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On September 22 2011 15:36 LuckyFool wrote:
the same rules apply to huk as to everyone else. If you can't make a match and make no effort to get in touch with an opponent and dont show at the scheduled time your subject to getting walkovered. its simple.
pretty comical they're trying to make you look like the bad guy for simply following rules. lol.
We did follow the rules. We've been in touch with Kollock from WCG pretty much every day for the past week via your website.
We contacted holynorth well before his match against HuK was due to be played. We exchanged 4-5 emails over the course of the day. I informed him that I would keep him updated on the scheduling process, and even gave him my Skype information so that he could contact me in a more immediate fashion.
He replied to our email about getting in touch on Skype by informing me that he had already forfeited HuK.
I'd say that we did pretty much the opposite of "showing no effort to get in touch with an opponent."
Edit: Also, we didn't make any attempts at all to make him "look like the bad guy." He's the one who posted this on TL.
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people have been trying to get free wins vs better players in wcg for the duration of the tourney. Bit odd luckyfool that you'd read a random guys 1 post and go all jerky on the situation.
Alex did a lot more than what others have done to make a match happen in a SC2 tourney.. don't think anyone wants huk to lose because a guy won't work with him on overcoming the time difference.
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I was not aware contact was attempted to be made before the match, the way random guy posted was like he was only contacted after the fact. If emails/msgs were sent beforehand that obviously changes everything.
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On September 22 2011 15:41 EGalex wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 15:36 LuckyFool wrote:
the same rules apply to huk as to everyone else. If you can't make a match and make no effort to get in touch with an opponent and dont show at the scheduled time your subject to getting walkovered. its simple.
pretty comical they're trying to make you look like the bad guy for simply following rules. lol. We did follow the rules. We've been in touch with Kollock from WCG pretty much every day for the past week via your website. We contacted holynorth well before his match against HuK was due to be played. We exchanged 4-5 emails over the course of the day. I informed him that I would keep him updated on the scheduling process, and even gave him my Skype information so that he could contact me in a more immediate fashion. He replied to our email about getting in touch on Skype by informing me that he had already forfeited HuK. I'd say that we did pretty much the opposite of "showing no effort to get in touch with an opponent." Edit: Also, we didn't make any effort at all to make him "look like the bad guy." He's the one who posted this on TL.
Yes, you contacted me 3 and a half hours before the match, thank you for that. You said around 10 eastern, you would let me know. I waited till 11 eastern, no response. I email you asking where he is, and you say tomorrow he can play.
The rules say I am allowed to decline a reschedule request. I, respectfully, did so. I then informed you I submitted the forfeit win and a ticket, and even told you to submit at ticket as well. I have done nothing that the rules of WCG do not allow me to do.
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On September 22 2011 15:54 holynorth wrote:
Yes, you contacted me 3 and a half hours before the match, thank you for that. You said around 10 eastern, you would let me know. I waited till 11 eastern, no response. I email you asking where he is, and you say tomorrow he can play.
The rules say I am allowed to decline a reschedule request. I, respectfully, did so. I then informed you I submitted the forfeit win and a ticket, and even told you to submit at ticket as well. I have done nothing that the rules of WCG do not allow me to do.
We contacted you 3 and a half hours before the match because the entire WCG schedule has been delayed. We contacted you (HuK's potential third round opponent) before HuK's second round match was even played - and I know you know this already because I mentioned it in my very first email to you. I'd say that's pretty courteous and proactive.
Nobody in this thread has accused you of breaking the rules. In fact, if anything, you have been accused of adhering to the rules far too strictly, in an unreasonable fashion, in an obvious attempt to get a cheap win over a top player.
This all started because you came on TL trying to claim that you really wanted to play HuK, when in fact you had just attempted to get a cheap win by submitting a forfeit win ticket to WCG.
Your second post in this thread completely contradicts your first. In your first post, you claim that you'd really like to play HuK in the qualifier. In your second post, you provide a justification for your attempts to not play him via submitting a forfeit win ticket.
At least pick a stance, instead of trying to put forth two mutually exclusive arguments. Either you want to play him, or you're trying to get a forfeit win via adhering strictly to the rules.
Edit: This whole argument is fairly pointless, because WCG admins will probably rule that the match should still be played, since EG has made reasonable good faith attempts to schedule it with you.
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On September 22 2011 15:59 EGalex wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 15:54 holynorth wrote:
Yes, you contacted me 3 and a half hours before the match, thank you for that. You said around 10 eastern, you would let me know. I waited till 11 eastern, no response. I email you asking where he is, and you say tomorrow he can play.
The rules say I am allowed to decline a reschedule request. I, respectfully, did so. I then informed you I submitted the forfeit win and a ticket, and even told you to submit at ticket as well. I have done nothing that the rules of WCG do not allow me to do. We contacted you 3 and a half hours before the match because the entire WCG schedule has been delayed. We contacted you (HuK's potential third round opponent) before HuK's second round match was even played - and I know you know this already because I mentioned it in my very first email to you. I'd say that's pretty courteous and proactive. Nobody in this thread has accused you of breaking the rules. In fact, if anything, you have been accused of adhering to the rules far too strictly, in an unreasonable fashion, in an obvious attempt to get a cheap win over a top player. This all started because you came on TL trying to claim that you really wanted to play HuK, when in fact you had just attempted to get a cheap win by submitting a forfeit win ticket to WCG. Your second post in this thread completely contradicts your first. In your first post, you claim that you'd really like to play HuK in the qualifier. In your second post, you provide a justification for your attempts to not play him via submitting a forfeit win ticket.
No, I'll play huk. I just want to deal with him, not you.
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On September 22 2011 16:00 holynorth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 15:59 EGalex wrote:On September 22 2011 15:54 holynorth wrote:
Yes, you contacted me 3 and a half hours before the match, thank you for that. You said around 10 eastern, you would let me know. I waited till 11 eastern, no response. I email you asking where he is, and you say tomorrow he can play.
The rules say I am allowed to decline a reschedule request. I, respectfully, did so. I then informed you I submitted the forfeit win and a ticket, and even told you to submit at ticket as well. I have done nothing that the rules of WCG do not allow me to do. We contacted you 3 and a half hours before the match because the entire WCG schedule has been delayed. We contacted you (HuK's potential third round opponent) before HuK's second round match was even played - and I know you know this already because I mentioned it in my very first email to you. I'd say that's pretty courteous and proactive. Nobody in this thread has accused you of breaking the rules. In fact, if anything, you have been accused of adhering to the rules far too strictly, in an unreasonable fashion, in an obvious attempt to get a cheap win over a top player. This all started because you came on TL trying to claim that you really wanted to play HuK, when in fact you had just attempted to get a cheap win by submitting a forfeit win ticket to WCG. Your second post in this thread completely contradicts your first. In your first post, you claim that you'd really like to play HuK in the qualifier. In your second post, you provide a justification for your attempts to not play him via submitting a forfeit win ticket. No, I'll play huk. I just want to deal with him, not you.
Sigh, TT.
Edit: I will never learn to not put so much effort into constructing comprehensive points in my forum posts when arguing with people who obviously aren't taking the situation as seriously as I am.
Alex Garfield, a.k.a. "The Most Easily Trolled Guy in the World."
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On September 22 2011 15:59 EGalex wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 15:54 holynorth wrote:
Yes, you contacted me 3 and a half hours before the match, thank you for that. You said around 10 eastern, you would let me know. I waited till 11 eastern, no response. I email you asking where he is, and you say tomorrow he can play.
The rules say I am allowed to decline a reschedule request. I, respectfully, did so. I then informed you I submitted the forfeit win and a ticket, and even told you to submit at ticket as well. I have done nothing that the rules of WCG do not allow me to do. We contacted you 3 and a half hours before the match because the entire WCG schedule has been delayed. We contacted you (HuK's potential third round opponent) before HuK's second round match was even played - and I know you know this already because I mentioned it in my very first email to you. I'd say that's pretty courteous and proactive. Nobody in this thread has accused you of breaking the rules. In fact, if anything, you have been accused of adhering to the rules far too strictly, in an unreasonable fashion, in an obvious attempt to get a cheap win over a top player. This all started because you came on TL trying to claim that you really wanted to play HuK, when in fact you had just attempted to get a cheap win by submitting a forfeit win ticket to WCG. Your second post in this thread completely contradicts your first. In your first post, you claim that you'd really like to play HuK in the qualifier. In your second post, you provide a justification for your attempts to not play him via submitting a forfeit win ticket.
Despite him seemingly being contradictory in his desires, are you seriously accusing him of adhering far too strictly to rules? He's probably going to be seen as the bad guy regardless of whether his actions were within the rules, which he probably is trying to point out.
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No, I'll play huk. I just want to deal with him, not you.
Never mind, I think he just didn't like you 
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Spoiler on latest qualified player
+ Show Spoiler +Congrats QXC, glad to see your training in Korea with FXo has really paid off long term.
This is really crazy btw that there will not be any live finals for WCG USA, not even support to be sent to the Grand Finals. Really glad to hear that Xeris, GTR are trying to rescue this. Hope for the best that WCG will legitimize their attempts and allow these seasoned vets with plenty of experience to take the reins.
Damn there is a lot of drama going on in this thread. Going to stay the fuck away from this.
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I don't want to take any sides here, but with all respect to EG, Huk and his opponent HolyNorth - while I think its not a very good attitude to take a walkover over someone because of his time zone difference, its not his fault.
All he did was within the rules and its completely legit to take the win by walkover. I can't say how long beforehand e-mail contact was because its not transparent to me as I do not have the e-Mails or conversation logs.
In my opinion (and that is towards HolyNorth) you should play the game. I don't know how good you are but I guess you are well behind Huk in terms of skill and even though you did act within the rules, you as well should have an interest in the best players representing your country.
I do not mean to offend you, but do you think you have any shot at an offline national final (which is not yet set up as it seems) because if not, I think it would be a shame to steal a spot from a talented and great player like HuK for the experience of participating in a national final.
Curious how this will end up.
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On September 22 2011 16:04 bigbeau wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 15:59 EGalex wrote:On September 22 2011 15:54 holynorth wrote:
Yes, you contacted me 3 and a half hours before the match, thank you for that. You said around 10 eastern, you would let me know. I waited till 11 eastern, no response. I email you asking where he is, and you say tomorrow he can play.
The rules say I am allowed to decline a reschedule request. I, respectfully, did so. I then informed you I submitted the forfeit win and a ticket, and even told you to submit at ticket as well. I have done nothing that the rules of WCG do not allow me to do. We contacted you 3 and a half hours before the match because the entire WCG schedule has been delayed. We contacted you (HuK's potential third round opponent) before HuK's second round match was even played - and I know you know this already because I mentioned it in my very first email to you. I'd say that's pretty courteous and proactive. Nobody in this thread has accused you of breaking the rules. In fact, if anything, you have been accused of adhering to the rules far too strictly, in an unreasonable fashion, in an obvious attempt to get a cheap win over a top player. This all started because you came on TL trying to claim that you really wanted to play HuK, when in fact you had just attempted to get a cheap win by submitting a forfeit win ticket to WCG. Your second post in this thread completely contradicts your first. In your first post, you claim that you'd really like to play HuK in the qualifier. In your second post, you provide a justification for your attempts to not play him via submitting a forfeit win ticket. Despite him seemingly being contradictory in his desires, are you seriously accusing him of adhering far too strictly to rules? He's probably going to be seen as the bad guy regardless of whether his actions were within the rules, which he probably is trying to point out.
Maybe "strictly" isn't the right word to use. "Literally" is probably the word I'm looking for. Regardless of what the rules page says, WCG admins obviously have always allowed some lenience in scheduling - for all players, not just professionals, or those in Korea. Generally, if you're being really proactive and on top of it in trying to get ahold of your opponent, you're going to be allowed to play the match. The admins want people to play, not get FF wins and losses.
We were, with no exaggeration, in the middle of an email discussion about scheduling the match, when I gave him my Skype information, only to have him reply with the news that he had already forfeited HuK. I explained to him after this that I have been speaking frequently with the WCG admins, and that they had already agreed to be flexible about when the match needed to be played by, and we had at the very least another day to get the match played. He said that this didn't really matter to him, and he was still following the rules. I explained that when an admin from a tournament makes a specific ruling related to a particular situation, it usually overrules the default rulebook.
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I agree with Naruto, why not just play him I mean, do you see yourself as a legitimate contender to win this qualifier? Because I think Huk would think he's a legitimate contender if not favorite for the bracket. Why not just save up the eventual blowup and just play him.
Edit: People are going to say what I just said was ironic since I took a lot of walkovers for people who didn't show up at last years WCG qualifier, but not once did I take a walkover over anybody who has ever won more than 10 games in a single season of iccup. There was one week I was matched up with Lastshadow, and without even logging in or anything I reported the win for him because I knew there was no point in me playing against him or taking away someone with top 4 potential for the qualifier. He ended up not logging on for that qualifier but later thanked me.
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On September 22 2011 16:13 Zlasher wrote:
I agree with Naruto, why not just play him I mean, do you see yourself as a legitimate contender to win this qualifier? Because I think Huk would think he's a legitimate contender if not favorite for the bracket. Why not just save up the eventual blowup and just play him.
Edit: People are going to say what I just said was ironic since I took a lot of walkovers for people who didn't show up at last years WCG qualifier, but not once did I take a walkover over anybody who has ever won more than 10 games in a single season of iccup. There was one week I was matched up with Lastshadow, and without even logging in or anything I reported the win for him because I knew there was no point in me playing against him or taking away someone with top 4 potential for the qualifier. He ended up not logging on for that qualifier but later thanked me.
I said I'll play several times now. I even mentioned in the WCG ticket what time works best for me and that I was just following the rules.
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On September 22 2011 16:18 holynorth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 16:13 Zlasher wrote:
I agree with Naruto, why not just play him I mean, do you see yourself as a legitimate contender to win this qualifier? Because I think Huk would think he's a legitimate contender if not favorite for the bracket. Why not just save up the eventual blowup and just play him.
Edit: People are going to say what I just said was ironic since I took a lot of walkovers for people who didn't show up at last years WCG qualifier, but not once did I take a walkover over anybody who has ever won more than 10 games in a single season of iccup. There was one week I was matched up with Lastshadow, and without even logging in or anything I reported the win for him because I knew there was no point in me playing against him or taking away someone with top 4 potential for the qualifier. He ended up not logging on for that qualifier but later thanked me. I said I'll play several times now. I even mentioned in the WCG ticket what time works best for me and that I was just following the rules.
He just emailed me stating that he will play the match. Let's get off of his back.
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And thus... WCG Drama conclues. If this was 2008 things would be different!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And by different I mean, we'd actually have a tournament and Dino would be writing EZ in pylons, and then ending up losing
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Anyone willing to make a bet on the outcome of Huk v Holynorth?
Generous odds maybe...anyone?
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when will the 2v2 terror of Axslav and Strifeco be playing their finals match? i'd be really interested in the results and replays or vods, but doubt they'll see the light of day.
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gl holynorth, hopefully huk can make the rematch and wont miss it playing soccer
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On September 22 2011 21:28 CptGrackSparrow wrote:
when will the 2v2 terror of Axslav and Strifeco be playing their finals match? i'd be really interested in the results and replays or vods, but doubt they'll see the light of day.
Right now and Axslav is streaming it: http://www.twitch.tv/Axslav
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