the point of being number 1 of a tournament that excludes people because of their higher skill level? Thats like celebrating become Rank 1 of your Platinum division. Yea, it is an achievement but no one on the global level will care or respect you for it. If you want to have a legitimate, respectable tournament that draws viewers and crowds worldwide, you better be damn sure you allow the best of the best to come to the tournament regardless of where they came from. And as for that second quote. Seriously wtf? So Koreans can't learn English? Koreans cant interact with non-Korean fans? what the hell are you trying to tell us here? Seriously. Look back at the tournament. The Koreans provided the best crowd interaction. Nerds like Idra such sit silently. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
i think the first is like he's sorry for only coming 3rd, cause a lot of people worked hard to get him to MLG 2nd looks like complaining about the extended rule, but i dunno, did MC even lose one? i know he played one against thorzain, but he won that. or maybe against idra? but he won that too. 3rd one again i think sorry for not winning the tournament, maybe ogs members were expecting it and were preparing a celebration. man google translate relaly sucks lol | ||
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Chainfire99
Canada474 Posts
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sraelgaiznaer
Philippines423 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:22 Fionn wrote: Jeez, some of you guys are ridiculous. When Jinro went back-to-back in GSL semifinals, did the Koreans get all mad because he didn't speak fluent Korean in interviews? Were they mad because some random white kid they never heard of was doing so well against their all powerful Koreans? No. The Korean fans embraced Jinro, got behind him, and even rooted for him against other Koreans. It would be awesome if others could do the same. this. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:26 Chainfire99 wrote: You're missing the point. The potential fall out of continuing Korean domination is the discouragement it could cause to the foreign players. If they feel they don't have a chance then why play the game at a professional level at all? The skill between the foreigners/Koreans isn't really that close. Look at the domination of the Koreans that came over. 3 out of the top 4 spots with the one Korean being knocked out by one of his countryman. Think of what the top 8 would of looked like if MKP, MVP, Bomber, and Nestea showed up. The best foreign players (small number) are equal at best with mid-tier Koreans. The infrastructure is not there for most of these non-Koreans to mirror Koreans and I don't think it will be built. If they don't want to play anymore because the Koreans are stomping them then that's their own fault. Like seriously? We're going to blame the Koreans for being good? If foreigners don't want to step up their game and train like a Korean pro gamer does, then they don't deserve to win anything. | ||
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:29 bennyaus wrote: Besides the top 10-15 foreign players, none of the other ones can even be considered professional as they don't play full-time. Maybe the foreign scene should start taking itself seriously and play full-time if it wants to compete in Korea with a scene that plays full time and takes it seriously. Those top 10-15 players already know they can compete at a low Code S level (maybe not with the big boys like Losira, MMA and MC yet) and I doubt they will be discouraged by this tournament. The rest of the foreigners should be motivated to practice more, so they can be considered professional gamers first, instead of just hobby gamers who practice for 1 week before a major LAN. I'm not sure if you realize this but just because the top foreigners decide to "take themselves seriously" and "practice more", it still isn't going to change anything unless they're magically given a fully funded team house with 10+ players who are just as good or better than themselves along with a coach and managers to help facilitate their practice. | ||
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awesomo0O
Tuvalu59 Posts
My best parts were when nani danced thinking he won but then lost lol. And when MC gave Idra a taste of his own medicine and then Idra being the classless scumbag that he is started whining about toss imba, that was epic, and the thumb down by MC after the game LUL TL;DR : epic weekend  | ||
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zZygote
Canada898 Posts
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Kyuueseishu
Canada15 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:00 EternaL_9 wrote: no hes a Korean and will always be a korean. we aren't going to watch his stream everyday, here interviews all the time, and watch him on SOTG. no. Idra dosent appear on SOTG that often and wont be anymore at all really anymore because of Inside the game. He dosent commentate on his stream to much except when he did that thing with jp. I like MMA he looked so happy and having so much fun seeing all his fans it really made me smile. I hope he returns and defends his crown! Its nice to see koreans coming this GSL MLG partnership is amazing. | ||
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MCMXVI
Norway1193 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:32 rysecake wrote: If they don't want to play anymore because the Koreans are stomping them then that's their own fault. Like seriously? We're going to blame the Koreans for being good? If foreigners don't want to step up their game and train like a Korean pro gamer does, then they don't deserve to win anything. Agree, 100%! You play to win the game, as one player once said. That's why you practice. To win the game. If you don't practice hard enough, or do not believe in yourself, then you don't belong in that sport/game. | ||
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HeadDesk
United States171 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:34 awesomo0O wrote: I loved this tournament, lots of epic games, epic moments, epic ceremonies, only epicness. My best parts were when nani danced thinking he won but then lost lol. And when MC gave Idra a taste of his own medicine and then Idra being the classless scumbag that he is started whining about toss imba, that was epic, and the thumb down by MC after the game LUL TL;DR : epic weekend Damn.. I missed the Nani dance! =( Have to find that. Was definitely an amazingly epic weekend. Also - the early Idra gg again - and then Day9 in the next game: "Idra just crushed that 2 rax bunker rush - expect him to gg at any moment" =D | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:32 rysecake wrote: If they don't want to play anymore because the Koreans are stomping them then that's their own fault. Like seriously? We're going to blame the Koreans for being good? If foreigners don't want to step up their game and train like a Korean pro gamer does, then they don't deserve to win anything. I think the idea is that you can't "punish" players in the foreigner's scene because it's already such a small scene that it could easily disappear if you pressed them harder. Yeah, it'd be great if some foreigners rose to the challenge but at this point they lack a lot of the infrastructure needed and the money isn't there to build them. I mean, leagues like NASL and IPL are a good start but it's obvious the foreigner's scene is still mostly an amateur's scene. Foreigners simply do not feel, in general, that eSports is a great career choice at this point. Building a scene is both carrot AND stick. You can't just have a stick. | ||
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-Exalt-
United States972 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:25 shykoreangirl wrote: that's great, but ultimatly the quality of players and games will start to weaken drastically. The grandest stages need to have the grandest players, or else no one will watch, and you fade into obscurity. THe MLG needs to be a grand stage, it's growing and has the moment to further the esports scene in the US. THe reason i'm going to disrespect your opinion is because while well intentioned your exclusion of pro players would keep American E-sports where it is, if not a step backwards. This MLG was by far the best one yet. The drama, the storylines, the Crazy amount of players from EVERYWHERE. take out koreans, take out foreigners, and i'm just watching some Meh iffy starleague with a small small sample size of players. If MLG wants to become a small regional SC2 scene, then that's fine. But if you want the continunted success of MLG and E-Sports as a whole you gotta include everyone, bring the best of the best from everywhere and let them loose on each other. If you had your way, MLG would just be one of those tournaments that pop on Team Liquid that most of us ignore because no one really "good" is playing in it and we go back to watching the GSL, and occasional TSL. You have your little tournament where your "idol" wins and the rest of US E-sports suffers. Well, the fact is MLG was undeniably the foreigners tournament before. Be it players from Europe, America, or Canada.. the focus would be on foreigners. Now the MLG is just another NASL with a few REALLY good koreans and the rest of the foreigners. The reason I don't think NOT having koreans in MLG really matters to 'the rest of us (asia?) is because there is already the NASL and GSL. GSL is a korean tournament, I think the foreigners should have their own major LAN as well. It might be too soon to speak though, hopefully a foreigner will win next time. But I doubt it.. a lot. The best koreans WILL have the newest styles, and they WILL have the most practice hours and will the top koreans will always (in general mind you) be ahead of the top foreigners with no lag of course. We'll see. I think after 2-3 MLGs when a top korean has won all of them, a lot more people will share my same opinion that it was better before. | ||
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Chainfire99
Canada474 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:33 Angra wrote: I'm not sure if you realize this but just because the top foreigners decide to "take themselves seriously" and "practice more", it still isn't going to change anything unless they're magically given a fully funded team house with 10+ players who are just as good or better than themselves along with a coach and managers to help facilitate their practice. +1 The infrastructure is just not there for the NA/EU scenes and I fear it will never be. E-sports is a niche interest and I don't see it growing much bigger. Out of the hundreds of people that I know...I am pretty sure I am the only uber sc2 nerd who watches professional sc2 games. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8316 Posts
Quoting so more people see it. | ||
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:30 chipmonklord17 wrote: I think this discredits a lot of the foreigners today. A lot of the group play were 2-1 matches and today alone Sjow/Thorzain took games (although not matches) off Koreans. Exactly. Even though I would have liked to see a foreigner in the top 3, it's not as if any of the three Koreans proved themselves to be unbeatable. Sjow was very close to beating MMA 2-1, for example. And though Thorzain lost to MC in the pool play, he would have been through against him in the bracket if not for extended series. What we found out this weekend was that the top Koreans - and make no mistake, everyone but Moon was a top Korean - are still one step above the top foreigners, but that it's not an impossible step to take. Several foreigners showed that they have the ability to play as well as these Koreans in any given match, the issue is more one of consistency. I would prefer it if the MLG didn't become entirely dominated by the Koreans, but for example a majority of Koreans in top 10 wouldn't really be a problem for me. Not if they deserved to get there. | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:34 awesomo0O wrote: I loved this tournament, lots of epic games, epic moments, epic ceremonies, only epicness. My best parts were when nani danced thinking he won but then lost lol. And when MC gave Idra a taste of his own medicine and then Idra being the classless scumbag that he is started whining about toss imba, that was epic, and the thumb down by MC after the game LUL TL;DR : epic weekend when i saw naniwa do that and lose this is what i thought of right away lol | ||
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Chainfire99
Canada474 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:36 Azarkon wrote: I think the idea is that you can't "punish" players in the foreigner's scene because it's already such a small scene that it could easily disappear if you pressed them harder. Yeah, it'd be great if some foreigners rose to the challenge but at this point they lack a lot of the infrastructure needed and the money isn't there to build them. I mean, leagues like NASL and IPL are a good start but it's obvious the foreigner's scene is still mostly an amateur's scene. Foreigners simply do not feel, in general, that eSports is a great career choice at this point. Building a scene is both carrot AND stick. You can't just have a stick. +1 User was warned for this post | ||
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IronSlayer
Canada30 Posts
Don't regret watching MLG in the slightest. SO entertaining =] | ||
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