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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:14 zev318 wrote: ya many of them didn't know where exactly they stand in terms of skill with the koreans. this will serve as a measuring stick, and hopefully will encourage them to work even harder If it doesn't the foreign scene will fall further and further behind....sigh. | ||
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ellirc
Sweden3286 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:09 Wargizmo wrote: Anyone know if Naniwa & Slush played the 5/6 placement match? I don't think so. Not 100% sure though. | ||
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Cuiu
Germany410 Posts
i mean take the koreans ot of the mlg columbus and we would have just a normal tournament but with them we had the chance to experienced the best story's in the sc2 esport history i don't care about the na/eu players i want to be entertained and when thy lose bad for them but this is not my problem train harder,don´t gg to early,don´t brake your hands etc.^^ | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:15 DamageControL wrote: If it doesn't the foreign scene will fall further and further behind....sigh. It will either way. The only way it wont is if foreigners suck it up and continue to challenge and face Koreans head on. Any other result will lead to the western scene falling. You can't ever reach the best if you don't face people that are better than you, so any kind of separation from the Korean scene is helping to widen the skill gap. | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:15 JoeSchmoe wrote: yeah lets all make excuses. MC says he was jet lagged day 1 blah blah no one cares. at the end of the day u look at the results and it says MC > Idra. Yes. MC may be better than IdrA I don't understand why people are giving someone shit for this, there is only one person who is ARGUABLY better than Mc right now. | ||
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duk3
United States807 Posts
They played, Slush won according to the ranking pictures from MLG. | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
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TheGrimace
United States929 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:12 Pkol wrote: Honestly, the best way for the foreigners to improve is to play against the Koreans as much as possible. A korean won MLG, good, the forgiven scene needs to get angry, train hard and seek revenge at Anaheim. STORYLINES PEOPLE, STORYLINES! Well, a single Bo3 roughly once a month for half the year isn't "as much as possible" but yes, that would be best. I wonder if some sort of practice partner agreement could be setup. But I don't know if it would be successful due to latency. Hmm. | ||
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imareaver3
United States906 Posts
Yes + Show Spoiler + Slush won. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:11 Azarkon wrote: The thing is, there is still value and interest in knowing who the best players of each region are. IdrA wouldn't have nearly as many fans if people didn't recognize him as the best NA Zerg. Yet, if you only watched games where IdrA gets stomped by Koreans, that'd never become apparent and he'd be just another foreigner Zerg. You can figure out who are the best players from a region even if Koreans are there. For example, one can deduce that Naniwa and Idra are the best foreigners given the results of this MLG. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:00 EternaL_9 wrote: no hes a Korean and will always be a korean. we aren't going to watch his stream everyday, here interviews all the time, and watch him on SOTG. no. Stop being ridiculous. First, you say language is the problem and then when someone refutes it, you go on to say "no hes a Korean and will always be a korean". MC and a few other Koreans actually provide interviews all the time if you're following TL's SC2 forums. They do stream occasionally as well by request (often specifically for the foreign community), but the main reason they don't stream as much is that they don't like their 1st person view play being so widely available and scrutinized by their potential opponents. You are for some reason simply bitter and jealous. That's why you don't like the Koreans. | ||
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Murfshake
46 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:15 DamageControL wrote: If it doesn't the foreign scene will fall further and further behind....sigh. tbh I think the foreigners who will actually use this as a measuring stick are already pretty close. I feel like soon enough we're going to see a divided foreign scene as well, those who compete internationally and those who can't. I won't single out any player who I believe will be on the "can't" side but players like Tzain, Nani, Idra, Ret, Jinro, Huk, (ik the last 2 weren't at MLG) ect will all use this as a REALLY important learning experience and come into aneheim looking for blood. | ||
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skullhoof
Korea (North)835 Posts
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VenerableSpace
United States463 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:17 Cuiu wrote: i would love to see foreigners win but i want to see them win over a korean i mean take the koreans ot of the mlg columbus and we would have just a normal tournament but with them we had the chance to experienced the best story's in the sc2 esport history i don't care about the na/eu players i want to be entertained and when thy lose bad for them but this is not my problem train harder,don´t gg to early,don´t brake your hands etc.^^ agree, without the koreans mlg wouldnt nearly have as good storylines, drama or high quality games. im pretty confident in the foreign sceen that the gap wont get any wider and that the top notch foreigners will be able to compete with top koreans in teh future and maybe even lessen the gap as starcraft is blowing up. | ||
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Sangyerians
Australia248 Posts
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cryL
Australia77 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:15 JoeSchmoe wrote: yeah lets all make excuses. MC says he was jet lagged day 1 blah blah no one cares. at the end of the day u look at the results and it says MC > Idra. Well if you want to take that approach, at the end of the day MC == Idra. They took the same number of games from each other in the tournament. I'm not fussed either way, they both got axed. Just saying your logic is flawed. | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:18 Stratos_speAr wrote: It will either way. The only way it wont is if foreigners suck it up and continue to challenge and face Koreans head on. Any other result will lead to the western scene falling. You can't ever reach the best if you don't face people that are better than you, so any kind of separation from the Korean scene is helping to widen the skill gap. i wonder how long it will take foreigners to relize that you dont go to korea to get rich. You go to korea to get good. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:19 AndAgain wrote: You can figure out who are the best players from a region even if Koreans are there. For example, one can deduce that Naniwa and Idra are the best foreigners given the results of this MLG. Not as much as you would be able to if you ran a foreigner tournament, since a lot of foreigners would have been knocked out by Koreans without ever getting the chance to play each other. For example, we never saw a Naniwa vs. IdrA game - so who is the better player between them? In a foreigner tournament they'd likely be the two finalists (along with Thorzain). | ||
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