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On June 06 2011 11:31 RinconH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:25 Supamang wrote:On June 06 2011 10:57 EternaL_9 wrote:
I'm starting to think it having the koreans for GSL is a bad thing
I used to llike MLG so much because I knew a foreigner I liked would win. Now with the best koreans coming over every MLG, the chances of a foreigner winning are slim. No more getting to see your favorite foreigner that you can INTERACT with (not here a translated interview) win MLG. On June 06 2011 11:00 EternaL_9 wrote:
no hes a Korean and will always be a korean. we aren't going to watch his stream everyday, here interviews all the time, and watch him on SOTG. no. Im sorry, but this is really pathetic. First of all, what the fuck is the point of being number 1 of a tournament that excludes people because of their higher skill level? Thats like celebrating become Rank 1 of your Platinum division. Yea, it is an achievement but no one on the global level will care or respect you for it. If you want to have a legitimate, respectable tournament that draws viewers and crowds worldwide, you better be damn sure you allow the best of the best to come to the tournament regardless of where they came from. And as for that second quote. Seriously wtf? So Koreans can't learn English? Koreans cant interact with non-Korean fans? what the hell are you trying to tell us here? Seriously. Look back at the tournament. The Koreans provided the best crowd interaction. Nerds like Idra such sit silently.
MC did, not all the koreans.
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On June 06 2011 11:31 RinconH wrote:
Seriously.
Look back at the tournament. The Koreans provided the best crowd interaction.
On June 06 2011 11:32 sraelgaiznaer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:22 Fionn wrote:
Jeez, some of you guys are ridiculous.
When Jinro went back-to-back in GSL semifinals, did the Koreans get all mad because he didn't speak fluent Korean in interviews? Were they mad because some random white kid they never heard of was doing so well against their all powerful Koreans?
No. The Korean fans embraced Jinro, got behind him, and even rooted for him against other Koreans.
It would be awesome if others could do the same. this.
On June 06 2011 11:32 rysecake wrote:
If they don't want to play anymore because the Koreans are stomping them then that's their own fault. Like seriously? We're going to blame the Koreans for being good? If foreigners don't want to step up their game and train like a Korean pro gamer does, then they don't deserve to win anything.
All of this was said within the last page. I'm glad that some people actually get it. As for the rest, I hope you guys come around soon.
Wax just sat down with MMA to interview him. You might want to read about his thoughts as well.
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It's going to take more tournaments such as this to continue to grow. For several reasons. Koreans continue to keep skill level high -> high level players = high level games -> really fucking awesome games to watch -> more people watching -> more revenue -> bigger events -> more revenue -> bigger events -> bigger prize pools -> more competition meaning more players. its obvious that it's the growth of the sc2 sport. and as that continues so will prize pools and sponsorships, corporate backings ie. feasible to make a living playing sc2. once we have this base established, foreign players can play sc2 full time and compete.
tl:dr, koreans coming is good for the sport. don't be a narrow minded tit
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On June 06 2011 11:41 rpgalon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:31 RinconH wrote:On June 06 2011 11:25 Supamang wrote:On June 06 2011 10:57 EternaL_9 wrote:
I'm starting to think it having the koreans for GSL is a bad thing
I used to llike MLG so much because I knew a foreigner I liked would win. Now with the best koreans coming over every MLG, the chances of a foreigner winning are slim. No more getting to see your favorite foreigner that you can INTERACT with (not here a translated interview) win MLG. On June 06 2011 11:00 EternaL_9 wrote:
no hes a Korean and will always be a korean. we aren't going to watch his stream everyday, here interviews all the time, and watch him on SOTG. no. Im sorry, but this is really pathetic. First of all, what the fuck is the point of being number 1 of a tournament that excludes people because of their higher skill level? Thats like celebrating become Rank 1 of your Platinum division. Yea, it is an achievement but no one on the global level will care or respect you for it. If you want to have a legitimate, respectable tournament that draws viewers and crowds worldwide, you better be damn sure you allow the best of the best to come to the tournament regardless of where they came from. And as for that second quote. Seriously wtf? So Koreans can't learn English? Koreans cant interact with non-Korean fans? what the hell are you trying to tell us here? Seriously. Look back at the tournament. The Koreans provided the best crowd interaction. Nerds like Idra such sit silently. MC did, not all the koreans.
mma going street fighter. July being july.
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On June 06 2011 11:41 rpgalon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:31 RinconH wrote:On June 06 2011 11:25 Supamang wrote:On June 06 2011 10:57 EternaL_9 wrote:
I'm starting to think it having the koreans for GSL is a bad thing
I used to llike MLG so much because I knew a foreigner I liked would win. Now with the best koreans coming over every MLG, the chances of a foreigner winning are slim. No more getting to see your favorite foreigner that you can INTERACT with (not here a translated interview) win MLG. On June 06 2011 11:00 EternaL_9 wrote:
no hes a Korean and will always be a korean. we aren't going to watch his stream everyday, here interviews all the time, and watch him on SOTG. no. Im sorry, but this is really pathetic. First of all, what the fuck is the point of being number 1 of a tournament that excludes people because of their higher skill level? Thats like celebrating become Rank 1 of your Platinum division. Yea, it is an achievement but no one on the global level will care or respect you for it. If you want to have a legitimate, respectable tournament that draws viewers and crowds worldwide, you better be damn sure you allow the best of the best to come to the tournament regardless of where they came from. And as for that second quote. Seriously wtf? So Koreans can't learn English? Koreans cant interact with non-Korean fans? what the hell are you trying to tell us here? Seriously. Look back at the tournament. The Koreans provided the best crowd interaction. Nerds like Idra such sit silently. MC did, not all the koreans.
MMA did too.
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MC did, not all the koreans.
Last time I checked, at the end everyone in the SC2 section was chanting MMA, MMA.
Likewise, Losira and JulyZerg got great receptions as well. Don't try to tell me otherwise. I heard it myself.
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I have 0 respect for any foreigner pro who gets discouraged by the results of this tournament.
Although Koreans swept the top 3 spots, many foreigners still took series off of them. This should be a driving force for foreigners to work even harder so they can give the next 4 Korean invites a run for their money.
Besides, MMA, MC, and Losira are considered to all be in the top 3 of their respective races in Korea and, most likely, the world. It is no suprise that they took the top 3 spots. Moon and July are legends in their own right and I don't think anyone expected them to finish lower than what they place.
That being said, MLG will seperate the wheat from chafe. Discouraged foreign pros clearly don't care for this game or eSports and we will see who the true ambassadors of the foreign scene will be in the months to come. Names like Naniwa, Sjow, Slush, Idra.
Assimilating the Korean and foreign scene will greatly benefit eSports. Hopefully, a foreigner will win Anaheim and that will make more Koreans want to compete and further improve eSports.
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On June 06 2011 11:41 rpgalon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:31 RinconH wrote:On June 06 2011 11:25 Supamang wrote:On June 06 2011 10:57 EternaL_9 wrote:
I'm starting to think it having the koreans for GSL is a bad thing
I used to llike MLG so much because I knew a foreigner I liked would win. Now with the best koreans coming over every MLG, the chances of a foreigner winning are slim. No more getting to see your favorite foreigner that you can INTERACT with (not here a translated interview) win MLG. On June 06 2011 11:00 EternaL_9 wrote:
no hes a Korean and will always be a korean. we aren't going to watch his stream everyday, here interviews all the time, and watch him on SOTG. no. Im sorry, but this is really pathetic. First of all, what the fuck is the point of being number 1 of a tournament that excludes people because of their higher skill level? Thats like celebrating become Rank 1 of your Platinum division. Yea, it is an achievement but no one on the global level will care or respect you for it. If you want to have a legitimate, respectable tournament that draws viewers and crowds worldwide, you better be damn sure you allow the best of the best to come to the tournament regardless of where they came from. And as for that second quote. Seriously wtf? So Koreans can't learn English? Koreans cant interact with non-Korean fans? what the hell are you trying to tell us here? Seriously. Look back at the tournament. The Koreans provided the best crowd interaction. Nerds like Idra such sit silently. MC did, not all the koreans.
MMA/Losira were more entertaining then the great white hope all 3 days long. MC took it to another level, sure, bbut MMA's ceremony was more excellent then anything done by a EU/NA player.
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On June 06 2011 11:35 zZygote wrote:
Why are people having assumptions that the Koreans will dominate the next MLG tournament? It's their first time overseas, there's no telling whether or not they'll do well in other MLG tournaments. Everything needs time, many NA/EU players had close matches with them.
What reasons do we have to think otherwise?
Every single LAN tournament outside of Dreamhack Winter that atleast one Korean participated in was won by a Korean, (and in the case of IEM the 3 Koreans there went 1, 2, 3; and in the case of MLG out of the 5 Koreans there they went 1, 2, 3), and AFAIK every online tournament outside of TSL that at least one Korean has participated in has been won by a Korean. Also, look at NASL results...
Moon: tied for 2nd in his group
Rainbow: failing -.-
July: 1st in his group
Ensnare: -.-
Squirtle: 1st in his group
Nada: tied for 2nd in his group
Ace: tied for 2nd in his group
MC: -.-
BoxeR: tied for 1st in his group
Zenio: tied for 2nd in his group
That's only 3 -.-'s! (lol), everyone else is either 1st or 2nd in their group.
I honestly don't know how people are still thinking that Foreigners are on the same level as Koreans anymore. Come on people. The only real argument those people had for a long time was the Korea vs the World GSL... not only was that almost 2/3 months ago now, but that was just the team league. Now I could go into great detail about how Team Leagues allow lesser players to beat blah blah blah sniping blah blah blah preparation blah. But just look at the individual tournament, every single Foreigner lost to the first Korean they faced except for the GOD THAT IS DIMAGA.
Well anyways, this MLG was awesome.
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To people to complain about Koreans winning. Do you want to close the doors of foreigners scene like what my country did?
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On June 06 2011 11:44 Fourn wrote:
I have 0 respect for any foreigner pro who gets discouraged by the results of this tournament.
Although Koreans swept the top 3 spots, many foreigners still took series off of them. This should be a driving force for foreigners to work even harder so they can give the next 4 Korean invites a run for their money.
Besides, MMA, MC, and Losira are considered to all be in the top 3 of their respective races in Korea and, most likely, the world. It is no suprise that they took the top 3 spots. Moon and July are legends in their own right and I don't think anyone expected them to finish lower than what they place.
That being said, MLG will seperate the wheat from chafe. Discouraged foreign pros clearly don't care for this game or eSports and we will see who the true ambassadors of the foreign scene will be in the months to come. Names like Naniwa, Sjow, Slush, Idra.
Assimilating the Korean and foreign scene will greatly benefit eSports. Hopefully, a foreigner will win Anaheim and that will make more Koreans want to compete and further improve eSports.
I said this before and I said it again,
This should rally us to come together to put forth better efforts. Positive attitudes will always win out.
It's a rallying cry for other pro gamers to say, 'not in our house' and do the time to make sure they are well prepared the next time they run into any Korean so to speak.
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On June 06 2011 11:26 DuB phool wrote:
Hey, does anybody know what MC just posted on Twitter? Google translate is pretty much useless. I want to know what he thought about how MLG went, which is most likely what they were about.
oGsMC 장민철
참.. 팔로워가 1만명이 넘었네여 ㅋㅋ 한국게이머로는 최초인가? 아무튼 통역해주신우주님 장재호선수 fox코치님 성준이형 강호 성원이형 채팀장님 트레버 레이첼 다 수고많이하셨구 나도 수고많이했다 ㅋㅋ 기가바이트에선 꼭 우승해야지..
oGsMC 장민철
다음에 만약 오게되면 꼭 조별풀리그에서 1등해야지.. =_= 2등했더니 게임수가... 강호랑할때 한게임만 빌드에서 앞섰어도 좋았을텐뎅 ㅠㅠ 심리전에서 3판 다 지고시작.. 결승전보면서 테란사기가 절로나오는 성원이형의 의료선 ㄷㄷ 어우 피곤해..
oGsMC 장민철
흐아아암 정말 힘드네여 ㅠㅠ 성원이형 축하하고 강호 수고했고.. 개인적으로 즐거운 추억 만들고가는 대회였습니당.. ㅡ.ㅡ 하지만 귀국여정이 걱정.. 돌아가서 또 중국가야되고.. 개인적으로 성원이형하고 결승하고싶었는데 아쉽 ㅠㅠ
From Top to Bottom Messages translates to:
(It's not perfect translation but very close enough)
Wow I have a over 10,000 followers! Wonder if I'm the first one to break that number as a Korean gamer? Anyway I would like to give thanks to Milkies, Moon, Fox coach, July, Losira, MMA, Chae, Trevor, and Rachel. You guys worked so hard, and I worked hard as well ^^. I will try to win in Gigabyte Tournament....
If I ever come back to play in MLG, I will try to be #1 in pool play.. =_= Played soo much game when I came second.. Kinda wished if I was ahead of the build at least in one game vs Losira T.T. I was already 3 games behind in metagame? (psychologically)... As I was a watching the finals.. MMA's medivacs are quite overpowered.. Ugh..
Sooo tiredddd. Congrats to MMA, Losira.. It was an awesome tourney, and I made lots of great memories here in MLG.. I'm kinda worried though.. As soon as I get to Korea.. I have to get ready to go to China.. Personally I wanted to face MMA.. T.T
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On June 06 2011 11:31 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:27 nvs. wrote:On June 06 2011 11:26 DuB phool wrote:
Hey, does anybody know what MC just posted on Twitter? Google translate is pretty much useless. I want to know what he thought about how MLG went, which is most likely what they were about.
oGsMC 장민철
참.. 팔로워가 1만명이 넘었네여 ㅋㅋ 한국게이머로는 최초인가? 아무튼 통역해주신우주님 장재호선수 fox코치님 성준이형 강호 성원이형 채팀장님 트레버 레이첼 다 수고많이하셨구 나도 수고많이했다 ㅋㅋ 기가바이트에선 꼭 우승해야지..
oGsMC 장민철
다음에 만약 오게되면 꼭 조별풀리그에서 1등해야지.. =_= 2등했더니 게임수가... 강호랑할때 한게임만 빌드에서 앞섰어도 좋았을텐뎅 ㅠㅠ 심리전에서 3판 다 지고시작.. 결승전보면서 테란사기가 절로나오는 성원이형의 의료선 ㄷㄷ 어우 피곤해..
oGsMC 장민철
흐아아암 정말 힘드네여 ㅠㅠ 성원이형 축하하고 강호 수고했고.. 개인적으로 즐거운 추억 만들고가는 대회였습니당.. ㅡ.ㅡ 하지만 귀국여정이 걱정.. 돌아가서 또 중국가야되고.. 개인적으로 성원이형하고 결승하고싶었는데 아쉽 ㅠㅠ
Somebody translate please please please <3 i think the first is like he's sorry for only coming 3rd, cause a lot of people worked hard to get him to MLG 2nd looks like complaining about the extended rule, but i dunno, did MC even lose one? i know he played one against thorzain, but he won that. or maybe against idra? but he won that too. 3rd one again i think sorry for not winning the tournament, maybe ogs members were expecting it and were preparing a celebration. man google translate relaly sucks lol
1st one talks about his followers exceeding 10k ppl and he looks happy about that lol. Thanks to every ppl that helped him out in the tournament. Next tournament in Gigabyte, he wants to win.
2nd - Next time he comes to mlg, he says he must get no.1 in pool league because 2nd place
was very tiring and it affected his games against losira. Also wathing MMA play in the finals made
Terran look like op with that medivac play, also saying it looks very tiring (to perform that kind of play or to block that? i don't quite know)
3rd - Very tired, congrats to mma and losira, he had mad fun this tournament but he's worried
about going back since he has to go to china right away (very tiring). He really wanted to be in finals againts MMA.
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On June 06 2011 11:44 Fourn wrote:
I have 0 respect for any foreigner pro who gets discouraged by the results of this tournament.
Although Koreans swept the top 3 spots, many foreigners still took series off of them. This should be a driving force for foreigners to work even harder so they can give the next 4 Korean invites a run for their money.
Besides, MMA, MC, and Losira are considered to all be in the top 3 of their respective races in Korea and, most likely, the world. It is no suprise that they took the top 3 spots. Moon and July are legends in their own right and I don't think anyone expected them to finish lower than what they place.
That being said, MLG will seperate the wheat from chafe. Discouraged foreign pros clearly don't care for this game or eSports and we will see who the true ambassadors of the foreign scene will be in the months to come. Names like Naniwa, Sjow, Slush, Idra.
Assimilating the Korean and foreign scene will greatly benefit eSports. Hopefully, a foreigner will win Anaheim and that will make more Koreans want to compete and further improve eSports.
i agree 100%!
This will only make better games and better players. And thats what, we, the viewers, want.
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On June 06 2011 11:27 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:26 DuB phool wrote:
Hey, does anybody know what MC just posted on Twitter? Google translate is pretty much useless. I want to know what he thought about how MLG went, which is most likely what they were about.
oGsMC 장민철
참.. 팔로워가 1만명이 넘었네여 ㅋㅋ 한국게이머로는 최초인가? 아무튼 통역해주신우주님 장재호선수 fox코치님 성준이형 강호 성원이형 채팀장님 트레버 레이첼 다 수고많이하셨구 나도 수고많이했다 ㅋㅋ 기가바이트에선 꼭 우승해야지..
oGsMC 장민철
다음에 만약 오게되면 꼭 조별풀리그에서 1등해야지.. =_= 2등했더니 게임수가... 강호랑할때 한게임만 빌드에서 앞섰어도 좋았을텐뎅 ㅠㅠ 심리전에서 3판 다 지고시작.. 결승전보면서 테란사기가 절로나오는 성원이형의 의료선 ㄷㄷ 어우 피곤해..
oGsMC 장민철
흐아아암 정말 힘드네여 ㅠㅠ 성원이형 축하하고 강호 수고했고.. 개인적으로 즐거운 추억 만들고가는 대회였습니당.. ㅡ.ㅡ 하지만 귀국여정이 걱정.. 돌아가서 또 중국가야되고.. 개인적으로 성원이형하고 결승하고싶었는데 아쉽 ㅠㅠ
Somebody translate please please please <3
To briefly summarize:
He's talking about how he's happy about finally having over 10,000 followers on his twitter, and thanking a bunch of people (including Moon and the FOX coach) for translating. He also says he definitely wants to finish 1st in his pool if he comes back because he was worn out after getting 2nd in his group and playing so many games.
He also congratulates MMA and says that he's made good memories from this tournament. He has to go back to Korea then to China, so he isn't looking forward to all that traveling and he mentions having wanted to play MMA in the final and regrets not getting that far.
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On June 06 2011 11:39 Chainfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:36 Azarkon wrote:On June 06 2011 11:32 rysecake wrote:On June 06 2011 11:26 Chainfire99 wrote:On June 06 2011 11:22 Fionn wrote:
Jeez, some of you guys are ridiculous.
When Jinro went back-to-back in GSL semifinals, did the Koreans get all mad because he didn't speak fluent Korean in interviews? Were they mad because some random white kid they never heard of was doing so well against their all powerful Koreans?
No. The Korean fans embraced Jinro, got behind him, and even rooted for him against other Koreans.
It would be awesome if others could do the same. You're missing the point. The potential fall out of continuing Korean domination is the discouragement it could cause to the foreign players. If they feel they don't have a chance then why play the game at a professional level at all? The skill between the foreigners/Koreans isn't really that close. Look at the domination of the Koreans that came over. 3 out of the top 4 spots with the one Korean being knocked out by one of his countryman. Think of what the top 8 would of looked like if MKP, MVP, Bomber, and Nestea showed up. The best foreign players (small number) are equal at best with mid-tier Koreans. The infrastructure is not there for most of these non-Koreans to mirror Koreans and I don't think it will be built. If they don't want to play anymore because the Koreans are stomping them then that's their own fault. Like seriously? We're going to blame the Koreans for being good? If foreigners don't want to step up their game and train like a Korean pro gamer does, then they don't deserve to win anything. I think the idea is that you can't "punish" players in the foreigner's scene because it's already such a small scene that it could easily disappear if you pressed them harder. Yeah, it'd be great if some foreigners rose to the challenge but at this point they lack a lot of the infrastructure needed and the money isn't there to build them. I mean, leagues like NASL and IPL are a good start but it's obvious the foreigner's scene is still mostly an amateur's scene. Foreigners simply do not feel, in general, that eSports is a great career choice at this point. Building a scene is both carrot AND stick. You can't just have a stick. +1
Ok. So we're basically accepting the fact that we want foreigners to become the best without sacrificing anything for it? Hell if I could play 1 or 2 hours a day and spend the rest of my time at the beach and still be able to beat Nestea or Mvp, etc. I'd gladly go pro.
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On June 06 2011 11:45 rlatkddbs07 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:37 TheDougler wrote:On June 06 2011 11:27 nvs. wrote:On June 06 2011 11:26 DuB phool wrote:
Hey, does anybody know what MC just posted on Twitter? Google translate is pretty much useless. I want to know what he thought about how MLG went, which is most likely what they were about.
oGsMC 장민철
참.. 팔로워가 1만명이 넘었네여 ㅋㅋ 한국게이머로는 최초인가? 아무튼 통역해주신우주님 장재호선수 fox코치님 성준이형 강호 성원이형 채팀장님 트레버 레이첼 다 수고많이하셨구 나도 수고많이했다 ㅋㅋ 기가바이트에선 꼭 우승해야지..
oGsMC 장민철
다음에 만약 오게되면 꼭 조별풀리그에서 1등해야지.. =_= 2등했더니 게임수가... 강호랑할때 한게임만 빌드에서 앞섰어도 좋았을텐뎅 ㅠㅠ 심리전에서 3판 다 지고시작.. 결승전보면서 테란사기가 절로나오는 성원이형의 의료선 ㄷㄷ 어우 피곤해..
oGsMC 장민철
흐아아암 정말 힘드네여 ㅠㅠ 성원이형 축하하고 강호 수고했고.. 개인적으로 즐거운 추억 만들고가는 대회였습니당.. ㅡ.ㅡ 하지만 귀국여정이 걱정.. 돌아가서 또 중국가야되고.. 개인적으로 성원이형하고 결승하고싶었는데 아쉽 ㅠㅠ
Somebody translate please please please <3 Quoting so more people see it. 1st: Something about having over 10k followers on Twitter and thanking the translators and saying good job to other korean pros. Also saying he's going to win on Gigabyte? (is this another tourney) 2nd: He said he 'll try to be 1st place in group matches next time, because he had to play a lot. and saying he would've been in better position if he had won in build fight. and watching MMA's micro with medvet made him feel like terran's op 3rd: I'm very tired T.T Congrats to MMA and good job Losira.. Personally, I made good memories in this tourney.. However, I'm worried about flights? After I return home, I have to go to China .. Also I wanted to have finals with MMA. T.T
that would be this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=213951
MC plays in 6 days in china
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On June 06 2011 11:45 rlatkddbs07 wrote:
Thanks a bunch for that!
Edit: for some reason that didn't quote correctly...
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EPT
