On May 12 2011 10:05 dunc wrote: 18 Nexus.. very abusive.
Jesus, can we at least keep idiotic balance stuff out of casting please. Kiwikaki is a very good player, he's not "abusive".
.....Are you serious?
Yes, I'm serious.
Abusive doesn't equal imbalance, christ. It means you do something designed to do tons of damage if your oppenent doesn't react correctly.
I know what abusive is, christ. How does 18 nexus fall under that category? It doesn't. Idra just loves calling every single Protoss in the world abusive.
He's good at casting but it would be better if they wouldn't let him cast Protoss.
Because it gives you a huge early economy and quick tech? Were you not listening at all?
I have no idea why I bother arguing with one of the biggest Idra fanboys but no. That's not the case.
Honestly if you want to put stuff in perspective like that every single build in Starcraft 2 is abusive. It's such a fucking retarded way to describe things. I guess he should have 4gated but that would have been abusive too. 3gate sentry expand is abusive too.
abusive in this situation is referring to the fact that you're abusing the general knowledge that most zergs wont build a lot of early lings, and because of that you can get a more econ nexus first build, its not abusing the race being played, its abusing the race played against
It's using the map to your advantage. Unlike what certain people think, 15 hatching every single game isn't how Starcraft 2 is meant to be played. It's a Real Time Strategy game, you use the map to your advantage. You use your opponent's build to your advantage.
There is nothing abusive about it. Abusive is a word thrown around by idiots love whining about the most ridiculousn stuff.
I have no idea why I bother arguing with one of the biggest Idra fanboys but no. That's not the case.
Honestly if you want to put stuff in perspective like that every single build in Starcraft 2 is abusive. It's such a fucking retarded way to describe things. I guess he should have 4gated but that would have been abusive too. 3gate sentry expand is abusive too.
It's not a retarded way to describe the situation at all. Abusive doesn't necessarily mean taking advantage of an imbalance or being overpowered. Idra used abusive to describe Kiwi's ability to get ahead in economy quickly. The fact that he waited for 2 more probes before fast expanding simply means that he can abuse Sheth's more standard build order by having a larger army more quickly than Sheth would have anticipated. Look up the word abuse or abusive in the dictionary if this nuance still escapes you.
Jesus, people on this forum need to grow up a bit and quit hanging on every single word that might be just a bit out of place in your opinion.
Anyone with common sense knows what he means when he says it is abusive. In the SC2 world it simply means just taking extreme advantage of a given situation or timing window. It doesn't mean imbalanced or overpowered because things become abusive given certain strategies.
If a zerg player over drones and is greedy, 4 gating is an abusive build for that. If a terran player has poor defense, a baneling bust might be an abusive build. It is just situational.
Everyone needs to grow up a bit. Also Idra is always been someone who is sarcastic and exaggerates greatly, understanding that helps to not freak out every time he says a sentence.