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Hoffburger
Profile Joined May 2011
19 Posts
May 22 2011 04:32 GMT
#941
Glad they fixed the balance on the audio, but the cheesy as hell music at the end of every map has to go. It's out of place, feels like they are trying too hard and are just shoving it in there because some other tournament does it, and goes over the casters' voices (which is a plus if Gretorp is talking IMO, sorry to Gretorp, but I don't like his casting at all and don't feel like he is qualified to be casting NASL).

Oh and also, gg hero DTs.
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
May 22 2011 04:33 GMT
#942
MC also had a HUGE spread on his colossi and Hasu had his bunched up. Splash damage played a massive role in that last engagement.
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HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 22 2011 04:33 GMT
#943
Archons CAN win in PvP if your opponent went Colossus/Chargelot (I believe oGsHero vs ST_Squirtle in the GSTL illustrated this)
MrProb
Profile Joined January 2011
Thailand794 Posts
May 22 2011 04:33 GMT
#944
sums up : DTs down Hasuobs 3rd base

MC had more Colossis

MC had better unit compositions

Hasu had better upgrades (2W 2A vs. 2W)

MC was behind a bit in supply
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-22 04:34:27
May 22 2011 04:33 GMT
#945
as much as people want to and do hate on mc, he is a fantastic player... I hope he becomes the new boxer cheesing him way to so many victories you can hate him but at the same time he's maybe not the best in the world... oh by TLO attack was the most fun i've had in awhile, if this was a weekly event i would ABSOLUTELY be there online for some more fun....


btw lets go ret... he is the fucking man. I LOVE SC2

i edited to not look like a dick head TL is the NUMBER 1 SITE FOR ANYTHING SC2!!!!!!!
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-22 04:33:49
May 22 2011 04:33 GMT
#946
On May 22 2011 13:31 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 13:30 Nevuk wrote:
On May 22 2011 13:29 Kiarip wrote:
On May 22 2011 13:29 Nevuk wrote:
ok so mc was never behind. he was behind if hasu noticed his totally undefended third.. which he didn't.

MC was behind...

hasuobs had shitty unit comp

He was always up a base. When hasu had a 4th going up his 3rd's nexus was killed. Hasuobs was 2base to MC's 3 base for like... the entire game.

Hasu also had like 14 more probes. So MC's army was larger than the supplies indicated.


He had 30 more supply at one point and hasu had better ups.

MC was behind.

Colossus won, archons lost.

Correct this to being behind by 16 supply, taking probes into account... at like 120 - 140 values. I really don't think Hasu was ever even slightly ahead.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
May 22 2011 04:33 GMT
#947
On May 22 2011 13:31 Pajegetc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 13:29 Elefanto wrote:
hasu needed to build immortals vs that many colossus D:


Nah, he needed to switch to Stargate tech


HasuObs didn't "need" to do anything except keep pumping colossus and attack once he reached 200 supply with a slightly better (thanks to armo) upgraded force. He would have slammed in ahead even after that base snipe. I have no idea why he didn't.
Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
May 22 2011 04:34 GMT
#948
On May 22 2011 13:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 13:31 Pajegetc wrote:
On May 22 2011 13:29 Elefanto wrote:
hasu needed to build immortals vs that many colossus D:


Nah, he needed to switch to Stargate tech

What do you suggest? Switching to 0-0 air tech vs mass colossus and blink stalkers with +3 attack? The tech switch would have taken too long to get the right upgrades. Hasu should have had a second robo a long time ago and shouldn't have lost that nexus to 2 DTs.


Last time I checked, Colossus don't attack air units...so upgrades are irrelevant and the stalkers melt to colossus/void ray.
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
Clog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States950 Posts
May 22 2011 04:34 GMT
#949
On May 22 2011 13:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 13:31 Pajegetc wrote:
On May 22 2011 13:29 Elefanto wrote:
hasu needed to build immortals vs that many colossus D:


Nah, he needed to switch to Stargate tech

What do you suggest? Switching to 0-0 air tech vs mass colossus and blink stalkers with +3 attack? The tech switch would have taken too long to get the right upgrades. Hasu should have had a second robo a long time ago and shouldn't have lost that nexus to 2 DTs.


MC didn't have that many blink stalkers...

A stargate tech switch could have definitely worked well if performed correctly, although the behind-in-upgrades point is still valid.
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garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
May 22 2011 04:34 GMT
#950
You forgot IdrA, Geoff.
#TeamBuLba
pieman819
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia457 Posts
May 22 2011 04:34 GMT
#951
Did he forget Idra? or did I miss that.
Hi
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
May 22 2011 04:34 GMT
#952
On May 22 2011 13:33 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 13:31 Mailing wrote:
On May 22 2011 13:30 Nevuk wrote:
On May 22 2011 13:29 Kiarip wrote:
On May 22 2011 13:29 Nevuk wrote:
ok so mc was never behind. he was behind if hasu noticed his totally undefended third.. which he didn't.

MC was behind...

hasuobs had shitty unit comp

He was always up a base. When hasu had a 4th going up his 3rd's nexus was killed. Hasuobs was 2base to MC's 3 base for like... the entire game.

Hasu also had like 14 more probes. So MC's army was larger than the supplies indicated.


He had 30 more supply at one point and hasu had better ups.

MC was behind.

Colossus won, archons lost.

Correct this to being behind by 16 supply, taking probes into account... at like 120 - 140 values. I really don't think Hasu was ever even slightly ahead.


Hasuobs was ahead, very much ahead right before those DTs... I swear those DTs were the best decision ever to grace a PvP
SuperYo1000
Profile Joined July 2008
United States880 Posts
May 22 2011 04:35 GMT
#953
i dont think you can afford to mass BOTH archons and Colossi on 3 base...too much gas. If you have 4 bases i think its more viable. Then the engagement went all wrong for hasu. I dont think its all about colossi still...just protoss have to figure out the correct transitions
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
May 22 2011 04:35 GMT
#954
That was a great game from MC, yay!
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
May 22 2011 04:36 GMT
#955
Can anybody tell me why not use HTs in PvP? It was used a lot vs reavers in BroodWar
Kazang
Profile Joined August 2010
578 Posts
May 22 2011 04:36 GMT
#956
On May 22 2011 13:31 Pajegetc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 13:29 Elefanto wrote:
hasu needed to build immortals vs that many colossus D:


Nah, he needed to switch to Stargate tech


Why stargates are so rare in late game pvp is kind of confusing to me.

Stalkers get fried so fast against that many colossus one would think having a least a few voidrays would make a huge difference.
Will be interesting to see how it plays out long term if it will be viable or not.
caster0123
Profile Joined October 2010
324 Posts
May 22 2011 04:36 GMT
#957
when your opponent got like 12 collosus, those archons and zealot just died before they even get a hit off
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
May 22 2011 04:36 GMT
#958
On May 22 2011 13:32 Maskedsatyr wrote:
Who won?


This. fp has HasuObs winning but it doesn't seem to be that way judging from comments
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
May 22 2011 04:37 GMT
#959
On May 22 2011 13:36 s4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 13:32 Maskedsatyr wrote:
Who won?


This. fp has HasuObs winning but it doesn't seem to be that way judging from comments

Hasu g1
MC g2
MC g3

MC 2-1 Hasu
#TeamBuLba
instant
Profile Joined July 2010
84 Posts
May 22 2011 04:37 GMT
#960
On May 22 2011 13:36 s4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 13:32 Maskedsatyr wrote:
Who won?


This. fp has HasuObs winning but it doesn't seem to be that way judging from comments


MC 2-1
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