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On June 23 2011 16:23 hydra21 wrote:
Complexity never beat Sixjax. Sixjax lost to Root Gaming. Root was not bought out by Complexity; the team was dissolved for reasons that are irrelevant, and part of the team went to Complexity while the rest went elsewhere. If Complexity bought Root they would have all of Root; the option to go join another team would not have been on the table. Kiwikaki without question won Root the matchup (a player that has never been on Complexity's roster). This is just unfortunate because I think everyone knows if Sixjax actually played Complexity, the outcome would probably have been different.
The thing that bothers me is how fnatic handled this match. They knew who their opponent was going to be for a long time, and they knew they were sending sen to dreamhack. EG sent players as well, but they got their matches done for this week. Fnatic has a responsibility to have their players available to play their matches if they are going to participate in a league. That's it, and they didn't do it. Imagine if EG did the same thing and played Colbi instead of Idra?
Lets hope EG does the right thing (since they allowed a team they never even invited in the first place compete instead of DQing Root for the season) and makes them do a tie breaker. As I said Complexity never beat sixjax, if anything sixjax is up 2-1 on them.
DDE > coLMingun 2-0
MajOr > coLCatZ 2-0
CatZ/Drewbie win 2v2 1-0
The thing is, Complexity acquired ROOT gaming and a majority of their players, using your logic is problematic. There were plenty of roster additions during the tournament, and one or two departures as well. With the acquisition of ROOT gaming, Complexity was given ROOT's spot with all their achievements as a team. With the logic you're using, if a player left a team mid-season, we could make the same argument and say, "They won because they had X player who isn't there anymore", you count their achievements as a team, and the team was acquired by Complexity.
Also, I just did the math real quick... It turns out Complexity technically has 17 points...
1 + 3 + 3 + 4 + 2 + 1 + 3 = 17
So they aren't tied with Sixjax on points unless I'm miscalculating somehow.
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On June 23 2011 16:40 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 16:23 hydra21 wrote:
Complexity never beat Sixjax. Sixjax lost to Root Gaming. Root was not bought out by Complexity; the team was dissolved for reasons that are irrelevant, and part of the team went to Complexity while the rest went elsewhere. If Complexity bought Root they would have all of Root; the option to go join another team would not have been on the table. Kiwikaki without question won Root the matchup (a player that has never been on Complexity's roster). This is just unfortunate because I think everyone knows if Sixjax actually played Complexity, the outcome would probably have been different.
The thing that bothers me is how fnatic handled this match. They knew who their opponent was going to be for a long time, and they knew they were sending sen to dreamhack. EG sent players as well, but they got their matches done for this week. Fnatic has a responsibility to have their players available to play their matches if they are going to participate in a league. That's it, and they didn't do it. Imagine if EG did the same thing and played Colbi instead of Idra?
Lets hope EG does the right thing (since they allowed a team they never even invited in the first place compete instead of DQing Root for the season) and makes them do a tie breaker. As I said Complexity never beat sixjax, if anything sixjax is up 2-1 on them.
DDE > coLMingun 2-0
MajOr > coLCatZ 2-0
CatZ/Drewbie win 2v2 1-0 The thing is, Complexity acquired ROOT gaming and a majority of their players, using your logic is problematic. There were plenty of roster additions during the tournament, and one or two departures as well. With the acquisition of ROOT gaming, Complexity was given ROOT's spot with all their achievements as a team. With the logic you're using, if a player left a team mid-season, we could make the same argument and say, "They won because they had X player who isn't there anymore", you count their achievements as a team, and the team was acquired by Complexity. Also, I just did the math real quick... It turns out Complexity technically has 17 points... 1 + 3 + 3 + 4 + 2 + 1 + 3 = 17 So they aren't tied with Sixjax on points unless I'm miscalculating somehow.
Again if they bought root, they would have root. Drewbie and Catz calling it quits and throwing in the towel to head to coL with a few of their teammates doesn't mean root is = coL; and it certainly doesn't mean coL is entitled to what the team accomplished when Kiwi was pulling in 2 out of the three points needed to win almost all of their matches.
The comparison of a player leaving a team does not fit because at no point did kiwi ever play for coL.
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As fair or unfair as it seems, the only way to run a tournament is by following a set of arbitrary rules set out at the outset of the tournament while making as few modifications to them as possible. The coL=ROOT decision is the only real way to let the team continue competing (which I think is the right decision).
Which particular players won during the match is irrelevant. If ROOT were still ROOT but KiwiKaki had left, no-one would be raising this issue.
Rules and rules. They are arbitrary and capricious, and sometimes unjust. But they are the rules.
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On June 23 2011 16:47 hydra21 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 16:40 Mordiford wrote:On June 23 2011 16:23 hydra21 wrote:
Complexity never beat Sixjax. Sixjax lost to Root Gaming. Root was not bought out by Complexity; the team was dissolved for reasons that are irrelevant, and part of the team went to Complexity while the rest went elsewhere. If Complexity bought Root they would have all of Root; the option to go join another team would not have been on the table. Kiwikaki without question won Root the matchup (a player that has never been on Complexity's roster). This is just unfortunate because I think everyone knows if Sixjax actually played Complexity, the outcome would probably have been different.
The thing that bothers me is how fnatic handled this match. They knew who their opponent was going to be for a long time, and they knew they were sending sen to dreamhack. EG sent players as well, but they got their matches done for this week. Fnatic has a responsibility to have their players available to play their matches if they are going to participate in a league. That's it, and they didn't do it. Imagine if EG did the same thing and played Colbi instead of Idra?
Lets hope EG does the right thing (since they allowed a team they never even invited in the first place compete instead of DQing Root for the season) and makes them do a tie breaker. As I said Complexity never beat sixjax, if anything sixjax is up 2-1 on them.
DDE > coLMingun 2-0
MajOr > coLCatZ 2-0
CatZ/Drewbie win 2v2 1-0 The thing is, Complexity acquired ROOT gaming and a majority of their players, using your logic is problematic. There were plenty of roster additions during the tournament, and one or two departures as well. With the acquisition of ROOT gaming, Complexity was given ROOT's spot with all their achievements as a team. With the logic you're using, if a player left a team mid-season, we could make the same argument and say, "They won because they had X player who isn't there anymore", you count their achievements as a team, and the team was acquired by Complexity. Also, I just did the math real quick... It turns out Complexity technically has 17 points... 1 + 3 + 3 + 4 + 2 + 1 + 3 = 17 So they aren't tied with Sixjax on points unless I'm miscalculating somehow. Again if they bought root, they would have root. Drewbie and Catz calling it quits and throwing in the towel to head to coL with a few of their teammates doesn't mean root is = coL; and it certainly doesn't mean coL is entitled to what the team accomplished when Kiwi was pulling in 2 out of the three points needed to win almost all of their matches. The comparison of a player leaving a team does not fit because at no point did kiwi ever play for coL.
Kiwi never played for Complexity, but he played for ROOT and Complexity acquired ROOT, and a majority of their players in the original acquisition. It's not that big of a stretch.
This issue should have been raised in regards to Complexity being given ROOT's spot, not now that they are in a playoff position, it would be a huge dick-over to have them play out the end of the league portion and remove their position now...
And upon reassessing the points, it would seem they have 17, so there's no tie-breaker situation either.
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Nuuuu my sweet summer sixjax T__T
oh well, I think they had an amazing showing and silenced a lot of doubters as to whether they should have been involved.
Maturely handled by Evoli too despite this last week shafting the team, gl hf in all your future clan wars sixjax!
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can someone tell me the actual results of col - fnatic plz, might be lost in the drama but can't find them so far...
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On June 23 2011 17:36 LeLfe wrote:
can someone tell me the actual results of col - fnatic plz, might be lost in the drama but can't find them so far...
Kawaii > Destiny (2-1)
Fenix > Drewbie (2-0)
JF < Minigun (2-0)
Xeris/Fenix < CatZ/Drewbie (1-0)
and for ace
Xeris < CatZ (2-0)
3-2 for coL.
Drama because Fenix offraced as P and they put in Xeris for 2 matches including the Ace.
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On June 23 2011 17:39 Adebisi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 17:36 LeLfe wrote:
can someone tell me the actual results of col - fnatic plz, might be lost in the drama but can't find them so far... Kawaii > Destiny (2-1) Fenix > Drewbie (2-0) JF < Minigun (2-0) Xeris/Fenix < CatZ/Drewbie (1-0) and for ace Xeris < CatZ (2-0) 3-2 for coL. Drama because Fenix offraced as P and they put in Xeris for 2 matches including the Ace.
thank you sir!
Fenix won off race right?
I've read about the drama, it's a bit sad that Fnatic had soo many issues to get players to play the last weeks... considering recruiting additionnal players maybe?
Xeris said Fenix logged off right after the 2v2 finished, don't you have his phone number?
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I know there are rules set in place for tie breakers but considering how complexity's team falls into a gray area I think playing for the spot is the most fair solution to the problem. If coL and SJ actually are tied in points you have to take into account that.
1)Sixjax played a fnatic that fielded a 100% competitive lineup when coL may not have
2)In the tie breaker 2/3 points against sixjax were taken by a player who did not transition with root to coL
I know the rules say they are tied and the tie breaker goes to coL but it will definitely leave a sour taste in some peoples mouths if the spot isn't played for. That said I am a fan of root/coL but it's been exciting to watch sixjax's improvement over the course of the season and seeing what they've been able to accomplish, it would be a shame to see it end like this.
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On June 23 2011 17:52 LeLfe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 17:39 Adebisi wrote:On June 23 2011 17:36 LeLfe wrote:
can someone tell me the actual results of col - fnatic plz, might be lost in the drama but can't find them so far... Kawaii > Destiny (2-1) Fenix > Drewbie (2-0) JF < Minigun (2-0) Xeris/Fenix < CatZ/Drewbie (1-0) and for ace Xeris < CatZ (2-0) 3-2 for coL. Drama because Fenix offraced as P and they put in Xeris for 2 matches including the Ace. thank you sir! Fenix won off race right? I've read about the drama, it's a bit sad that Fnatic had soo many issues to get players to play the last weeks... considering recruiting additionnal players maybe? Xeris said Fenix logged off right after the 2v2 finished, don't you have his phone number?
np, Fenix played Protoss yes.
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On June 23 2011 14:28 kpzd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 14:25 CocoA wrote:
ROOT didnt change names, they JOINED a different team. No, the brand ROOT was acquired by coL. By all intents and purposes, that means that coL=ROOT. Whoops forgot that! Mouz!
Acording to Root-gaming website they DISSOLVED.
so you cant say that the brand was acquired by col. Col just got the players....
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Shame that the EG Masters Cup regular season will end on such a sad pathetic note, I watched a lot of the matches and was a big fan of the event, but just don't think I can watch after the terrible way they have handled things here at the end, I wish them the best of luck in having a successful playoffs, but it really is disappointing and shameful.
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Another question:
Since Xeris isn't on the Fnatic roster as listed in the OP:
Fenix (Jian Carlo Joan Morayra Alejo)
Gretorp (Andre Hengchua)
Iefnaij (Jianfei Wang)
KawaiiRice (Lok-Yin Kwong)
NightEnD (Silviu Lazar)
Sen (Yang Chia Cheng)
TT1 (Payam Toghyan)
Shouldn't Fnatic been forced to forfeit the 2v2, and since Fenix was online for that and the third series, he could have instead gone straight into the ace match?
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Sad end for an overall good tournament. It's really unfair for SixJax as they were the team that showed the biggest progress during the competition. You could say they are the hope of the North American scene as their roster is composed of a bunch of really good rookies: Vibe, DDE, Major. These three guys deserve to play more and i really hope they will become better.
Really bad move from Fanatic, but "understandable". The roster from CoL/ROOT is way weaker than the original roster of ROOT (Kiwikaki, Slush, even Destiny). It's going to be an easy win in the play-off. But the teams should understand that by fucking over the viewers like this, throwing matches to manipulate the group play, they are really hurting the tournaments.
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Wow,I have already started losing respect for Xeris with his dick posts all over the TL forum and the Fnatic team in general,but this event put me over the top. Super dick move by them to basically throw the matches to Complexity, they're hurting e-sports more than they're helping.
I can't argue about the root=Col move,I don't remember anyone arguing against it when it happened,so now all of the sudden you can't pretend to be surprised that the tiebreaker is decided by the root vs sixjax match,but yeah,fnatic just screwed up big time.
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Ehh, this was a fucked up situation stemming from either the nonchalance or unavailability of a team, that said, I pretty much refuse to be a shortsighted idiot (like some people in the thread) and condemn the entire event for it. EGMC has been otherwise a very good clanwar league with plenty of interesting games. Heck, even the last game was interesting until the fielded Xeris, but the point still stands.
Also, anyone arguing that Complexity shouldn't be taking root's spot is just letting their rage leak into their logic, there's no GOOD reason complexity shouldn't take the place of the team they absorbed, even if their games were won by Kiwikaki, Kiwikaki controlling two computers and Kiwikaki for ace.
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On June 23 2011 15:22 Mordiford wrote:
I have to say, Xeris... what the fuck is up with the scheduling for your team?
You guys have given a lot of walkovers in the past for games that actually counted and probably lost you series in the past, it really speaks to your strength as a team to get this far regardless but honestly it's pretty disappointing to see such disorganization in regards to clan wars...
It's kind of funny though, what happens when your team is down, fucking manager pulls up his socks and steps in the field, that's some dedication! No, but seriously, what the fuck man? Why does your team disappear in clan wars sometimes?
Nothing is up really. People have a ton of other tournaments and events going on almost every day. There's 5-6 weekly cups, there are 1-2 major LAN events each month, there's WCG qualifiers starting, players want to practice on their own, and on top of all of that, most of my players live in very different parts of the world, which makes arranging clan war times very difficult.
Secondly, because I pretty much only has 5 players (and NightEnD joining is very recent), any clanwar basically requires me to have every single player on my team available.
This is why sometimes we choose to forfeit games (I.E. the 2v2 against Millenium), especially if I know we have a good chance at still winning. Obviously the preference is never to forfeit games, I've only forfeited twice ever I think. But, especially if I don't feel like playing, or can't play (most of our clanwars take place during times I can't play), then there's no other option. Almost every other team in this league has 6-8 players, and that makes things much easier.
I have no problems playing, I just don't do it. I'd much rather play myself than forfeit if its possible, and this was the situation here. I played BroodWar very competitively in 2004-2006 and almost qualified for WCG USA Finals 3 times. I played in the CSL for my team and went 17-3 and helped my school UCSD get 2nd and 1st place in both seasons last year. I'm no stranger to playing competitively (I just suck ass right now). Obviously it looks bad because after all the games were streamed, the Fnatic coL match determined 2 of the playoff seeds. If our match had been streamed 1st of the week, nobody would have been complaining.
The thing that most people don't realize is: we have no information as to the results of other clan-wars when we play. All I knew when looking at the standings, was that as long as we didn't lose 0-4 we would almost 100% make the playoffs. Again as I said -- due to the slightly inflexible scheduling rules of EG Masters Cup (we need to play all the games by Thursday...), we had arranged to play it Thursday which was the best time for both teams, however half my team was gone to DreamHack at that point. So we only had myself, Fenix, KawaiiRice, and IefNaij.
IefNaij barely plays because he works full time and goes to school. He reluctantly played a match because I asked, but he had to go out. KawaiiRice had two other tournament matches right after the coL games vs Destiny, so he had to go. Fenix played, then as we were in the 2v2 lobby he disconnected. I almost had to forfeit the 2v2, but Fenix came back and we played. After the game he logged off. Fenix isn't living at home, and there's no phone number to contact him at, and he was offline MSN and Skype.
So we were faced with an ace situation in which KawaiiRice was online, but playing other tournament games, and me. I wasn't doing anything, so I played to avoid forfeiting. It's not like I tried to lose the games on purpose. I played the best I could given my amount of preparation and practice, which is obviously minimal.. but I tried my best. I'm not a competitive gamer, and someone like CatZ is just higher skilled than me, and I lost.
People who are just watching the streams or aren't involved in the scene really get a one sided perspective of what actually goes into managing a team. Players (at least on my team), have a lot of things going on, and clanwars unfortunately take a very low priority. Scheduling them is difficult, but for leagues like GCPL or EG Masters Cup, we try our best to compete in them because of the prize money. So it looks like "oh Fnatic doesn't care, their manager played" or "you don't care because you forfeited a game," but the truth is that for each match we try as hard as we can with what's available. But right now, my team is very small and we can only do so much, and especially if a player or two can't play during the clan war time, we might have to forfeit a match.
We will probably be recruiting some new players soon that will hopefully make playing in team events much easier in the future, but until then we need to work with what we have, and I do the best job I can with the tools I have available. So I'm sorry you guys didn't get to see a better player playing in the ace match. We'll make sure to show our strength in the playoffs, and hopefully win!
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If it is true that coL has 17 points and there is no real tie, then sixjax still has a grievance since sixjax played (and took to ace) a FULL strength fnatic team (sen, fenix, tt1) whereas coL took on a joke line-up where fnatic clearly didn't care.
Saying that coL earned their spot or that sixjax didn't win enough doesn't mean shit to me when the playing field was so imbalanced. Fnatic really hurt the integrity of the tournament, intentionally or not.
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On June 23 2011 14:52 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 14:49 On_Slaught wrote:On June 23 2011 14:46 kpzd wrote:On June 23 2011 14:43 Bluest wrote:On June 23 2011 14:30 FawkingGoomba wrote:On June 23 2011 14:24 CocoA wrote:
as a sixjax member, well i can only actually speak for myself but the problem really isnt the fnatic vs col series, but the fact that col in reality didnt play in this tournament, just because they get some members from a team that was in it the results shouldnt transfer either root finished the tour or they DQed but oh well thats just imo I believe the only match where non-ROOT players were used was the week before this, and i'm pretty sure that every non-ROOT player that played lost so I wouldn't say it's unfair. I mean, every person that played this week was from the original ROOT. Either way, there wasn't any precedent for this so you can't fault the admins for making this compromise. Every person that played this week was from the original root and 3-2d a fnatic team that played its manager twice and an offracer. I understand there are no rules for this situation so they had to make one up, the issue is the obvious rule in this situation is simply to have a playin match. You can't have anything fairer and simpler than that and nobody can complain afterwards. There are arguments for doing it different but at the end of the day someone is going to feel screwed with no playin match. With a playin match nobody can complain about fairness and the tourny integrity remains intact. Complexity could argue for fairness if they require a play-in, considering they already beat Sixjax. Just because that player left their team during the coL acquisition doesn't mean their past results shouldn't count. What? When did col beat sixjax? I don't see that anywhere in the results... The thing is, Complexity acquired ROOT, there is no real precedent to reference for this, so in the case of this league, Complexity also acquired all of ROOT's results, which in this case, include beating Sixjax. The situation sucks for Sixjax, but I think Colbi made a decent decision in this regard.
they didn't acquire root. per roots own website, root was 'dissolved' then the members split off as they felt.
comments on xeris post above:
I understand the dreamhack excuse but the rest of it? Retarded.
Why are you sponsoring players with such little care for the game that they will disconnect with no warning, that don't care about showing up or barely play enough to be competitive? All of this speaks to you as a manager and Fnatic as an entity. Have gamers gotten such big heads after some sponsorship they are all divas? Get your team under control. If they want to keep getting free laptops, paid travel and salary (if they do) they have to do their fucking job. Sorry but I really don't get it. Woe is me I suppose where I have to work for the people who pay me.
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On June 24 2011 00:24 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 15:22 Mordiford wrote:
I have to say, Xeris... what the fuck is up with the scheduling for your team?
You guys have given a lot of walkovers in the past for games that actually counted and probably lost you series in the past, it really speaks to your strength as a team to get this far regardless but honestly it's pretty disappointing to see such disorganization in regards to clan wars...
It's kind of funny though, what happens when your team is down, fucking manager pulls up his socks and steps in the field, that's some dedication! No, but seriously, what the fuck man? Why does your team disappear in clan wars sometimes? Nothing is up really. People have a ton of other tournaments and events going on almost every day. There's 5-6 weekly cups, there are 1-2 major LAN events each month, there's WCG qualifiers starting, players want to practice on their own, and on top of all of that, most of my players live in very different parts of the world, which makes arranging clan war times very difficult. Secondly, because I pretty much only has 5 players (and NightEnD joining is very recent), any clanwar basically requires me to have every single player on my team available. This is why sometimes we choose to forfeit games (I.E. the 2v2 against Millenium), especially if I know we have a good chance at still winning. Obviously the preference is never to forfeit games, I've only forfeited twice ever I think. But, especially if I don't feel like playing, or can't play (most of our clanwars take place during times I can't play), then there's no other option. Almost every other team in this league has 6-8 players, and that makes things much easier. I have no problems playing, I just don't do it. I'd much rather play myself than forfeit if its possible, and this was the situation here. I played BroodWar very competitively in 2004-2006 and almost qualified for WCG USA Finals 3 times. I played in the CSL for my team and went 17-3 and helped my school UCSD get 2nd and 1st place in both seasons last year. I'm no stranger to playing competitively (I just suck ass right now). Obviously it looks bad because after all the games were streamed, the Fnatic coL match determined 2 of the playoff seeds. If our match had been streamed 1st of the week, nobody would have been complaining. The thing that most people don't realize is: we have no information as to the results of other clan-wars when we play. All I knew when looking at the standings, was that as long as we didn't lose 0-4 we would almost 100% make the playoffs. Again as I said -- due to the slightly inflexible scheduling rules of EG Masters Cup (we need to play all the games by Thursday...), we had arranged to play it Thursday which was the best time for both teams, however half my team was gone to DreamHack at that point. So we only had myself, Fenix, KawaiiRice, and IefNaij. IefNaij barely plays because he works full time and goes to school. He reluctantly played a match because I asked, but he had to go out. KawaiiRice had two other tournament matches right after the coL games vs Destiny, so he had to go. Fenix played, then as we were in the 2v2 lobby he disconnected. I almost had to forfeit the 2v2, but Fenix came back and we played. After the game he logged off. Fenix isn't living at home, and there's no phone number to contact him at, and he was offline MSN and Skype. So we were faced with an ace situation in which KawaiiRice was online, but playing other tournament games, and me. I wasn't doing anything, so I played to avoid forfeiting. It's not like I tried to lose the games on purpose. I played the best I could given my amount of preparation and practice, which is obviously minimal.. but I tried my best. I'm not a competitive gamer, and someone like CatZ is just higher skilled than me, and I lost. People who are just watching the streams or aren't involved in the scene really get a one sided perspective of what actually goes into managing a team. Players (at least on my team), have a lot of things going on, and clanwars unfortunately take a very low priority. Scheduling them is difficult, but for leagues like GCPL or EG Masters Cup, we try our best to compete in them because of the prize money. So it looks like "oh Fnatic doesn't care, their manager played" or "you don't care because you forfeited a game," but the truth is that for each match we try as hard as we can with what's available. But right now, my team is very small and we can only do so much, and especially if a player or two can't play during the clan war time, we might have to forfeit a match. We will probably be recruiting some new players soon that will hopefully make playing in team events much easier in the future, but until then we need to work with what we have, and I do the best job I can with the tools I have available. So I'm sorry you guys didn't get to see a better player playing in the ace match. We'll make sure to show our strength in the playoffs, and hopefully win!
Just so you know, Xeris. I wasn't accusing you guys of pre-planning anything and I understand your team is busy, it's just slightly disappointing to see such a good team lose sets and matches occasionally because their teams seems to be missing forcing them to give walkover wins.
Also, to everyone else... coL has 17 points based on team results, so there is no tie.
On June 24 2011 00:31 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 14:52 Mordiford wrote:On June 23 2011 14:49 On_Slaught wrote:On June 23 2011 14:46 kpzd wrote:On June 23 2011 14:43 Bluest wrote:On June 23 2011 14:30 FawkingGoomba wrote:On June 23 2011 14:24 CocoA wrote:
as a sixjax member, well i can only actually speak for myself but the problem really isnt the fnatic vs col series, but the fact that col in reality didnt play in this tournament, just because they get some members from a team that was in it the results shouldnt transfer either root finished the tour or they DQed but oh well thats just imo I believe the only match where non-ROOT players were used was the week before this, and i'm pretty sure that every non-ROOT player that played lost so I wouldn't say it's unfair. I mean, every person that played this week was from the original ROOT. Either way, there wasn't any precedent for this so you can't fault the admins for making this compromise. Every person that played this week was from the original root and 3-2d a fnatic team that played its manager twice and an offracer. I understand there are no rules for this situation so they had to make one up, the issue is the obvious rule in this situation is simply to have a playin match. You can't have anything fairer and simpler than that and nobody can complain afterwards. There are arguments for doing it different but at the end of the day someone is going to feel screwed with no playin match. With a playin match nobody can complain about fairness and the tourny integrity remains intact. Complexity could argue for fairness if they require a play-in, considering they already beat Sixjax. Just because that player left their team during the coL acquisition doesn't mean their past results shouldn't count. What? When did col beat sixjax? I don't see that anywhere in the results... The thing is, Complexity acquired ROOT, there is no real precedent to reference for this, so in the case of this league, Complexity also acquired all of ROOT's results, which in this case, include beating Sixjax. The situation sucks for Sixjax, but I think Colbi made a decent decision in this regard. they didn't acquire root. per roots own website, root was 'dissolved' then the members split off as they felt. comments on xeris post above: I understand the dreamhack excuse but the rest of it? Retarded. Why are you sponsoring players with such little care for the game that they will disconnect with no warning, that don't care about showing up or barely play enough to be competitive? All of this speaks to you as a manager and Fnatic as an entity. Have gamers gotten such big heads after some sponsorship they are all divas? Get your team under control. If they want to keep getting free laptops, paid travel and salary (if they do) they have to do their fucking job. Sorry but I really don't get it. Woe is me I suppose where I have to work for the people who pay me.
According to the Complexity press release, it was an acquisition, and considering it was a majority of the team being added in the initial roster transfer, I feel that's a more appropriate term in general.
Regardless, this issue should have been raised the moment it happened and not after they'd played two additional weeks, particularly when there's no tie.
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