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On May 08 2011 12:16 Toadvine wrote:
Seeing that game makes me want to do a 7 gate all-in every PvZ, just to teach Zergs not to open Mutas.
lol but Catz was prepared for that. He banked alot of money and when he saw no timing he made like 15 Mutas. If it was a timing he would have make roach/hydra. It was just brilliant. and that's why also why he did all the buildings at the same time, to confuse the protoss on his choice.
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On May 08 2011 12:17 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 12:16 CyanAska wrote:
Baneling drops are insanely good. But against Protoss players of that level, I don't think it is really possible without landing those fungal growths that basically force the opponent to either loose half his army without retaliating or loose everything :/ Baneling drops are great for protecting broodlords. Why sit roaches under them when you can float overlords (loaded with banelings) alongside them? If stalkers blink in, they're dead.
Unless a zerg puts the brood out of position, it's more often than not storms that actually kill the brood lords. 2 storms kill roaches/hydra, then you blink under.
Using overlords just means 3 storms, which kill both overlords and broods, dunno if it is actually better.
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If Hasu loses I'm going to cry.
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On May 08 2011 12:18 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 12:17 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On May 08 2011 12:15 Dommk wrote:Bah, got the feeling that Hasu was playing better overall, just wasn't quite sure the perfect way to handle it, Catz playing really sloppy, losing like 12 muta for one Colossus, 50% of his baneling drops died to storm  agree with this, protoss doesn't have an answer for this quite yet I feel. but I'm sure they'll find one :D It's called the 5/6 gateway push. That's the reason we don't see muta play in ZvP much these days.
I know, but you can hide a spire anywheeeeeeeeere. not easy to scout it.
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Anchorman reference <3 Gretorp
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On May 08 2011 12:18 siri wrote:
what wp? LOOOL
the only reason the zerg won the game was because the amount of greediness he had
unfortunately protoss cant scout if zerg is being greedy or not and at the same time punish it
Of course they can. Protoss have the same scouting potential if not more than any other race.
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Comparing himself to Martin Luther King Jr seems a little bit inappropriate
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Was that an anchorman joke Gretorp? I think it was :O
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On May 08 2011 12:17 MonsieurGrimm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 12:15 Dommk wrote:Bah, got the feeling that Hasu was playing better overall, just wasn't quite sure the perfect way to handle it, Catz playing really sloppy, losing like 12 muta for one Colossus, 50% of his baneling drops died to storm agree with this, protoss doesn't have an answer for this quite yet I feel. but I'm sure they'll find one :D
I think it was pretty map-specific. On a map like Shakuras or Metalopolis, I could imagine Hasu getting a 3rd vs mutas.
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On May 08 2011 12:19 frequency wrote:
If Hasu loses I'm going to cry.
He wont.
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On May 08 2011 12:18 siri wrote:
what wp? LOOOL
the only reason the zerg won the game was because the amount of greediness he had
unfortunately protoss cant scout if zerg is being greedy or not and at the same time punish it
Youre right out of all the races Protoss is the one w/ a problem scouting and PvZ is so hard for them especially when they can't win down 2-3 bases against waves of 200/200 hive tech
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On May 08 2011 12:19 Aristodemus wrote:He wont.
yeah man, he's hasu. he doesn't lose broski
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On May 08 2011 12:19 TheHova wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 12:18 siri wrote:
what wp? LOOOL
the only reason the zerg won the game was because the amount of greediness he had
unfortunately protoss cant scout if zerg is being greedy or not and at the same time punish it
Of course they can. Protoss have the same scouting potential if not more than any other race.
Hasu chose to reserve his sentry energy for FFs. Nothing was preventing him from scouting with hallus.
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On May 08 2011 12:19 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 12:17 Azarkon wrote:On May 08 2011 12:16 CyanAska wrote:
Baneling drops are insanely good. But against Protoss players of that level, I don't think it is really possible without landing those fungal growths that basically force the opponent to either loose half his army without retaliating or loose everything :/ Baneling drops are great for protecting broodlords. Why sit roaches under them when you can float overlords (loaded with banelings) alongside them? If stalkers blink in, they're dead. Unless a zerg puts the brood out of position, it's more often than not storms that actually kill the brood lords. 2 storms kill roaches/hydra, then you blink under. Using overlords just means 3 storms, which kill both overlords and broods, dunno if it is actually better.
Overlords can dodge storms. Broodlords can't, but you can spread them out. Dunno, Zerg does seem to lack an answer to HTs but other than that it's pretty solid.
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On May 08 2011 12:17 garlicface wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 12:14 Scribble wrote:
The impending BL/Baneling bomb gave me an idea. Blink stalkers are a huge issue against Brood Lords, but what if you left a small cluster of banelings right below the Broods so that if Stalkers blink up they're immediately on top of the banes? Sounds pretty iffy. It could be good, but how many banes do you need to kill a stalker? I think lings + fungals are better for guarding BLs. Unrelated, but another nifty trick in ZvP is 2-3 corrupters + 1 overseer for hunting observers.
I feel like it's worth experimenting with at the very least (both for the gas requirements and the bane:stalker ratio), but what I was thinking was that one way or another, you're going to trade trying to protect Broods vs blink Stalkers. You're either going to lose a few Broods before the stalkers can be cleaned up or you're going to lose the banes needed to clean up, but the banes are [possibly] more expendable.
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On May 08 2011 12:18 Samhax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 12:16 Toadvine wrote:
Seeing that game makes me want to do a 7 gate all-in every PvZ, just to teach Zergs not to open Mutas. lol but Catz was prepared for that. He banked alot of money and when he saw no timing he made like 15 Mutas. If it was a timing he would have make roach/hydra. It was just brilliant. and that's why also why he did all the buildings at the same time, to confuse the protoss on his choice.
I'm pretty sure he'd have died to a 2 base warpgate all-in anyway, after spending money on so much tech AND taking a third. He had no units and no spinecrawlers.
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Hmm, this allin is tough to pull off (well for me atleast lol)
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On May 08 2011 12:19 MonsieurGrimm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 12:18 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 08 2011 12:17 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On May 08 2011 12:15 Dommk wrote:Bah, got the feeling that Hasu was playing better overall, just wasn't quite sure the perfect way to handle it, Catz playing really sloppy, losing like 12 muta for one Colossus, 50% of his baneling drops died to storm agree with this, protoss doesn't have an answer for this quite yet I feel. but I'm sure they'll find one :D It's called the 5/6 gateway push. That's the reason we don't see muta play in ZvP much these days. I know, but you can hide a spire anywheeeeeeeeere. not easy to scout it.
No you can't. You have to wait until lair tech, and muta play can be discerned depending on the gas income and prior production even if you don't see the spire. Trying to hide it like Destiny is just a cutesy move.
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On May 08 2011 12:18 siri wrote:
what wp? LOOOL
the only reason the zerg won the game was because the amount of greediness he had
unfortunately protoss cant scout if zerg is being greedy or not and at the same time punish it
MUST BE A TROLL !
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