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On May 31 2011 04:25 mholden02 wrote:
So dissapointed in Terran play. Its mediocre at best. Diestar didn't cross half map before 18 minutes. If you haven't gotten ahead by 15 minutes as Terran, then your in a losing position. Your probably going to lose. Its not a passive race. If you want to sit in your base all day, play zerg or Protoss.
What is he supposed to do? He was never in a position to move foreward. If zerg can macro and understand to muta harass, tank marine cant really beat muta/bling untill you ahve like 8+ tanks and some medis if the battle is in a open area.
Terran timing pushes are just based on the zerg not having good enough game sense or mechanics.
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On May 31 2011 04:34 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 04:25 mholden02 wrote:
So dissapointed in Terran play. Its mediocre at best. Diestar didn't cross half map before 18 minutes. If you haven't gotten ahead by 15 minutes as Terran, then your in a losing position. Your probably going to lose. Its not a passive race. If you want to sit in your base all day, play zerg or Protoss. What is he supposed to do? He was never in a position to move foreward. If zerg can macro and understand to muta harass, tank marine cant really beat muta/bling untill you ahve like 8+ tanks and some medis if the battle is in a open area. Terran timing pushes are just based on the zerg not having good enough game sense or mechanics.
That's bullshit.
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On May 31 2011 04:34 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 04:25 mholden02 wrote:
So dissapointed in Terran play. Its mediocre at best. Diestar didn't cross half map before 18 minutes. If you haven't gotten ahead by 15 minutes as Terran, then your in a losing position. Your probably going to lose. Its not a passive race. If you want to sit in your base all day, play zerg or Protoss. What is he supposed to do? He was never in a position to move foreward. If zerg can macro and understand to muta harass, tank marine cant really beat muta/bling untill you ahve like 8+ tanks and some medis if the battle is in a open area. Terran timing pushes are just based on the zerg not having good enough game sense or mechanics.
Sounds like you don't know how to play your race correctly, might want to rethink that
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On May 31 2011 04:21 5ukkub wrote:Nice series  Zerg seems to be soo strong lately 0_o Can't wait for the finals!
People are so used to zerg being bad and not win anything, and now that zergs finally have some success, they're imba?
Nerchio is a much better played then Diestar and he practiced a lot during 2011: http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/788178/aAaNerchio
Rank 1 GrandMaster with a 78% win rate, the kid is just insanely good and some of you attribute his success to the zerg race, instead of showing him some respect.
KaS has always been mediocre vs zerg while Morrow is known as the best ZvT player outside Korea. Not a surprising result again. KaS just played a bit sloppy and at the highest level this is unacceptable. He started crying that he lost to an all-in, but zergs have been losing to all-ins since forever.
Please look at who these players are and how they got into the final, before posting brainless bs like "zerg is so strong lately".
+ Show Spoiler +Nothing against you 5ukkub, more posters share your opinion and I'd reply them the same.
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On May 31 2011 05:05 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 04:34 Hider wrote:On May 31 2011 04:25 mholden02 wrote:
So dissapointed in Terran play. Its mediocre at best. Diestar didn't cross half map before 18 minutes. If you haven't gotten ahead by 15 minutes as Terran, then your in a losing position. Your probably going to lose. Its not a passive race. If you want to sit in your base all day, play zerg or Protoss. What is he supposed to do? He was never in a position to move foreward. If zerg can macro and understand to muta harass, tank marine cant really beat muta/bling untill you ahve like 8+ tanks and some medis if the battle is in a open area. Terran timing pushes are just based on the zerg not having good enough game sense or mechanics. That's bullshit.
I'm having a hard time trying to remember when I last saw it working.. Usually when terrans win vs zerg its through getting a very large advantage through 2 rax'ing or hellions or winning outright through an early all-in'ish push.
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Zerg are raping right and left in Europe lol, i wonder if we will see Terrans trying new stuff and adapt or just continue to get crushed with their obsolete strategies.
And Morrow trolling Kas was priceless, yeah 5 bunkers is the deal normally you should know that Kas, it's written in the Terran Bible page 42 
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On May 31 2011 05:20 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 04:21 5ukkub wrote:Nice series Zerg seems to be soo strong lately 0_o Can't wait for the finals! People are so used to zerg being bad and not win anything, and now that zergs finally have some success, they're imba? Nerchio is a much better played then Diestar and he practiced a lot during 2011: http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/788178/aAaNerchioRank 1 GrandMaster with a 78% win rate, the kid is just insanely good and some of you attribute his success to the zerg race, instead of showing him some respect. KaS has always been mediocre vs zerg while Morrow is known as the best ZvT player outside Korea. Not a surprising result again. KaS just played a bit sloppy and at the highest level this is unacceptable. He started crying that he lost to an all-in, but zergs have been losing to all-ins since forever. Please look at who these players are and how they got into the final, before posting brainless bs like "zerg is so strong lately". + Show Spoiler +Nothing against you 5ukkub, more posters share your opinion and I'd reply them the same.
Holy fuck, zerg is strong lately is pretty much a fact. He didn't even have any balance whine in the post. Why did you go all defensive?
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On May 31 2011 05:23 Seronei wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 05:20 cyclone25 wrote:On May 31 2011 04:21 5ukkub wrote:Nice series Zerg seems to be soo strong lately 0_o Can't wait for the finals! People are so used to zerg being bad and not win anything, and now that zergs finally have some success, they're imba? Nerchio is a much better played then Diestar and he practiced a lot during 2011: http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/788178/aAaNerchioRank 1 GrandMaster with a 78% win rate, the kid is just insanely good and some of you attribute his success to the zerg race, instead of showing him some respect. KaS has always been mediocre vs zerg while Morrow is known as the best ZvT player outside Korea. Not a surprising result again. KaS just played a bit sloppy and at the highest level this is unacceptable. He started crying that he lost to an all-in, but zergs have been losing to all-ins since forever. Please look at who these players are and how they got into the final, before posting brainless bs like "zerg is so strong lately". + Show Spoiler +Nothing against you 5ukkub, more posters share your opinion and I'd reply them the same. Holy fuck, zerg is strong lately is pretty much a fact. He didn't even have any balance whine in the post. Why did you go all defensive?
I was about to post the same thing you did. IMO he is just stating an observation and he's right. The statement is neutral in itself and says nothing about balance.
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On May 31 2011 05:23 Seronei wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 05:20 cyclone25 wrote:On May 31 2011 04:21 5ukkub wrote:Nice series Zerg seems to be soo strong lately 0_o Can't wait for the finals! People are so used to zerg being bad and not win anything, and now that zergs finally have some success, they're imba? Nerchio is a much better played then Diestar and he practiced a lot during 2011: http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/788178/aAaNerchioRank 1 GrandMaster with a 78% win rate, the kid is just insanely good and some of you attribute his success to the zerg race, instead of showing him some respect. KaS has always been mediocre vs zerg while Morrow is known as the best ZvT player outside Korea. Not a surprising result again. KaS just played a bit sloppy and at the highest level this is unacceptable. He started crying that he lost to an all-in, but zergs have been losing to all-ins since forever. Please look at who these players are and how they got into the final, before posting brainless bs like "zerg is so strong lately". + Show Spoiler +Nothing against you 5ukkub, more posters share your opinion and I'd reply them the same. Holy fuck, zerg is strong lately is pretty much a fact. He didn't even have any balance whine in the post. Why did you go all defensive?
People are scared to say "zerg imba" because they are afraid of ban. Instead they just post "zerg is so strong lately + smile" to make it look like this wasn't their intention.
Don't you think it's normal to say "Nerchio seems to be so strong lately" instead? Why give the merits to his race instead of him as a player?
Why do you say that zerg is strong lately? I don't see it in the results. I don't think they win more than terran/protoss do. It's just a illusion because people are so used to zerg winning almost nothing.
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Saying zerg is imba when the last patch didn't bring any real change to zerg is just bullshit. I do agree that zerg has been doing very well recently tho now that infestor play is down and that ZvT is slightly zerg favored but it's still a very open match-up (dde winning 4-1 vs Idra for example)
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On May 31 2011 05:30 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 05:23 Seronei wrote:On May 31 2011 05:20 cyclone25 wrote:On May 31 2011 04:21 5ukkub wrote:Nice series Zerg seems to be soo strong lately 0_o Can't wait for the finals! People are so used to zerg being bad and not win anything, and now that zergs finally have some success, they're imba? Nerchio is a much better played then Diestar and he practiced a lot during 2011: http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/788178/aAaNerchioRank 1 GrandMaster with a 78% win rate, the kid is just insanely good and some of you attribute his success to the zerg race, instead of showing him some respect. KaS has always been mediocre vs zerg while Morrow is known as the best ZvT player outside Korea. Not a surprising result again. KaS just played a bit sloppy and at the highest level this is unacceptable. He started crying that he lost to an all-in, but zergs have been losing to all-ins since forever. Please look at who these players are and how they got into the final, before posting brainless bs like "zerg is so strong lately". + Show Spoiler +Nothing against you 5ukkub, more posters share your opinion and I'd reply them the same. Holy fuck, zerg is strong lately is pretty much a fact. He didn't even have any balance whine in the post. Why did you go all defensive? People are scared to say "zerg imba" because they are afraid of ban. Instead they just post "zerg is so strong lately + smile" to make it look like this wasn't their intention. Don't you think it's normal to say "Nerchio seems to be so strong lately" instead? Why give the merits to his race instead of him as a player? Why do you say that zerg is strong lately? I don't see it in the results. I don't think they win more than terran/protoss do. It's just a illusion because people are so used to zerg winning almost nothing.
Zerg players are so funny. When they lose, it's often because of imbalance it seems, but when they win, it is because the players have learned how to play the game and/or the other player played bad, not that the race or the metagame has shifted to zergs favour, IE zerg is imbalanced.
(Note, I'm not saying zerg is imbalanced, I'm just making an observation about the zerg players.)
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On May 31 2011 05:30 cyclone25 wrote:
People are scared to say "zerg imba" because they are afraid of ban. Instead they just post "zerg is so strong lately + smile" to make it look like this wasn't their intention.
Don't you think it's normal to say "Nerchio seems to be so strong lately" instead? Why give the merits to his race instead of him as a player?
Considering Morrow also made the finals I don't see how you can say it's only referring to Nerchio. There has been plenty of good results from zerg the latest weeks and stop shouting balance whine at the first mention of zerg not being underpowered. It's almost as annoying as the balance whine itself.
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On May 31 2011 05:21 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 05:05 nam nam wrote:On May 31 2011 04:34 Hider wrote:On May 31 2011 04:25 mholden02 wrote:
So dissapointed in Terran play. Its mediocre at best. Diestar didn't cross half map before 18 minutes. If you haven't gotten ahead by 15 minutes as Terran, then your in a losing position. Your probably going to lose. Its not a passive race. If you want to sit in your base all day, play zerg or Protoss. What is he supposed to do? He was never in a position to move foreward. If zerg can macro and understand to muta harass, tank marine cant really beat muta/bling untill you ahve like 8+ tanks and some medis if the battle is in a open area. Terran timing pushes are just based on the zerg not having good enough game sense or mechanics. That's bullshit. I'm having a hard time trying to remember when I last saw it working.. Usually when terrans win vs zerg its through getting a very large advantage through 2 rax'ing or hellions or winning outright through an early all-in'ish push.
What do you mean with "working?" There is a lot of timing pushes that terrans do that might not win the game directly but when looking back at the game was the main reason the terrans won. Seems very strange to imply that terran have no way of attacking without going all-in.
On May 31 2011 05:48 Alexl wrote:
Saying zerg is imba when the last patch didn't bring any real change to zerg is just bullshit. I do agree that zerg has been doing very well recently tho now that infestor play is down and that ZvT is slightly zerg favored but it's still a very open match-up (dde winning 4-1 vs Idra for example)
Morrow didn't use infestors in most of the games today but that didn't prevent people from saying Kas lost because of op zerg...
On May 31 2011 05:48 Tokay wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 05:30 cyclone25 wrote:On May 31 2011 05:23 Seronei wrote:On May 31 2011 05:20 cyclone25 wrote:On May 31 2011 04:21 5ukkub wrote:Nice series Zerg seems to be soo strong lately 0_o Can't wait for the finals! People are so used to zerg being bad and not win anything, and now that zergs finally have some success, they're imba? Nerchio is a much better played then Diestar and he practiced a lot during 2011: http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/788178/aAaNerchioRank 1 GrandMaster with a 78% win rate, the kid is just insanely good and some of you attribute his success to the zerg race, instead of showing him some respect. KaS has always been mediocre vs zerg while Morrow is known as the best ZvT player outside Korea. Not a surprising result again. KaS just played a bit sloppy and at the highest level this is unacceptable. He started crying that he lost to an all-in, but zergs have been losing to all-ins since forever. Please look at who these players are and how they got into the final, before posting brainless bs like "zerg is so strong lately". + Show Spoiler +Nothing against you 5ukkub, more posters share your opinion and I'd reply them the same. Holy fuck, zerg is strong lately is pretty much a fact. He didn't even have any balance whine in the post. Why did you go all defensive? People are scared to say "zerg imba" because they are afraid of ban. Instead they just post "zerg is so strong lately + smile" to make it look like this wasn't their intention. Don't you think it's normal to say "Nerchio seems to be so strong lately" instead? Why give the merits to his race instead of him as a player? Why do you say that zerg is strong lately? I don't see it in the results. I don't think they win more than terran/protoss do. It's just a illusion because people are so used to zerg winning almost nothing. Zerg players are so funny. When they lose, it's often because of imbalance it seems, but when they win, it is because the players have learned how to play the game and/or the other player played bad, not that the race or the metagame has shifted to zergs favour, IE zerg is imbalanced. (Note, I'm not saying zerg is imbalanced, I'm just making an observation about the zerg players.)
Really? I find this true about protoss and terrans players as well if you look back at the development of the game. I find it funny how people seem to think that the mindset of people playing of a certain race is so different from the others.
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On May 31 2011 05:30 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 05:23 Seronei wrote:On May 31 2011 05:20 cyclone25 wrote:On May 31 2011 04:21 5ukkub wrote:Nice series Zerg seems to be soo strong lately 0_o Can't wait for the finals! People are so used to zerg being bad and not win anything, and now that zergs finally have some success, they're imba? Nerchio is a much better played then Diestar and he practiced a lot during 2011: http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/788178/aAaNerchioRank 1 GrandMaster with a 78% win rate, the kid is just insanely good and some of you attribute his success to the zerg race, instead of showing him some respect. KaS has always been mediocre vs zerg while Morrow is known as the best ZvT player outside Korea. Not a surprising result again. KaS just played a bit sloppy and at the highest level this is unacceptable. He started crying that he lost to an all-in, but zergs have been losing to all-ins since forever. Please look at who these players are and how they got into the final, before posting brainless bs like "zerg is so strong lately". + Show Spoiler +Nothing against you 5ukkub, more posters share your opinion and I'd reply them the same. Holy fuck, zerg is strong lately is pretty much a fact. He didn't even have any balance whine in the post. Why did you go all defensive? People are scared to say "zerg imba" because they are afraid of ban. Instead they just post "zerg is so strong lately + smile" to make it look like this wasn't their intention. Don't you think it's normal to say "Nerchio seems to be so strong lately" instead? Why give the merits to his race instead of him as a player? Why do you say that zerg is strong lately? I don't see it in the results. I don't think they win more than terran/protoss do. It's just a illusion because people are so used to zerg winning almost nothing.
I understand what you're saying but how would you know?
I could easily have said the same thing and had no intentions of balance in mind without thinking twice. I could also have said Empire is so strong lately because that's also an observation.
Closest to mind comes the tournaments I followed with half an eye just this weekend, they were all won by Zerg-players, Nerchio, Stephano, Moonglade and Deathangel.
You should never guess someones intention and then bash them for your own assumption. I hate when people do that to me. It puts you in a position where if you're right your right, if your wrong your a douchebag to the guy.
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MorroW needs to practice his ZvZ, he's got it in two finals coming up.
Gl, hoping for good games, (that MorroW wins of course ^^)
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On May 31 2011 05:57 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 05:21 m0ck wrote:On May 31 2011 05:05 nam nam wrote:On May 31 2011 04:34 Hider wrote:On May 31 2011 04:25 mholden02 wrote:
So dissapointed in Terran play. Its mediocre at best. Diestar didn't cross half map before 18 minutes. If you haven't gotten ahead by 15 minutes as Terran, then your in a losing position. Your probably going to lose. Its not a passive race. If you want to sit in your base all day, play zerg or Protoss. What is he supposed to do? He was never in a position to move foreward. If zerg can macro and understand to muta harass, tank marine cant really beat muta/bling untill you ahve like 8+ tanks and some medis if the battle is in a open area. Terran timing pushes are just based on the zerg not having good enough game sense or mechanics. That's bullshit. I'm having a hard time trying to remember when I last saw it working.. Usually when terrans win vs zerg its through getting a very large advantage through 2 rax'ing or hellions or winning outright through an early all-in'ish push. What do you mean with "working?" There is a lot of timing pushes that terrans do that might not win the game directly but when looking back at the game was the main reason the terrans won. Seems very strange to imply that terran have no way of attacking without going all-in. Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 05:48 Alexl wrote:
Saying zerg is imba when the last patch didn't bring any real change to zerg is just bullshit. I do agree that zerg has been doing very well recently tho now that infestor play is down and that ZvT is slightly zerg favored but it's still a very open match-up (dde winning 4-1 vs Idra for example) Morrow didn't use infestors in most of the games today but that didn't prevent people from saying Kas lost because of op zerg... Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 05:48 Tokay wrote:On May 31 2011 05:30 cyclone25 wrote:On May 31 2011 05:23 Seronei wrote:On May 31 2011 05:20 cyclone25 wrote:On May 31 2011 04:21 5ukkub wrote:Nice series Zerg seems to be soo strong lately 0_o Can't wait for the finals! People are so used to zerg being bad and not win anything, and now that zergs finally have some success, they're imba? Nerchio is a much better played then Diestar and he practiced a lot during 2011: http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/788178/aAaNerchioRank 1 GrandMaster with a 78% win rate, the kid is just insanely good and some of you attribute his success to the zerg race, instead of showing him some respect. KaS has always been mediocre vs zerg while Morrow is known as the best ZvT player outside Korea. Not a surprising result again. KaS just played a bit sloppy and at the highest level this is unacceptable. He started crying that he lost to an all-in, but zergs have been losing to all-ins since forever. Please look at who these players are and how they got into the final, before posting brainless bs like "zerg is so strong lately". + Show Spoiler +Nothing against you 5ukkub, more posters share your opinion and I'd reply them the same. Holy fuck, zerg is strong lately is pretty much a fact. He didn't even have any balance whine in the post. Why did you go all defensive? People are scared to say "zerg imba" because they are afraid of ban. Instead they just post "zerg is so strong lately + smile" to make it look like this wasn't their intention. Don't you think it's normal to say "Nerchio seems to be so strong lately" instead? Why give the merits to his race instead of him as a player? Why do you say that zerg is strong lately? I don't see it in the results. I don't think they win more than terran/protoss do. It's just a illusion because people are so used to zerg winning almost nothing. Zerg players are so funny. When they lose, it's often because of imbalance it seems, but when they win, it is because the players have learned how to play the game and/or the other player played bad, not that the race or the metagame has shifted to zergs favour, IE zerg is imbalanced. (Note, I'm not saying zerg is imbalanced, I'm just making an observation about the zerg players.) Really? I find this true about protoss and terrans players as well if you look back at the development of the game. I find it funny how people seem to think that the mindset of people playing of a certain race is so different from the others.
Well, in my experience zerg players are most vocal about imbalance, thats why it's funny how they react now.
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On May 31 2011 06:08 Tokay wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 05:57 nam nam wrote:On May 31 2011 05:21 m0ck wrote:On May 31 2011 05:05 nam nam wrote:On May 31 2011 04:34 Hider wrote:On May 31 2011 04:25 mholden02 wrote:
So dissapointed in Terran play. Its mediocre at best. Diestar didn't cross half map before 18 minutes. If you haven't gotten ahead by 15 minutes as Terran, then your in a losing position. Your probably going to lose. Its not a passive race. If you want to sit in your base all day, play zerg or Protoss. What is he supposed to do? He was never in a position to move foreward. If zerg can macro and understand to muta harass, tank marine cant really beat muta/bling untill you ahve like 8+ tanks and some medis if the battle is in a open area. Terran timing pushes are just based on the zerg not having good enough game sense or mechanics. That's bullshit. I'm having a hard time trying to remember when I last saw it working.. Usually when terrans win vs zerg its through getting a very large advantage through 2 rax'ing or hellions or winning outright through an early all-in'ish push. What do you mean with "working?" There is a lot of timing pushes that terrans do that might not win the game directly but when looking back at the game was the main reason the terrans won. Seems very strange to imply that terran have no way of attacking without going all-in. On May 31 2011 05:48 Alexl wrote:
Saying zerg is imba when the last patch didn't bring any real change to zerg is just bullshit. I do agree that zerg has been doing very well recently tho now that infestor play is down and that ZvT is slightly zerg favored but it's still a very open match-up (dde winning 4-1 vs Idra for example) Morrow didn't use infestors in most of the games today but that didn't prevent people from saying Kas lost because of op zerg... On May 31 2011 05:48 Tokay wrote:On May 31 2011 05:30 cyclone25 wrote:On May 31 2011 05:23 Seronei wrote:On May 31 2011 05:20 cyclone25 wrote:On May 31 2011 04:21 5ukkub wrote:Nice series Zerg seems to be soo strong lately 0_o Can't wait for the finals! People are so used to zerg being bad and not win anything, and now that zergs finally have some success, they're imba? Nerchio is a much better played then Diestar and he practiced a lot during 2011: http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/788178/aAaNerchioRank 1 GrandMaster with a 78% win rate, the kid is just insanely good and some of you attribute his success to the zerg race, instead of showing him some respect. KaS has always been mediocre vs zerg while Morrow is known as the best ZvT player outside Korea. Not a surprising result again. KaS just played a bit sloppy and at the highest level this is unacceptable. He started crying that he lost to an all-in, but zergs have been losing to all-ins since forever. Please look at who these players are and how they got into the final, before posting brainless bs like "zerg is so strong lately". + Show Spoiler +Nothing against you 5ukkub, more posters share your opinion and I'd reply them the same. Holy fuck, zerg is strong lately is pretty much a fact. He didn't even have any balance whine in the post. Why did you go all defensive? People are scared to say "zerg imba" because they are afraid of ban. Instead they just post "zerg is so strong lately + smile" to make it look like this wasn't their intention. Don't you think it's normal to say "Nerchio seems to be so strong lately" instead? Why give the merits to his race instead of him as a player? Why do you say that zerg is strong lately? I don't see it in the results. I don't think they win more than terran/protoss do. It's just a illusion because people are so used to zerg winning almost nothing. Zerg players are so funny. When they lose, it's often because of imbalance it seems, but when they win, it is because the players have learned how to play the game and/or the other player played bad, not that the race or the metagame has shifted to zergs favour, IE zerg is imbalanced. (Note, I'm not saying zerg is imbalanced, I'm just making an observation about the zerg players.) Really? I find this true about protoss and terrans players as well if you look back at the development of the game. I find it funny how people seem to think that the mindset of people playing of a certain race is so different from the others. Well, in my experience zerg players are most vocal about imbalance, thats why it's funny how they react now.
They're most vocal for a reason :D
Anyway, let's just end this here. All I wanted to say is that we should show players more respect and not point towards their race when they win. I explained why Morrow/Nerchio were favorites to win today and anyone who saw the games know they earned their wins and didn't won on imbalance + Show Spoiler +like Dde did vs IdrA yesterday on Meta /jk <3
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Dailymotion Cup - GRAND FINALS - 5.000€ TONIGHT 20:30 !
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3rd place is postponed due to Kas
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How is BigT as a commentator? I personally don't like VampireLady, but if BigT is good I will probably watch it.
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