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On May 05 2011 19:24 Ayrie wrote:
WOW first the spines, and now the hydras! an absolutely mind blowing way to punish an extremely greedy protoss.
on another note: stop dissing idra, you guys are demonstrating how little you actually paid attention to what he was saying on state of the game - he never once claimed the metagame was figured out. he was merely stating the obvious lack of zerg scouting options leading to them having to guess and coinflip when it came to all-ins. nestea's mind blowing strategy has no relation to idra's play, who in fact has been showing much better results in zvp lately anyways.
Funny thing is that protoss has those same restrictions on scouting options in the early game, lair and hallucination/robo should come around the same time / can come around the same time if the zerg isnt being super greedy/ places importance on getting a scout off.
In between there both zerg and protoss dont have scouting options, so its just as much of a coin flip for the protoss, how do they know the zerg isnt doing an all in? Also even after getting 6 sentries 3 stalkers and a zealot with the sentry expand it can be very risky to push out you can lose your whole army if zerg is going for aggresive play.
Both players have to make coin flips it isnt just exclusive for the zerg and thats where idra is wrong.
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I don't think it's so easy to fix the Nestea spine crawlers with good sim city.
Remember that with the nerf of Pylon radius (7.5 to 6.5) that is in the PTR the Nestea strategy will be even more efficient against fast expanding Protosses after the next patch.
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Metalopolis. Nestea 12 AP 6
Nestea 10 pool but idk why, has his natural up now
AP with early stargate.
Nestea building evo chamber Void nearly finished now
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On May 05 2011 19:30 iamke55 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:27 Stuv wrote:On May 05 2011 19:24 Ojahh wrote:I know the poll is a joke but here you go Poll: Would you recommend game 1 ? NesTea vs anyproYes (491) 98% No (6) 1% If you have time (2) 0% 499 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 1 ? NesTea vs anypro (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
Haha 6 angry protoss players it seems. :D More like 6 angry zerg players. "No, how dare a Zerg win! Now people won't believe us when we complain!"
ROFL, that is exactly what I was thinking
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On May 05 2011 19:29 MrCon wrote:
Next metagame evolution will be zergs will build their nat at the protoss' nat xD
Haha its pretty hilariously effective though 
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Germany1406 Posts
the build needs a name, and i dont mean the "nestea build". creative people should think about it :D
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Like I saud, anypro had 3 forge expand planned, so now he's one basing. I'm in tears :D
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Is this that fake expansion by anypro?
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Void ray. Again. Think I rather see MC cheesing than this...
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On May 05 2011 19:29 busbarn wrote:
You guys suddenly think ZvP is balanced because one all in for zerg punish the forge expand? :S
I'm not saying it's imbalanced, but a possible all-in doesn't really change the dynamics of the match up past early game.
with that said, nestea so awesome and that rush so excellent ;>!
How is it an all in? He was taking his third and had already teched.
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On May 05 2011 19:30 Corvi wrote:
the build needs a name, and i dont mean the "nestea build". creative people should think about it :D
I'm fairly creative, "nestea build 2"
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On May 05 2011 19:30 ChickenLips wrote:
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You might want to edit your post
edit: they said 54*6 right?
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On May 05 2011 19:29 busbarn wrote:
You guys suddenly think ZvP is balanced because one all in for zerg punish the forge expand? :S
I'm not saying it's imbalanced, but a possible all-in doesn't really change the dynamics of the match up past early game.
That wasn't all-in, for killing a nexus he invested very little.
Don't spread fallacies like that
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Nice spore by Nestea ready denies Void
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Nestea scouted the VR/stargate? he added spore so early
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On May 05 2011 19:30 Corvi wrote:
the build needs a name, and i dont mean the "nestea build". creative people should think about it :D
Spine Rush
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On May 05 2011 19:27 caneras wrote:
Tastosis keep claiming that this strategy is completely original, but I think I remember seeing Idra do this in the GSL on Steppes of War and called it a creep highway or something like that. He built a bunch of hydras and spine crawlers and ran them down the map while overlords spread creep to make a path for them. It's not the exact same thing, but similar enough to say that Nestea didn't make this idea up on his own. Does anyone else remember this game, or did I just make something up?
That was very different when he did that. It was mass hydra with (early defensive) spinecrawlers which then used as support. He did this build vs Huk as well. Anyway....Nesteas build is a lot faster. 2-3 mins faster in fact. With the timing that Nestea had its impossible for protoss to start getting benefits from the FE nexus.
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+1 range weapons before Lair finishes. Nestea has Anypro read here, I think.
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