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oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2905 Posts
May 12 2011 01:26 GMT
#321
Yay, stream is back. ^^
말크 : ^_^~ NeO)GabuAt, vGODieN
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
May 12 2011 01:26 GMT
#322
On May 12 2011 10:25 Steel wrote:
I think people are mad over the fact that Protoss can expand before Zerg, which is understandable.

Zerg can block expos too. Maybe they need to start doing that :D
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
May 12 2011 01:27 GMT
#323
On May 12 2011 10:19 dunc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 10:13 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:11 dunc wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:09 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:08 dunc wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:06 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:05 dunc wrote:
18 Nexus.. very abusive.

Jesus, can we at least keep idiotic balance stuff out of casting please. Kiwikaki is a very good player, he's not "abusive".



.....Are you serious?


Yes, I'm serious.



Abusive doesn't equal imbalance, christ. It means you do something designed to do tons of damage if your oppenent doesn't react correctly.


I know what abusive is, christ. How does 18 nexus fall under that category? It doesn't. Idra just loves calling every single Protoss in the world abusive.

He's good at casting but it would be better if they wouldn't let him cast Protoss.



Because it gives you a huge early economy and quick tech? Were you not listening at all?


I have no idea why I bother arguing with one of the biggest Idra fanboys but no. That's not the case.

Honestly if you want to put stuff in perspective like that every single build in Starcraft 2 is abusive. It's such a fucking retarded way to describe things. I guess he should have 4gated but that would have been abusive too. 3gate sentry expand is abusive too.


It's just a matter of definition. Every race has its "cheap" strategies that can be very good if you fail to react to them nearly perfectly, and that's one definition of abusive I guess. I also tend to think of abusive builds as builds that take a concept to an extreme, if that makes any sense.

Like in Brood war, if you watched the game between Jaedong and reality in MSL, reality's build went: 8 rax bunker rush --> vulture rush --> cloak wraith ---> mm with valkyrie push. That's a pretty abusive build, not only does it require nearly perfect reaction from the Zerg, it's not even all in if all of those are held off because the Zerg is guarenteed to lose some stuff in the process of defending (especially an 8 rax, its almost impossible to not lose a drone and a ton of mining time). That and it takes harass to an extreme, basically combining every annoying and effective harass build into one.

It's such a subjective opinion though, I don't really see the purpose in arguing it and I don't understand why you're getting so worked up over a definition oO
Dodge arrows
Seam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
May 12 2011 01:27 GMT
#324
On May 12 2011 10:24 Pekkz wrote:
Jesus christ. Cant there just be one friggin night without lagg or dead streams


This is only like the second time I've seen it crash o.O
I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok. - Liquid`Tyler
vojnik
Profile Joined October 2010
Macedonia923 Posts
May 12 2011 01:27 GMT
#325
i cant beleve i am paying for this shit, 5 nights with freezes, lag and what not 1 night of which half of it is decent, after so much criticism you would have tought they fixed it by now, they should be ashamed to charging ppl money for this kind of bad service, wether it is NASL or justing i dont care, i am the one the paid for it and dont get quality service in return.
For the swarm!
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
May 12 2011 01:27 GMT
#326
On May 12 2011 10:26 Maliris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 10:25 Slayth wrote:
God I hope this game is worth it :<

In the meantime, eagles ! http://www.ustream.tv/decoraheagles

Fuck yeah eagles!


Omg, the eagles have commercials? I don't remember commercials for the eagles...
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
May 12 2011 01:27 GMT
#327
On May 12 2011 10:26 Maliris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 10:25 Slayth wrote:
God I hope this game is worth it :<

In the meantime, eagles ! http://www.ustream.tv/decoraheagles

Fuck yeah eagles!


He's ripping apart a fish atm and feeding it to the babies.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Darclite
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1021 Posts
May 12 2011 01:27 GMT
#328
On May 12 2011 10:25 AimForTheBushes wrote:
In the upper right, Olive Garden goes a gas-heavy 4 cheese pastachetti build..bottom left zerg sees the cheese coming and counters with the standard stream-muting. (Still down for me..kinda..just a frozen picture of a game)


haha that's great dude, seen that commercial five times now.

Eh, the first time I've seen in a while that it screwed up this much, I'm not gonna complain. Just wish it wasn't during a Sheth game
They're fools. You should eat them.
Slayth
Profile Joined November 2010
United States325 Posts
May 12 2011 01:27 GMT
#329
On May 12 2011 10:26 Irave wrote:
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On May 12 2011 10:25 ellirc wrote:
JTV at its prime..........

The Eg Stream is running really smooth, I'm not sure whats causing the hiccups for the NASL.


And the EG stream looks much better, minus the quality. FPS is much better and runs much more smooth :/, must be xsplit for NASL. Not hating on Xsplit, but there are fixes for the issues of it not running right
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Jman5
Profile Joined September 2010
United States745 Posts
May 12 2011 01:27 GMT
#330
Stop fidgeting with it!
crawlingchaos
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2025 Posts
May 12 2011 01:27 GMT
#331
LOL, stream crashed for just the perfect amount of time to see Select all in Axslav.
They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you've gotta ride it well, the world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams, it's heaven and hell, oh well.
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
May 12 2011 01:27 GMT
#332
On May 12 2011 10:26 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 10:25 Steel wrote:
I think people are mad over the fact that Protoss can expand before Zerg, which is understandable.

Zerg can block expos too. Maybe they need to start doing that :D


Lol maybe if TLO still played Zerg we'd see the infamous hatchery nexus block
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 12 2011 01:28 GMT
#333
On May 12 2011 10:25 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 10:21 Geniuszerg wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:19 dunc wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:13 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:11 dunc wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:09 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:08 dunc wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:06 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:05 dunc wrote:
18 Nexus.. very abusive.

Jesus, can we at least keep idiotic balance stuff out of casting please. Kiwikaki is a very good player, he's not "abusive".



.....Are you serious?


Yes, I'm serious.



Abusive doesn't equal imbalance, christ. It means you do something designed to do tons of damage if your oppenent doesn't react correctly.


I know what abusive is, christ. How does 18 nexus fall under that category? It doesn't. Idra just loves calling every single Protoss in the world abusive.

He's good at casting but it would be better if they wouldn't let him cast Protoss.



Because it gives you a huge early economy and quick tech? Were you not listening at all?


I have no idea why I bother arguing with one of the biggest Idra fanboys but no. That's not the case.

Honestly if you want to put stuff in perspective like that every single build in Starcraft 2 is abusive. It's such a fucking retarded way to describe things. I guess he should have 4gated but that would have been abusive too. 3gate sentry expand is abusive too.

abusive in this situation is referring to the fact that you're abusing the general knowledge that most zergs wont build a lot of early lings, and because of that you can get a more econ nexus first build, its not abusing the race being played, its abusing the race played against


I feel like it's just a stupid word to use, also I've never heard IdrA use the word abusive in regards to a Zerg player. Abusing a strategy is one thing, that's how the game is supposed to be fucking played, so what is an abusive player? One who uses strategies that counter other strategies?

Why not just say "tactical" or "strategic" or "smart"...

Abusive sounds like they're taking advantage of something unfair when used for a player.


Exactly. Everything people describe as "abusive" could also be "tactical", "strategic", or "smart", words which indeed do have a perfect place to describe a strategy game. The need some people feel to use "abusive" for certain strategies is the dumb part.
sAKecOkE
Profile Joined May 2010
Ireland128 Posts
May 12 2011 01:29 GMT
#334
On May 12 2011 10:24 dunc wrote:
Abusive is a word thrown around by idiots who love whining about the most ridiculousn stuff.


Highlighted that part for you for some self reflection, seeing as you have been using this thread for several posts now for some whining of your own ^_^
Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
May 12 2011 01:30 GMT
#335
it would be nice to rewind the recording for the missing ~10 minutes.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
May 12 2011 01:30 GMT
#336
Sheth moving in with three overlords filled with roaches, and gets sniped in Kiwis main.
dunc
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1105 Posts
May 12 2011 01:30 GMT
#337
On May 12 2011 10:27 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 10:19 dunc wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:13 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:11 dunc wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:09 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:08 dunc wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:06 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:05 dunc wrote:
18 Nexus.. very abusive.

Jesus, can we at least keep idiotic balance stuff out of casting please. Kiwikaki is a very good player, he's not "abusive".



.....Are you serious?


Yes, I'm serious.



Abusive doesn't equal imbalance, christ. It means you do something designed to do tons of damage if your oppenent doesn't react correctly.


I know what abusive is, christ. How does 18 nexus fall under that category? It doesn't. Idra just loves calling every single Protoss in the world abusive.

He's good at casting but it would be better if they wouldn't let him cast Protoss.



Because it gives you a huge early economy and quick tech? Were you not listening at all?


I have no idea why I bother arguing with one of the biggest Idra fanboys but no. That's not the case.

Honestly if you want to put stuff in perspective like that every single build in Starcraft 2 is abusive. It's such a fucking retarded way to describe things. I guess he should have 4gated but that would have been abusive too. 3gate sentry expand is abusive too.


It's such a subjective opinion though, I don't really see the purpose in arguing it and I don't understand why you're getting so worked up over a definition oO


It got kind of out of hand I guess, I just dislike people throwing around abusive all the time and commenting on it made people jump on it. I'll stop now.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 12 2011 01:30 GMT
#338
Kiwi....what was that
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
May 12 2011 01:31 GMT
#339
Damn,,back to normal 480 resolution.. I guess they resetted the stream on purpose as it was a mistake to give 1080 to everyone.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45006 Posts
May 12 2011 01:31 GMT
#340
Well I wish I knew what happened in this game -.-'

They say they pause it but it takes a full minute for the notification/ refresh/ commercial to kick in. And then Sheth is ahead. Okay. lol
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