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Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
May 12 2011 01:24 GMT
#301
On May 12 2011 10:23 HolyArrow wrote:
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On May 12 2011 10:20 Mailing wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:19 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:18 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:16 HolyArrow wrote:
I personally hate the word "abusive" used to describe stuff in SC2. Its use really has no benefits, all it does is connote some sort of imbalance/cheapness when it's used to describe play. This game is about winning by any means possible. The word "abuse" has no place in a competitive game like SC2 where the rules are all defined by the game itself. The term "abusive style" just makes it sound like one player is bullying the other around in a dishonorable way, and paints a mental image of the "abused" player as some crying, whimpering, bruised individual, curled up in a corner somewhere. It's just a stupid word that's inappropriate for a competitive RTS, in my opinion.



Abusive can equal smart.

If my opennent double expands I can "abuse" that by doing a 4 gate.


Then use the word "smart". I don't why anyone would think "abusive" can be synonymous with "smart" - the words have completely different connotations.


18 nexus is "greedy"

2 bunkers on a zergs ramp = abusive

Both can be considered different forms of "smart"


What does abusive even mean? What is abusive and what isn't? Seems like a synonym for whining about exploiting perceived imbalances to me.


Because it might be?

Thor drop on old lost temple before roaches had 4 range was considered abusive as fuck. Not anymore, though.
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BleaK_
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway593 Posts
May 12 2011 01:24 GMT
#302
noooooes
crawlingchaos
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2025 Posts
May 12 2011 01:24 GMT
#303
Stream cannot withstand the constant stream of wisdom from the Encyclopedia Grackannica D:
They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you've gotta ride it well, the world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams, it's heaven and hell, oh well.
doffe
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden636 Posts
May 12 2011 01:25 GMT
#304
On May 12 2011 10:22 haffy wrote:
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On May 12 2011 10:21 Slayth wrote:
Just more reasons for me to hate the NASL. Makes me more thankful for IPL and GSL


lol wow. Get something for free and hate on it. Your not forced to watch you know.


well, I for one have payed money for this, am I allowed to complain about the servers crashing then?
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
May 12 2011 01:25 GMT
#305
this is silly... come on. first cancelled game? now this?? T_T
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
Slayth
Profile Joined November 2010
United States325 Posts
May 12 2011 01:25 GMT
#306
God I hope this game is worth it :<

In the meantime, eagles ! http://www.ustream.tv/decoraheagles
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ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
May 12 2011 01:25 GMT
#307
JTV at its prime..........
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
May 12 2011 01:25 GMT
#308
On May 12 2011 10:21 Geniuszerg wrote:
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On May 12 2011 10:19 dunc wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:13 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:11 dunc wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:09 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:08 dunc wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:06 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 12 2011 10:05 dunc wrote:
18 Nexus.. very abusive.

Jesus, can we at least keep idiotic balance stuff out of casting please. Kiwikaki is a very good player, he's not "abusive".



.....Are you serious?


Yes, I'm serious.



Abusive doesn't equal imbalance, christ. It means you do something designed to do tons of damage if your oppenent doesn't react correctly.


I know what abusive is, christ. How does 18 nexus fall under that category? It doesn't. Idra just loves calling every single Protoss in the world abusive.

He's good at casting but it would be better if they wouldn't let him cast Protoss.



Because it gives you a huge early economy and quick tech? Were you not listening at all?


I have no idea why I bother arguing with one of the biggest Idra fanboys but no. That's not the case.

Honestly if you want to put stuff in perspective like that every single build in Starcraft 2 is abusive. It's such a fucking retarded way to describe things. I guess he should have 4gated but that would have been abusive too. 3gate sentry expand is abusive too.

abusive in this situation is referring to the fact that you're abusing the general knowledge that most zergs wont build a lot of early lings, and because of that you can get a more econ nexus first build, its not abusing the race being played, its abusing the race played against


I feel like it's just a stupid word to use, also I've never heard IdrA use the word abusive in regards to a Zerg player. Abusing a strategy is one thing, that's how the game is supposed to be fucking played, so what is an abusive player? One who uses strategies that counter other strategies?

Why not just say "tactical" or "strategic" or "smart"...

Abusive sounds like they're taking advantage of something unfair when used for a player.
AimForTheBushes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1760 Posts
May 12 2011 01:25 GMT
#309
In the upper right, Olive Garden goes a gas-heavy 4 cheese pastachetti build..bottom left zerg sees the cheese coming and counters with the standard stream-muting. (Still down for me..kinda..just a frozen picture of a game)
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
May 12 2011 01:25 GMT
#310
On May 12 2011 10:24 Pekkz wrote:
Jesus christ. Cant there just be one friggin night without lagg or dead streams


You gotta pay money to expect that.

Oh wait...
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
May 12 2011 01:25 GMT
#311
Ooof. Can't wait for like 5 years from now when streaming isn't so finicky.
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 12 2011 01:25 GMT
#312
Thank god for the EG masters cup
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eos
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand39 Posts
May 12 2011 01:25 GMT
#313
Might have to eat some Pork-Grackling whilst I wait for the stream..
' And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning.' -- The man, Isaac Asimov - RIP
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
May 12 2011 01:25 GMT
#314
I think people are mad over the fact that Protoss can expand before Zerg, which is understandable.
Try another route paperboy.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 12 2011 01:26 GMT
#315
On May 12 2011 10:24 crawlingchaos wrote:
Stream cannot withstand the constant stream of wisdom from the Encyclopedia Grackannica D:


Good one!
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
May 12 2011 01:26 GMT
#316
On May 12 2011 10:25 1Eris1 wrote:
Thank god for the EG masters cup


Thank you for reminding me. I'll go watch them till NASL fixes their shit.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
May 12 2011 01:26 GMT
#317
On May 12 2011 10:25 ellirc wrote:
JTV at its prime..........

The Eg Stream is running really smooth, I'm not sure whats causing the hiccups for the NASL.
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
May 12 2011 01:26 GMT
#318
On May 12 2011 10:25 Slayth wrote:
God I hope this game is worth it :<

In the meantime, eagles ! http://www.ustream.tv/decoraheagles

Fuck yeah eagles!
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 01:27:23
May 12 2011 01:26 GMT
#319
EG masters cup
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/OneMoreGame

edit: haha THE SECOND I posted this stream was back up. Threat worked!
Off-season = best season
hugedong
Profile Joined June 2010
United States510 Posts
May 12 2011 01:26 GMT
#320
On May 12 2011 10:25 ellirc wrote:
JTV at its prime..........


It's all nasl. Every other jtv stream is fine, and idra streams fine with 18k viewers all the time.
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