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At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
After Columbus. So, not this event.
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On June 06 2011 10:57 EternaL_9 wrote:
I'm starting to think it having the koreans for GSL is a bad thing
I used to llike MLG so much because I knew a foreigner I liked would win. Now with the best koreans coming over every MLG, the chances of a foreigner winning are slim. No more getting to see your favorite foreigner that you can INTERACT with (not here a translated interview) win MLG.
that's great, but ultimatly the quality of players and games will start to weaken drastically.
The grandest stages need to have the grandest players, or else no one will watch, and you fade into obscurity.
THe MLG needs to be a grand stage, it's growing and has the moment to further the esports scene in the US. THe reason i'm going to disrespect your opinion is because while well intentioned your exclusion of pro players would keep American E-sports where it is, if not a step backwards.
This MLG was by far the best one yet. The drama, the storylines, the Crazy amount of players from EVERYWHERE.
take out koreans, take out foreigners, and i'm just watching some Meh iffy starleague with a small small sample size of players. If MLG wants to become a small regional SC2 scene, then that's fine. But if you want the continunted success of MLG and E-Sports as a whole you gotta include everyone, bring the best of the best from everywhere and let them loose on each other.
If you had your way, MLG would just be one of those tournaments that pop on Team Liquid that most of us ignore because no one really "good" is playing in it and we go back to watching the GSL, and occasional TSL. You have your little tournament where your "idol" wins and the rest of US E-sports suffers.
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On June 06 2011 11:24 chipmonklord17 wrote:■At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
Edit: Read it over again. I see.
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Copy/Paste from that website:
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: [...]
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The top Koreans are ahead, we already knew this. The next level of Koreans isn't though. We got a little unlucky that the 2nd best ZvP in the world (after Nestea) happened to encounter a lot of P (Losira), one of the top 2 TvZ in the world (arguable with Mvp, MKP or SC) took out arguably the best foreign zerg, and one of the top 3 players in the world with strong matchups vs all race, took out a bunch of strong foreigners.
If they sent Moon, Lyn, Choyafou, ogsEnsnare, etc. along then we would've seen vastly different results.
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Hey, does anybody know what MC just posted on Twitter? Google translate is pretty much useless. I want to know what he thought about how MLG went, which is most likely what they were about.
oGsMC 장민철
참.. 팔로워가 1만명이 넘었네여 ㅋㅋ 한국게이머로는 최초인가? 아무튼 통역해주신우주님 장재호선수 fox코치님 성준이형 강호 성원이형 채팀장님 트레버 레이첼 다 수고많이하셨구 나도 수고많이했다 ㅋㅋ 기가바이트에선 꼭 우승해야지..
oGsMC 장민철
다음에 만약 오게되면 꼭 조별풀리그에서 1등해야지.. =_= 2등했더니 게임수가... 강호랑할때 한게임만 빌드에서 앞섰어도 좋았을텐뎅 ㅠㅠ 심리전에서 3판 다 지고시작.. 결승전보면서 테란사기가 절로나오는 성원이형의 의료선 ㄷㄷ 어우 피곤해..
oGsMC 장민철
흐아아암 정말 힘드네여 ㅠㅠ 성원이형 축하하고 강호 수고했고.. 개인적으로 즐거운 추억 만들고가는 대회였습니당.. ㅡ.ㅡ 하지만 귀국여정이 걱정.. 돌아가서 또 중국가야되고.. 개인적으로 성원이형하고 결승하고싶었는데 아쉽 ㅠㅠ
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On June 06 2011 11:22 Durantula wrote:
So from what I can figure out, MMA is now in Code S and IdrA, Ret, Slush, and Naniwa will receive invites to code A
No code-s for columbus, ret and Idra not interested in code a.
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On June 06 2011 11:24 TheGrimace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:22 Fionn wrote:
Jeez, some of you guys are ridiculous.
When Jinro went back-to-back in GSL semifinals, did the Koreans get all mad because he didn't speak fluent Korean in interviews? Were they mad because some random white kid they never heard of was doing so well against their all powerful Koreans?
No. The Korean fans embraced Jinro, got behind him, and even rooted for him against other Koreans.
It would be awesome if others could do the same. Yeah, this would be best. But to be fair, I think a lot of foreigners do embrace Koreans. Just look at the MMA chant at the end of the finals. They aren't outcasts or anything. This argument is based in a fringe part of the community. But it should still be discussed, people need to get their ideas out there so we can talk about them and perhaps grow beyond them.
It's only a small portion of posters on TL that hate the Koreans. The majority of us love watching their play because we respect that they are the most skilled in the group.
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On June 06 2011 11:25 Durantula wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:24 chipmonklord17 wrote:■At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status. Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status. Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players. If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
... Doesn't apply to MLG Columbus.
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On June 06 2011 11:22 Fionn wrote:
Jeez, some of you guys are ridiculous.
When Jinro went back-to-back in GSL semifinals, did the Koreans get all mad because he didn't speak fluent Korean in interviews? Were they mad because some random white kid they never heard of was doing so well against their all powerful Koreans?
No. The Korean fans embraced Jinro, got behind him, and even rooted for him against other Koreans.
It would be awesome if others could do the same.
You're missing the point. The potential fall out of continuing Korean domination is the discouragement it could cause to the foreign players. If they feel they don't have a chance then why play the game at a professional level at all? The skill between the foreigners/Koreans isn't really that close. Look at the domination of the Koreans that came over. 3 out of the top 4 spots with the one Korean being knocked out by one of his countryman. Think of what the top 8 would of looked like if MKP, MVP, Bomber, and Nestea showed up. The best foreign players (small number) are equal at best with mid-tier Koreans.
The infrastructure is not there for most of these non-Koreans to mirror Koreans and I don't think it will be built.
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From what I understand this is what people want, GSL all foreigners and MLG no Koreans. This should not be a exchange program but a take in program. Great for esport.
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On June 06 2011 11:26 DuB phool wrote:
Hey, does anybody know what MC just posted on Twitter? Google translate is pretty much useless. I want to know what he thought about how MLG went, which is most likely what they were about.
oGsMC 장민철
참.. 팔로워가 1만명이 넘었네여 ㅋㅋ 한국게이머로는 최초인가? 아무튼 통역해주신우주님 장재호선수 fox코치님 성준이형 강호 성원이형 채팀장님 트레버 레이첼 다 수고많이하셨구 나도 수고많이했다 ㅋㅋ 기가바이트에선 꼭 우승해야지..
oGsMC 장민철
다음에 만약 오게되면 꼭 조별풀리그에서 1등해야지.. =_= 2등했더니 게임수가... 강호랑할때 한게임만 빌드에서 앞섰어도 좋았을텐뎅 ㅠㅠ 심리전에서 3판 다 지고시작.. 결승전보면서 테란사기가 절로나오는 성원이형의 의료선 ㄷㄷ 어우 피곤해..
oGsMC 장민철
흐아아암 정말 힘드네여 ㅠㅠ 성원이형 축하하고 강호 수고했고.. 개인적으로 즐거운 추억 만들고가는 대회였습니당.. ㅡ.ㅡ 하지만 귀국여정이 걱정.. 돌아가서 또 중국가야되고.. 개인적으로 성원이형하고 결승하고싶었는데 아쉽 ㅠㅠ
Somebody translate please please please <3
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This is from MC's twitter just now:
Korean:
+ Show Spoiler +
다음에 만약 오게되면 꼭 조별풀리그에서 1등해야지.. =_= 2등했더니 게임수가... 강호랑할때 한게임만 빌드에서 앞섰어도 좋았을텐뎅 ㅠㅠ 심리전에서 3판 다 지고시작.. 결승전보면서 테란사기가 절로나오는 성원이형의 의료선 ㄷㄷ 어우 피곤해..
Google translate:
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When it comes to the group after just one full league deunghaeyaji .. = _ = 2, the number of deunghaetdeoni game ... When you build from Trang Ho apseoteodo jotateultendeng ㅠ ㅠ psychological game before pulling out three plates from the start is everything .. Members out watching the final two sections of type Terran morale d Au d uiryoseon tired ..
According to Google translate, it looks like it might be something about the extended series rule, but the translation has plenty of holes in it... can someone awesome give it a go?
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On June 06 2011 11:26 Chainfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:22 Fionn wrote:
Jeez, some of you guys are ridiculous.
When Jinro went back-to-back in GSL semifinals, did the Koreans get all mad because he didn't speak fluent Korean in interviews? Were they mad because some random white kid they never heard of was doing so well against their all powerful Koreans?
No. The Korean fans embraced Jinro, got behind him, and even rooted for him against other Koreans.
It would be awesome if others could do the same. You're missing the point. The potential fall out of continuing Korean domination is the discouragement it could cause to the foreign players. If they feel they don't have a chance then why play the game at a professional level at all? The skill between the foreigners/Koreans isn't really that close. Look at the domination of the Koreans that came over. 3 out of the top 4 spots with the one Korean being knocked out by one of his countryman. Think of what the top 8 would of looked like if MKP, MVP, Bomber, and Nestea showed up. The best foreign players (small number) are equal at best with mid-tier Koreans.
This is why foreigners need to wake up and relize they need to get their shit together and start putting the time in training with the best in the world. If they dont in the next yr or 2 the scene is just going to be like the scene is for bw.
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On June 06 2011 11:27 skullhoof wrote:
From what I understand this is what people want, GSL all foreigners and MLG no Koreans. This should not be a exchange program but a take in program. Great for esport.
What some people want. Don't take it as the whole community. Just look at how slowly the pages are progressing now on this thread. It's the minority wanting such things.
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What applys to MLG Columbus is the top 3 foreign players get code A invites.
That would be IdrA (probably will decline his), Slush (not sure if he would take it or not) and NaNiwa (I think that he is the most likely to accept the invite).
So there will be 1 or 2 spots for lower-ranked MLG players, maybe ThorZain or MajOr could get in, I think those two would do well in the GSL.
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On June 06 2011 11:27 skullhoof wrote:
From what I understand this is what people want, GSL all foreigners and MLG no Koreans. This should not be a exchange program but a take in program. Great for esport.
From what I remember in a poll awhile back on TL, the majority of people wanted Koreans in US/EU tournaments because otherwise it would weaken the competition.. but now that they are hit with reality, they don't want the Koreans anymore. :p
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On June 06 2011 11:26 Chainfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:22 Fionn wrote:
Jeez, some of you guys are ridiculous.
When Jinro went back-to-back in GSL semifinals, did the Koreans get all mad because he didn't speak fluent Korean in interviews? Were they mad because some random white kid they never heard of was doing so well against their all powerful Koreans?
No. The Korean fans embraced Jinro, got behind him, and even rooted for him against other Koreans.
It would be awesome if others could do the same. You're missing the point. The potential fall out of continuing Korean domination is the discouragement it could cause to the foreign players. If they feel they don't have a chance then why play the game at a professional level at all? The skill between the foreigners/Koreans isn't really that close. Look at the domination of the Koreans that came over. 3 out of the top 4 spots with the one Korean being knocked out by one of his countryman. Think of what the top 8 would of looked like if MKP, MVP, Bomber, and Nestea showed up. The best foreign players (small number) are equal at best with mid-tier Koreans.
I see this as good weed-out crash test then. All of the weak-minded, wannabe progamers who lose the will to keep trying merely because Koreans keep winning will leave the scene. All of the real progamers who came into this knowing that the road would be tough will keep training as hard as they can until they can rival and/or beat the Koreans.
I seriously dont see a problem with this. If all of the foreigners give up because it looks like they dont stand a chance, what makes you think they deserved to compete at the top level in the first place?
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On June 06 2011 11:26 Chainfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:22 Fionn wrote:
Jeez, some of you guys are ridiculous.
When Jinro went back-to-back in GSL semifinals, did the Koreans get all mad because he didn't speak fluent Korean in interviews? Were they mad because some random white kid they never heard of was doing so well against their all powerful Koreans?
No. The Korean fans embraced Jinro, got behind him, and even rooted for him against other Koreans.
It would be awesome if others could do the same. You're missing the point. The potential fall out of continuing Korean domination is the discouragement it could cause to the foreign players. If they feel they don't have a chance then why play the game at a professional level at all? The skill between the foreigners/Koreans isn't really that close. Look at the domination of the Koreans that came over. 3 out of the top 4 spots with the one Korean being knocked out by one of his countryman. Think of what the top 8 would of looked like if MKP, MVP, Bomber, and Nestea showed up. The best foreign players (small number) are equal at best with mid-tier Koreans.
Besides the top 10-15 foreign players, none of the other ones can even be considered professional as they don't play full-time. Maybe the foreign scene should start taking itself seriously and play full-time if it wants to compete in Korea with a scene that plays full time and takes it seriously. Those top 10-15 players already know they can compete at a low Code S level (maybe not with the big boys like Losira, MMA and MC yet) and I doubt they will be discouraged by this tournament. The rest of the foreigners should be motivated to practice more, so they can be considered professional gamers first, instead of just hobby gamers who practice for 1 week before a major LAN.
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On June 06 2011 11:26 Chainfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:22 Fionn wrote:
Jeez, some of you guys are ridiculous.
When Jinro went back-to-back in GSL semifinals, did the Koreans get all mad because he didn't speak fluent Korean in interviews? Were they mad because some random white kid they never heard of was doing so well against their all powerful Koreans?
No. The Korean fans embraced Jinro, got behind him, and even rooted for him against other Koreans.
It would be awesome if others could do the same. You're missing the point. The potential fall out of continuing Korean domination is the discouragement it could cause to the foreign players. If they feel they don't have a chance then why play the game at a professional level at all? The skill between the foreigners/Koreans isn't really that close. Look at the domination of the Koreans that came over. 3 out of the top 4 spots with the one Korean being knocked out by one of his countryman. Think of what the top 8 would of looked like if MKP, MVP, Bomber, and Nestea showed up. The best foreign players (small number) are equal at best with mid-tier Koreans. The infrastructure is not there for most of these non-Koreans to mirror Koreans and I don't think it will be built.
I think this discredits a lot of the foreigners today. A lot of the group play were 2-1 matches and today alone Sjow/Thorzain took games (although not matches) off Koreans.
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