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On June 24 2011 00:41 Mordiford wrote:
According to the Complexity press release, it was an acquisition, and considering it was a majority of the team being added in the initial roster transfer, I feel that's a more appropriate term in general.
Regardless, this issue should have been raised the moment it happened and not after they'd played two additional weeks, particularly when there's no tie.
If i remember correctly it was something about the lines coL aquired most of Root line up and managers.
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Sixjax vs col. Bring it scoots!
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From a completely unbiased perspective, in this circumstance, a lot of UNEXPECTED events occurred. eg:
A) Complexity Acquiring ROOT
B) Final Match of Fnatic vs coL being so "controversial"
If coL has 17 points there is no discussion, if there is 16, given all these unexpected things that took place I think it would be MOST fair to not favor one team over the other since technically it is the fault of tournament management to not have "rules" in place for these extreme situations. Sure these events are incredibly incredibly unlikely, but that just goes to show how unexpected it really was, nobody predicted such complications. Therefore, the most fair way to go about it, is to have a final death match to determine who deserves the playoff spot in my opinion. GL to coL if that is the final decision!
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On June 24 2011 00:24 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 15:22 Mordiford wrote:
I have to say, Xeris... what the fuck is up with the scheduling for your team?
You guys have given a lot of walkovers in the past for games that actually counted and probably lost you series in the past, it really speaks to your strength as a team to get this far regardless but honestly it's pretty disappointing to see such disorganization in regards to clan wars...
It's kind of funny though, what happens when your team is down, fucking manager pulls up his socks and steps in the field, that's some dedication! No, but seriously, what the fuck man? Why does your team disappear in clan wars sometimes? Nothing is up really. People have a ton of other tournaments and events going on almost every day. There's 5-6 weekly cups, there are 1-2 major LAN events each month, there's WCG qualifiers starting, players want to practice on their own, and on top of all of that, most of my players live in very different parts of the world, which makes arranging clan war times very difficult. Secondly, because I pretty much only has 5 players (and NightEnD joining is very recent), any clanwar basically requires me to have every single player on my team available. This is why sometimes we choose to forfeit games (I.E. the 2v2 against Millenium), especially if I know we have a good chance at still winning. Obviously the preference is never to forfeit games, I've only forfeited twice ever I think. But, especially if I don't feel like playing, or can't play (most of our clanwars take place during times I can't play), then there's no other option. Almost every other team in this league has 6-8 players, and that makes things much easier. I have no problems playing, I just don't do it. I'd much rather play myself than forfeit if its possible, and this was the situation here. I played BroodWar very competitively in 2004-2006 and almost qualified for WCG USA Finals 3 times. I played in the CSL for my team and went 17-3 and helped my school UCSD get 2nd and 1st place in both seasons last year. I'm no stranger to playing competitively (I just suck ass right now). Obviously it looks bad because after all the games were streamed, the Fnatic coL match determined 2 of the playoff seeds. If our match had been streamed 1st of the week, nobody would have been complaining. The thing that most people don't realize is: we have no information as to the results of other clan-wars when we play. All I knew when looking at the standings, was that as long as we didn't lose 0-4 we would almost 100% make the playoffs. Again as I said -- due to the slightly inflexible scheduling rules of EG Masters Cup (we need to play all the games by Thursday...), we had arranged to play it Thursday which was the best time for both teams, however half my team was gone to DreamHack at that point. So we only had myself, Fenix, KawaiiRice, and IefNaij. IefNaij barely plays because he works full time and goes to school. He reluctantly played a match because I asked, but he had to go out. KawaiiRice had two other tournament matches right after the coL games vs Destiny, so he had to go. Fenix played, then as we were in the 2v2 lobby he disconnected. I almost had to forfeit the 2v2, but Fenix came back and we played. After the game he logged off. Fenix isn't living at home, and there's no phone number to contact him at, and he was offline MSN and Skype. So we were faced with an ace situation in which KawaiiRice was online, but playing other tournament games, and me. I wasn't doing anything, so I played to avoid forfeiting. It's not like I tried to lose the games on purpose. I played the best I could given my amount of preparation and practice, which is obviously minimal.. but I tried my best. I'm not a competitive gamer, and someone like CatZ is just higher skilled than me, and I lost. People who are just watching the streams or aren't involved in the scene really get a one sided perspective of what actually goes into managing a team. Players (at least on my team), have a lot of things going on, and clanwars unfortunately take a very low priority. Scheduling them is difficult, but for leagues like GCPL or EG Masters Cup, we try our best to compete in them because of the prize money. So it looks like "oh Fnatic doesn't care, their manager played" or "you don't care because you forfeited a game," but the truth is that for each match we try as hard as we can with what's available. But right now, my team is very small and we can only do so much, and especially if a player or two can't play during the clan war time, we might have to forfeit a match. We will probably be recruiting some new players soon that will hopefully make playing in team events much easier in the future, but until then we need to work with what we have, and I do the best job I can with the tools I have available. So I'm sorry you guys didn't get to see a better player playing in the ace match. We'll make sure to show our strength in the playoffs, and hopefully win!
So, you had to play by Thursday and scheduled for Thursday because it was the best time to play for both teams. But, how can it be the best time for your team when you know half the players are going to Dreamhack on that date? This clearly makes it not the best time.
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Because none of the other days worked out. It was the best of many bad options.
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On June 24 2011 00:49 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 00:41 Mordiford wrote:
According to the Complexity press release, it was an acquisition, and considering it was a majority of the team being added in the initial roster transfer, I feel that's a more appropriate term in general.
Regardless, this issue should have been raised the moment it happened and not after they'd played two additional weeks, particularly when there's no tie. If i remember correctly it was something about the lines coL aquired most of Root line up and managers.
The exact wording is:
Today compLexity Gaming is thrilled to announce that we have acquired ROOT Gaming and the majority of the roster.
They wanted to buy it as a whole, some people were lost in the acquisition, but it was an acquisition.
I think Colbi handled it in a fair manner, the replacement was a decent decision and asking them to play an extra game now would be a little unfair to them now that they've qualified for the playoffs.
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On June 23 2011 14:14 evoli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 14:00 kpzd wrote:
It's heartwrenching for the SJ players, I'm sure, but at the end of the day it's not Fnatic's responsibility to get SixJax in the playoffs, it's SixJax's. I agree. Also, the j is lower case (knowledge is power). The circumstances, as I said in my article, are so bizarrely unlikely that I don't know how frustrated I can really get. Me being absolutely honest, I don't know how I feel. I bounce between being extremely disappointed to livid (at the Starcraft gods?) and then back down. It must have been a million to one shot that this last series played out like this, resulting in a tie with the team that we kind-of-sort-of lost too earlier in the season. I talked to Colbi earlier, and as sympathetic as he was (he understands where I'm coming from, it's seriously a "Wow really?" turn of events) he has to be consistent as an admin. As easy as it to have a chat in IRC and Skype and say "Wow, we/you really got dicked over" it's almost impossible to enforce that. It'd be a tough sell as a tournament admin. That said, of course breaks my heart there at least couldn't have been a playoff game. I think in most case (not all, but most) Sixjax beats coL in a CW. They do have some good players, and we actually have a couple of players with horrible MUs, but I think most times we walk out of that on top. Finally to respond to the folks saying we should have won more mid season: Yes, of course. Had we got another 2v2 or a 1v1 it wouldn't have been an issue. Inversely, we never got spoon fed a win. (Writer's note: Paulo, Edward, and Andrew I love you all to death, and I hope you can understand my frustrations).
i love you too BRO but your article was pretty much a "no offense BUT offense"
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Sixjax would have won more games if they had played Artosis imo
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Dissapointing for Sixjax but i think its fair.. It's Sixjax's fault for getting in a situation where they cant control their own destiny.
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Is no one else concerned with how poor the games themselves were? So much unneeded passivity.
Felt long, and dragged out........
The rest of this post is better suited for the "let off steam thread".....
Can't wait to watch the playoffs! When teams want to beat each other in any, and every opportunity.....it's week 17 of the NFL all over again TT
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Well what happens if say Y player leaves from X team at the end of the season, but in the tie break it was found that that player managed to get the deciding wins when the two clans faced each other previously.
Would you discredit that clan because they lost that player? Would you force them to "re-clanwar" for the spot?
How about a different perspective? What if it was ROOT that consumed coL and Kiwikaki just happened to leave? What would you do in that situation?
Then what about Destiny? Do you start saying his losses no longer count because he is no longer on the team?
It is one thing to be angry and disappointed, but it is pathetic and petty to go down crying like a child like this. At least show some class.
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kinda bullshit that fanatic would throw a series like that.. not sending out your best players is just lame
kiwikaki ftw
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the end was p bad. but gj wheat like always <3
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This is absolute BS, if complexity has any integrity as a team they HAVE to play Sixjax, otherwise their results mean nothing.
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On June 24 2011 02:36 Ganjamaster wrote:
This is absolute BS, if complexity has any integrity as a team they HAVE to play Sixjax, otherwise their results mean nothing.
If they wanted absolute fairness, they'd have the entire line-up played over(all weeks played as ROOT) but since that's obviously not logistically viable it makes sense to simply allow Complexity to move forward, regardless of what happens, one team will be getting screwed over. You can't just discount the games that Kiwikaki won for them as ROOT, just like you wouldn't suddenly remove Fnatic's wins if Sen left, or Dignitas's wins if SeleCT left. It's not "absolute bullshit", it's quite sensible.
I don't think it's quite petty to say they have no integrity if they don't opt for a rematch. It'd be a shitty situation either way.
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Well, do we know what team has the priviledge of playing coL in the playoffs? Mouz right?
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On June 24 2011 03:18 On_Slaught wrote:
Well, do we know what team has the priviledge of playing coL in the playoffs? Mouz right?
I think so, so it wouldn't really matter much anyways... Unless both coL and Sixjax seriously stepped up, it would be very unlikely for Mouz to lose.
They beat ROOT 3-1 and Sixjax 4-0. With some luck, you never know though.
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On June 24 2011 02:36 Ganjamaster wrote:
This is absolute BS, if complexity has any integrity as a team they HAVE to play Sixjax, otherwise their results mean nothing.
Are you kidding? we have 17 pts, they have 16....... gg?
we played them already and won, why would we play them again?
the EGMC admins made the decision to allow ROOT to switch to complexity's lineup in the league.
There are no issues, no tie-breakers, there is no drama or anything, why is everyone making trouble?
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On June 24 2011 02:09 woob wrote:
kinda bullshit that fanatic would throw a series like that.. not sending out your best players is just lame
kiwikaki ftw
Their players were at dreamhack, and the EGMC admins set a date to play on... how is that fnatic's fault?
Please try and learn the whole story before you flame Fnatic / coL ok? ty
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oh yeah, also Mordiford i <3 u
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