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Samhax
Profile Joined August 2010
1054 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 03:19:41
May 08 2011 03:18 GMT
#721
On May 08 2011 12:16 Toadvine wrote:
Seeing that game makes me want to do a 7 gate all-in every PvZ, just to teach Zergs not to open Mutas.


lol but Catz was prepared for that. He banked alot of money and when he saw no timing he made like 15 Mutas. If it was a timing he would have make roach/hydra. It was just brilliant. and that's why also why he did all the buildings at the same time, to confuse the protoss on his choice.
iyoume
Profile Joined May 2011
2501 Posts
May 08 2011 03:18 GMT
#722
lol incontrol <3
BeSt <3 | HoeJJa | Leta :: team Polt
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
May 08 2011 03:19 GMT
#723
On May 08 2011 12:17 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 12:16 CyanAska wrote:
Baneling drops are insanely good. But against Protoss players of that level, I don't think it is really possible without landing those fungal growths that basically force the opponent to either loose half his army without retaliating or loose everything :/


Baneling drops are great for protecting broodlords. Why sit roaches under them when you can float overlords (loaded with banelings) alongside them? If stalkers blink in, they're dead.


Unless a zerg puts the brood out of position, it's more often than not storms that actually kill the brood lords. 2 storms kill roaches/hydra, then you blink under.

Using overlords just means 3 storms, which kill both overlords and broods, dunno if it is actually better.
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frequency
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1901 Posts
May 08 2011 03:19 GMT
#724
If Hasu loses I'm going to cry.
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MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
May 08 2011 03:19 GMT
#725
On May 08 2011 12:18 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 12:17 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
On May 08 2011 12:15 Dommk wrote:
Bah, got the feeling that Hasu was playing better overall, just wasn't quite sure the perfect way to handle it, Catz playing really sloppy, losing like 12 muta for one Colossus, 50% of his baneling drops died to storm

agree with this, protoss doesn't have an answer for this quite yet I feel. but I'm sure they'll find one :D


It's called the 5/6 gateway push. That's the reason we don't see muta play in ZvP much these days.

I know, but you can hide a spire anywheeeeeeeeere. not easy to scout it.
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
Sc1pio
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States823 Posts
May 08 2011 03:19 GMT
#726
Anchorman reference <3 Gretorp
"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's there are few. " -Shunro Suzuki | fortuna fortes adiuvat
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
May 08 2011 03:19 GMT
#727
On May 08 2011 12:18 siri wrote:
what wp? LOOOL
the only reason the zerg won the game was because the amount of greediness he had

unfortunately protoss cant scout if zerg is being greedy or not and at the same time punish it




Of course they can. Protoss have the same scouting potential if not more than any other race.
HEROwithNOlegacy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States850 Posts
May 08 2011 03:19 GMT
#728
Comparing himself to Martin Luther King Jr seems a little bit inappropriate
SlayerS Fighting!
Shifft
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1085 Posts
May 08 2011 03:19 GMT
#729
Was that an anchorman joke Gretorp? I think it was :O
=O
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
May 08 2011 03:19 GMT
#730
On May 08 2011 12:17 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 12:15 Dommk wrote:
Bah, got the feeling that Hasu was playing better overall, just wasn't quite sure the perfect way to handle it, Catz playing really sloppy, losing like 12 muta for one Colossus, 50% of his baneling drops died to storm

agree with this, protoss doesn't have an answer for this quite yet I feel. but I'm sure they'll find one :D

I think it was pretty map-specific. On a map like Shakuras or Metalopolis, I could imagine Hasu getting a 3rd vs mutas.
#TeamBuLba
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1999 Posts
May 08 2011 03:19 GMT
#731
On May 08 2011 12:19 frequency wrote:
If Hasu loses I'm going to cry.

He wont.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Throat
Profile Joined November 2010
United States156 Posts
May 08 2011 03:20 GMT
#732
On May 08 2011 12:18 siri wrote:
what wp? LOOOL
the only reason the zerg won the game was because the amount of greediness he had

unfortunately protoss cant scout if zerg is being greedy or not and at the same time punish it



Youre right out of all the races Protoss is the one w/ a problem scouting and PvZ is so hard for them especially when they can't win down 2-3 bases against waves of 200/200 hive tech
Guthix
Profile Joined April 2011
United States209 Posts
May 08 2011 03:20 GMT
#733
On May 08 2011 12:19 Aristodemus wrote:
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On May 08 2011 12:19 frequency wrote:
If Hasu loses I'm going to cry.

He wont.

yeah man, he's hasu. he doesn't lose broski
Naniwa fighting!
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
May 08 2011 03:20 GMT
#734
On May 08 2011 12:19 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 12:18 siri wrote:
what wp? LOOOL
the only reason the zerg won the game was because the amount of greediness he had

unfortunately protoss cant scout if zerg is being greedy or not and at the same time punish it




Of course they can. Protoss have the same scouting potential if not more than any other race.

Hasu chose to reserve his sentry energy for FFs. Nothing was preventing him from scouting with hallus.
#TeamBuLba
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 08 2011 03:21 GMT
#735
On May 08 2011 12:19 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 12:17 Azarkon wrote:
On May 08 2011 12:16 CyanAska wrote:
Baneling drops are insanely good. But against Protoss players of that level, I don't think it is really possible without landing those fungal growths that basically force the opponent to either loose half his army without retaliating or loose everything :/


Baneling drops are great for protecting broodlords. Why sit roaches under them when you can float overlords (loaded with banelings) alongside them? If stalkers blink in, they're dead.


Unless a zerg puts the brood out of position, it's more often than not storms that actually kill the brood lords. 2 storms kill roaches/hydra, then you blink under.

Using overlords just means 3 storms, which kill both overlords and broods, dunno if it is actually better.


Overlords can dodge storms. Broodlords can't, but you can spread them out. Dunno, Zerg does seem to lack an answer to HTs but other than that it's pretty solid.
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
May 08 2011 03:22 GMT
#736
On May 08 2011 12:17 garlicface wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 12:14 Scribble wrote:
The impending BL/Baneling bomb gave me an idea. Blink stalkers are a huge issue against Brood Lords, but what if you left a small cluster of banelings right below the Broods so that if Stalkers blink up they're immediately on top of the banes?

Sounds pretty iffy. It could be good, but how many banes do you need to kill a stalker? I think lings + fungals are better for guarding BLs.

Unrelated, but another nifty trick in ZvP is 2-3 corrupters + 1 overseer for hunting observers.


I feel like it's worth experimenting with at the very least (both for the gas requirements and the bane:stalker ratio), but what I was thinking was that one way or another, you're going to trade trying to protect Broods vs blink Stalkers. You're either going to lose a few Broods before the stalkers can be cleaned up or you're going to lose the banes needed to clean up, but the banes are [possibly] more expendable.
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
May 08 2011 03:22 GMT
#737
On May 08 2011 12:18 Samhax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 12:16 Toadvine wrote:
Seeing that game makes me want to do a 7 gate all-in every PvZ, just to teach Zergs not to open Mutas.


lol but Catz was prepared for that. He banked alot of money and when he saw no timing he made like 15 Mutas. If it was a timing he would have make roach/hydra. It was just brilliant. and that's why also why he did all the buildings at the same time, to confuse the protoss on his choice.


I'm pretty sure he'd have died to a 2 base warpgate all-in anyway, after spending money on so much tech AND taking a third. He had no units and no spinecrawlers.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1999 Posts
May 08 2011 03:22 GMT
#738
Hmm, this allin is tough to pull off (well for me atleast lol)
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 08 2011 03:22 GMT
#739
On May 08 2011 12:19 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 12:18 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On May 08 2011 12:17 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
On May 08 2011 12:15 Dommk wrote:
Bah, got the feeling that Hasu was playing better overall, just wasn't quite sure the perfect way to handle it, Catz playing really sloppy, losing like 12 muta for one Colossus, 50% of his baneling drops died to storm

agree with this, protoss doesn't have an answer for this quite yet I feel. but I'm sure they'll find one :D


It's called the 5/6 gateway push. That's the reason we don't see muta play in ZvP much these days.

I know, but you can hide a spire anywheeeeeeeeere. not easy to scout it.


No you can't. You have to wait until lair tech, and muta play can be discerned depending on the gas income and prior production even if you don't see the spire. Trying to hide it like Destiny is just a cutesy move.
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Gezuz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden306 Posts
May 08 2011 03:23 GMT
#740
On May 08 2011 12:18 siri wrote:
what wp? LOOOL
the only reason the zerg won the game was because the amount of greediness he had

unfortunately protoss cant scout if zerg is being greedy or not and at the same time punish it



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