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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
On May 22 2011 13:36 Xxavi wrote: Can anybody tell me why not use HTs in PvP? It was used a lot vs reavers in BroodWar Colossi are just better, that's pretty much it. P units have a lot of hit points. | ||
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Clog
United States950 Posts
On May 22 2011 13:36 s4life wrote: This. fp has HasuObs winning but it doesn't seem to be that way judging from comments Yeah OP is incorrect | ||
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Isaac
United States810 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 22 2011 13:36 Kazang wrote: Why stargates are so rare in late game pvp is kind of confusing to me. Stalkers get fried so fast against that many colossus one would think having a least a few voidrays would make a huge difference. Will be interesting to see how it plays out long term if it will be viable or not. Making a star gate switch is dangerous in PvP because it's a hefty investment and opens up a timing for your opponent to attack you. PvP has so little defender's advantage that if you're behind on just a handful of supply, you could lose the battle and then the game. | ||
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Flytothesky
United States591 Posts
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
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pieman819
Australia457 Posts
On May 22 2011 13:36 Xxavi wrote: Can anybody tell me why not use HTs in PvP? It was used a lot vs reavers in BroodWar The protoss units aregenerally bigger HP than terran/Zerg and most times you will be against blink stalker that take almost nothing from the storm when they escape and or charge zealot that if you want to storm them you will hit your own units aswell. At least thats how i see it. | ||
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Mike15xp
United States595 Posts
THERE IS NO PROBLEM | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
On May 22 2011 13:31 Mailing wrote: He had 30 more supply at one point and hasu had better ups. MC was behind. Colossus won, archons lost. Control won, and poorer control lost. It at least would have been a more even battle if Hasu spread out as iNcontroL suggested. Well he suggested Hasu winning, but even coming out even Hasu had better economy. Regardless, I'm glad MC won. Love him or hate him, it's just more interesting with MC around (<3) On May 22 2011 13:38 sjschmidt93 wrote: Colossi are just better, that's pretty much it. P units have a lot of hit points. Actually that got me thinking. Those + armor upgrades didn't really do that much when you have 32-40 supply in Archons. It's still better to have them for your Zealots, Stalkers, and Colossi, but perhaps MC only upgrading attack was the most efficient thing he could do, more corner cutting while behind. I think if he spent that money on a second forge and armor in that game, he might have lost the necessary critical mass to win the battles he needed, due to fewer units and the relative weakness of armor upgrades against attack upgraded colossi. | ||
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Clog
United States950 Posts
On May 22 2011 13:38 pieman819 wrote: The protoss units aregenerally bigger HP than terran/Zerg and most times you will be against blink stalker that take almost nothing from the storm when they escape and or charge zealot that if you want to storm them you will hit your own units aswell. At least thats how i see it. Yeah, especially with shields, its very easy to avoid any meaningful damage from storms as protoss | ||
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MrProb
Thailand794 Posts
On May 22 2011 13:38 Kommander wrote: Those DTs from MC won him the game IMO. part of the reasons yea | ||
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On May 22 2011 13:38 sjschmidt93 wrote: Colossi are just better, that's pretty much it. P units have a lot of hit points. Also note that colossus are much, much more efficient than the reaver was in many battle situations because they are far less vulnerable to sniping and don't require extensive micro in order to attack effectively. Plus storm is a lot weaker. | ||
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
On May 22 2011 13:38 pieman819 wrote: The protoss units aregenerally bigger HP than terran/Zerg and most times you will be against blink stalker that take almost nothing from the storm when they escape and or charge zealot that if you want to storm them you will hit your own units aswell. At least thats how i see it. Good point, but I mean what if you storm Colossi? | ||
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Pajegetc
United States3158 Posts
On May 22 2011 13:38 pieman819 wrote: The protoss units aregenerally bigger HP than terran/Zerg and most times you will be against blink stalker that take almost nothing from the storm when they escape and or charge zealot that if you want to storm them you will hit your own units aswell. At least thats how i see it. I've seen HT be very effectively in late game PvP against heavy Void Ray/Colossus Comps and Harass. Game was Huk vs some Korean Protoss. Huk won. | ||
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SuperYo1000
United States880 Posts
On May 22 2011 13:41 Pajegetc wrote: I've seen HT be very effectively in late game PvP against heavy Void Ray/Colossus Comps and Harass. Game was Huk vs some Korean Protoss. Huk won. they can but you need a ton of hts I believe......just so you blanket the entire enemy army. Having 2 or 3 storms is kinda worthless in pvp (unlike verse terran or zerg) you need like 6-8 storms to be cost effective | ||
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Cryhavoc
372 Posts
On May 22 2011 13:40 sjschmidt93 wrote: I would imagine PvP late game will get more figured out soon. So few PvPs actually go that long that I'm sure not a lot of pros actually know what to do. Hopefully that'll become the standard PvP with time and tech switches and unit comps will be better. well PvP end game is colossi maybe you can w8 MS but too risky carriers totally useless, voidrays if you can make the timing you ll win | ||
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ForeverSleep
Canada920 Posts
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