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On May 15 2011 05:27 mdma-_- wrote: awesome games :D its already been 2,5 hours. kinda nice to see no cheese at all haha
You're totally jinxing it, cheese is totally inc.
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On May 15 2011 05:24 Chainfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 05:22 da_head wrote:On May 15 2011 05:21 Chainfire99 wrote:On May 15 2011 05:18 Lorizean wrote:On May 15 2011 05:16 Chainfire99 wrote:On May 15 2011 05:13 iNbluE wrote:On May 15 2011 05:11 Chainfire99 wrote: I am not whining about balance just foolish people who ignore vikings/medivacs/ and ghosts and label terran armies as just t1. Vikings are tier zero when facing gateway units  You need a barrack, factory, then a starport therefore medivacs and vikings are t3 technically speaking. I've personally never been to comfortable with the tiers in Starcraft. In WC3 it was pretty easy to classify builds by main building tiers, but in sc thats only possible with Zerg. I mean, yeah, technically medivacs are t3, but are they comparable (in tier) to ultras/broods? I think not... True it could be argued that although technically vikings/medivacs are t3...they are weaker compared to other races' t3 units (outside of thors and bc's which are useless in certain match ups). I just wish thors didn't have soo much energy...so that HT feedback wouldn't outright rape them and that BC's were easier to transition into. But regardless PvT is pretty balanced...just requires Terran to do a lot of efficient drops. ultras and broods are tier 3.5, not tier 3. (require hive and greater spire/ultra cavern) And bc's are tier 4: barrack/factory/starport/fusion core
Thinking about it... Pool/Lair/Infestation/Hive/Cavern ... Ultras are T5 Pool/Lair/Spire/Infestation/Hive/Greater Spire... Broods are T6.
I just think the usage of the whole tier-thing in starcraft is not very well defined.
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On May 15 2011 05:24 Chainfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 05:22 da_head wrote:On May 15 2011 05:21 Chainfire99 wrote:On May 15 2011 05:18 Lorizean wrote:On May 15 2011 05:16 Chainfire99 wrote:On May 15 2011 05:13 iNbluE wrote:On May 15 2011 05:11 Chainfire99 wrote: I am not whining about balance just foolish people who ignore vikings/medivacs/ and ghosts and label terran armies as just t1. Vikings are tier zero when facing gateway units  You need a barrack, factory, then a starport therefore medivacs and vikings are t3 technically speaking. I've personally never been to comfortable with the tiers in Starcraft. In WC3 it was pretty easy to classify builds by main building tiers, but in sc thats only possible with Zerg. I mean, yeah, technically medivacs are t3, but are they comparable (in tier) to ultras/broods? I think not... True it could be argued that although technically vikings/medivacs are t3...they are weaker compared to other races' t3 units (outside of thors and bc's which are useless in certain match ups). I just wish thors didn't have soo much energy...so that HT feedback wouldn't outright rape them and that BC's were easier to transition into. But regardless PvT is pretty balanced...just requires Terran to do a lot of efficient drops. ultras and broods are tier 3.5, not tier 3. (require hive and greater spire/ultra cavern) And bc's are tier 4: barrack/factory/starport/fusion core there is no tier 4 in starcraft. its still classified as tier 3.
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Kas is an impressive player. Really fun to watch him, makes me want to play Terran.
HasuObs is really good also. This match is definitely better than GSL finals and my race isn't even playing
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The future of this match up is really exciting. I feel like Ps might try to incorporate warp prisms to keep their caster energy intact from EMPs. They've got to figure out a way to lessen the severity of ghosts.
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Husky calculates: "that means we're gonna see 1 more game -or- 2 more games" :D
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
50-50 poll is a bit surprising
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I get that the emps were good, but that game had been over for a good 8-10 mins.
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I actually want to see a cheese now

Just would prove them to be not totally one-sided players.
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After reading the article by intrigue, it really isn't a surprise this is the level of play we are getting for 3rd place. Neither player has tried out a different strat and the same mistakes are being played out over and over.
This isn't a whine about OP or not, but one can note how predominant ghosts are on the field now. Of any matchup they are the one unit that seem to come out only when toss is out. You don't see that selectivity with any other unit. We'll see how that plays out in this patch.
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On May 15 2011 05:28 jmbthirteen wrote: kas is definitely the better player. His multitasking amd decision making is way better than hasu.
Yes
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I want some cheese. Funny- find myself siding with hasu when I never really had a preference.
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On May 15 2011 05:28 Lorizean wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 05:24 Chainfire99 wrote:On May 15 2011 05:22 da_head wrote:On May 15 2011 05:21 Chainfire99 wrote:On May 15 2011 05:18 Lorizean wrote:On May 15 2011 05:16 Chainfire99 wrote:On May 15 2011 05:13 iNbluE wrote:On May 15 2011 05:11 Chainfire99 wrote: I am not whining about balance just foolish people who ignore vikings/medivacs/ and ghosts and label terran armies as just t1. Vikings are tier zero when facing gateway units  You need a barrack, factory, then a starport therefore medivacs and vikings are t3 technically speaking. I've personally never been to comfortable with the tiers in Starcraft. In WC3 it was pretty easy to classify builds by main building tiers, but in sc thats only possible with Zerg. I mean, yeah, technically medivacs are t3, but are they comparable (in tier) to ultras/broods? I think not... True it could be argued that although technically vikings/medivacs are t3...they are weaker compared to other races' t3 units (outside of thors and bc's which are useless in certain match ups). I just wish thors didn't have soo much energy...so that HT feedback wouldn't outright rape them and that BC's were easier to transition into. But regardless PvT is pretty balanced...just requires Terran to do a lot of efficient drops. ultras and broods are tier 3.5, not tier 3. (require hive and greater spire/ultra cavern) And bc's are tier 4: barrack/factory/starport/fusion core Thinking about it... Pool/Lair/Infestation/Hive/Cavern ... Ultras are T5 Pool/Lair/Spire/Infestation/Hive/Greater Spire... Broods are T6. I just think the usage of the whole tier-thing in starcraft is not very well defined. hatchery tech=tier 1 lair tech= tier 2 hive tech= tier 3
no need to over complicate it. there are minor divisions within each tier, but that's the gist of it.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
5th map will be metapolis
Series is 3-2 to kas
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Cmon Hasuobs you sexy bastard. You can win this! Just go mass carriers. You know he's going marauders! It's fool-proof!
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I wonder why a lot of pros don't go raven/banshee in TvP?
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On May 15 2011 05:28 ComTrav wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 05:27 mdma-_- wrote: awesome games :D its already been 2,5 hours. kinda nice to see no cheese at all haha You're totally jinxing it, cheese is totally inc.
Highly doubt any two of these players will cheese ^_^
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On May 15 2011 05:27 nihlon wrote: I think all of the games have been entertaining/interesting. I don't get where all the negativity comes from.
negativity is part of life.
its kind of like if a company wants to keep a secret, then the secret will probably get out anyways. so its just part of life to expect those kind of things to happen.
its unfortunate but also naive to not expect it to happen.
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