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Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
May 14 2011 20:30 GMT
#1441
After seeing 5 games of HasuObs I'm starting to miss MC's/Naniwa's abusive playstyles.
nymfaw
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway430 Posts
May 14 2011 20:30 GMT
#1442
hasuobs is obiously really good.. but it seems to me that he is relying on Colossus and templar to win him games every time instead of opening with a solid upgraded gateway army which imo is the way to go vs T
Everything will be ok in the end. if it's not ok, its not the end.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
May 14 2011 20:30 GMT
#1443
On May 15 2011 05:28 Lorizean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 05:24 Chainfire99 wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:22 da_head wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:21 Chainfire99 wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:18 Lorizean wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:16 Chainfire99 wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:13 iNbluE wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:11 Chainfire99 wrote:
I am not whining about balance just foolish people who ignore vikings/medivacs/ and ghosts and label terran armies as just t1.


Vikings are tier zero when facing gateway units


You need a barrack, factory, then a starport therefore medivacs and vikings are t3 technically speaking.


I've personally never been to comfortable with the tiers in Starcraft. In WC3 it was pretty easy to classify builds by main building tiers, but in sc thats only possible with Zerg. I mean, yeah, technically medivacs are t3, but are they comparable (in tier) to ultras/broods? I think not...



True it could be argued that although technically vikings/medivacs are t3...they are weaker compared to other races' t3 units (outside of thors and bc's which are useless in certain match ups). I just wish thors didn't have soo much energy...so that HT feedback wouldn't outright rape them and that BC's were easier to transition into. But regardless PvT is pretty balanced...just requires Terran to do a lot of efficient drops.

ultras and broods are tier 3.5, not tier 3. (require hive and greater spire/ultra cavern)



And bc's are tier 4: barrack/factory/starport/fusion core



Thinking about it... Pool/Lair/Infestation/Hive/Cavern ... Ultras are T5
Pool/Lair/Spire/Infestation/Hive/Greater Spire... Broods are T6.

I just think the usage of the whole tier-thing in starcraft is not very well defined.


Plus he forgot tech lab for BCs so they're T5 too. Yeah, it's a pretty arbitrary and stupid system...
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 14 2011 20:30 GMT
#1444
On May 15 2011 05:29 garlicface wrote:
The future of this match up is really exciting. I feel like Ps might try to incorporate warp prisms to keep their caster energy intact from EMPs. They've got to figure out a way to lessen the severity of ghosts.


plenty of players already do that

the problem is 1.) it's harder to micro
and 2.) when ur opponent has buncha vikings u can lose 3-4 templars and warp prism to one or two volleys
ridonkulous
Profile Joined May 2011
159 Posts
May 14 2011 20:30 GMT
#1445
On May 15 2011 05:29 da_head wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 05:24 Chainfire99 wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:22 da_head wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:21 Chainfire99 wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:18 Lorizean wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:16 Chainfire99 wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:13 iNbluE wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:11 Chainfire99 wrote:
I am not whining about balance just foolish people who ignore vikings/medivacs/ and ghosts and label terran armies as just t1.


Vikings are tier zero when facing gateway units


You need a barrack, factory, then a starport therefore medivacs and vikings are t3 technically speaking.


I've personally never been to comfortable with the tiers in Starcraft. In WC3 it was pretty easy to classify builds by main building tiers, but in sc thats only possible with Zerg. I mean, yeah, technically medivacs are t3, but are they comparable (in tier) to ultras/broods? I think not...



True it could be argued that although technically vikings/medivacs are t3...they are weaker compared to other races' t3 units (outside of thors and bc's which are useless in certain match ups). I just wish thors didn't have soo much energy...so that HT feedback wouldn't outright rape them and that BC's were easier to transition into. But regardless PvT is pretty balanced...just requires Terran to do a lot of efficient drops.

ultras and broods are tier 3.5, not tier 3. (require hive and greater spire/ultra cavern)



And bc's are tier 4: barrack/factory/starport/fusion core

there is no tier 4 in starcraft. its still classified as tier 3.


theres is NO tiers in starcraft and never was
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2598 Posts
May 14 2011 20:30 GMT
#1446
Nexus, probe, probe, probe, pylon, probe, probe, probe, zealot. Zealots are tier 8.
The frumious Bandersnatch
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
May 14 2011 20:30 GMT
#1447
On May 15 2011 05:29 figq wrote:
Husky calculates: "that means we're gonna see 1 more game -or- 2 more games" :D

dang, is he a math major?
Pehbeh
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany57 Posts
May 14 2011 20:30 GMT
#1448
51/50 poll is interesting tho.

clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
May 14 2011 20:31 GMT
#1449
Please cheese now Hasu!

Something like 2gate proxy or 3gate voidray, just something different
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
May 14 2011 20:31 GMT
#1450
Feels like Kas is the better player through midgame with decision making, timings, and general macro. If Hasu can survive into lategame without being too far down he's got a better sense of how he wants to be transitioning between unit comps to take advantage of what Kas has been doing.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
May 14 2011 20:31 GMT
#1451
On May 15 2011 05:29 da_head wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 05:24 Chainfire99 wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:22 da_head wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:21 Chainfire99 wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:18 Lorizean wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:16 Chainfire99 wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:13 iNbluE wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:11 Chainfire99 wrote:
I am not whining about balance just foolish people who ignore vikings/medivacs/ and ghosts and label terran armies as just t1.


Vikings are tier zero when facing gateway units


You need a barrack, factory, then a starport therefore medivacs and vikings are t3 technically speaking.


I've personally never been to comfortable with the tiers in Starcraft. In WC3 it was pretty easy to classify builds by main building tiers, but in sc thats only possible with Zerg. I mean, yeah, technically medivacs are t3, but are they comparable (in tier) to ultras/broods? I think not...



True it could be argued that although technically vikings/medivacs are t3...they are weaker compared to other races' t3 units (outside of thors and bc's which are useless in certain match ups). I just wish thors didn't have soo much energy...so that HT feedback wouldn't outright rape them and that BC's were easier to transition into. But regardless PvT is pretty balanced...just requires Terran to do a lot of efficient drops.

ultras and broods are tier 3.5, not tier 3. (require hive and greater spire/ultra cavern)



And bc's are tier 4: barrack/factory/starport/fusion core

there is no tier 4 in starcraft. its still classified as tier 3.

uhh basically when you require an extra building after getting to the "tier" i.e battlecruisers need more than just a tech lab to build its essentially another tier
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
May 14 2011 20:31 GMT
#1452
On May 15 2011 05:30 ShogunSeppuku wrote:
Cmon Hasuobs you sexy bastard. You can win this! Just go mass carriers. You know he's going marauders! It's fool-proof!


Carriers would be awesome

But I doubt we will see them
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2014 Posts
May 14 2011 20:31 GMT
#1453
If its close air, i cant see hasu winning. He has no asnerwers for Kas' drops
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
TranceStorm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
1616 Posts
May 14 2011 20:31 GMT
#1454
On May 15 2011 05:29 garlicface wrote:
The future of this match up is really exciting. I feel like Ps might try to incorporate warp prisms to keep their caster energy intact from EMPs. They've got to figure out a way to lessen the severity of ghosts.

Hmm that does seem a bit too micro-intensive though considering that you have to position the army, micro the warp prism and ht all at the same time. If someone pulls that off it'll be really impressive, but I don't think its very likely.
Mehukannu
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland421 Posts
May 14 2011 20:31 GMT
#1455
Why terran can't just have separate tiers for barracks, factory and starport, like ghost would be tier 3 in barracks, thor would be tier 3 in factory and cattlecruiser would be tier 3 in starport. :o
C=('. ' Q)
Deserex
Profile Joined November 2010
United States317 Posts
May 14 2011 20:31 GMT
#1456
Hmmm I feel meta favors Kas style.
"If you can chill, chill." - Liquid'Nony
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 20:32:19
May 14 2011 20:31 GMT
#1457
+ Show Spoiler +
kas wins this one.
husky just blew it
blowfish
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria238 Posts
May 14 2011 20:32 GMT
#1458
did he just spoil it omg Huskeyyyyyy :D
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
May 14 2011 20:32 GMT
#1459
WHAT HUSKY SPOILER?
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
May 14 2011 20:32 GMT
#1460
On May 15 2011 05:30 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 05:29 garlicface wrote:
The future of this match up is really exciting. I feel like Ps might try to incorporate warp prisms to keep their caster energy intact from EMPs. They've got to figure out a way to lessen the severity of ghosts.


plenty of players already do that

the problem is 1.) it's harder to micro
and 2.) when ur opponent has buncha vikings u can lose 3-4 templars and warp prism to one or two volleys

that depends on the meta game.. why would they build vikings if you arent building collossi?
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