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MBH
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland796 Posts
April 13 2011 10:46 GMT
#4441
Seems so.

Tune in at 18:00 your time for the UK broadcast.
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
April 13 2011 10:50 GMT
#4442
Ok, the VODs are 1080p and there is no fucking way for me to watch in that aspect ratio, it would take me about 3 hours to load a VOD in that quality. Is there any plans for lower quality VODs being uploaded?
BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
April 13 2011 10:52 GMT
#4443
The VODs are so laggy. I have buffered the entire VOD, yet there is huge and very noticeable lag in the video.

Hope this gets fixed.
xlnt
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden106 Posts
April 13 2011 10:54 GMT
#4444
The only problem I have is the loading times for the 1080p stream, I feel like there should be a way for NASL to ask for more dedicated hosts from justin to help with this cause.

Other than that, perfect vods, a few BNET lag issues, but nothing major 'cept last game..
And I love the fact that there are no spoilers at all in the splitup parts on justin, usually you can see how long every game is before it's starting etc, altho you could see how long the series are gonna be, you don't know which game is gonna be a long one..

Well spent money for my part, especially if they keep it up (and will probably only get better)

Thanks NASL! >
roxxor?
Floydian
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom374 Posts
April 13 2011 10:54 GMT
#4445
On April 13 2011 16:13 esperanto wrote:
To the europeans asking for vods without a pass, there is a rebroadcast every day.
+ Show Spoiler [Rebroadcast Schedule for Europe] +
[image loading]


Thanks NASL for this option.


Is it just me or is this wrong? The UK is on British Summer Time (BST) now since then clocks moved forward, so the UK is on GMT+1 over the summer. So it's actually 7pm UK time the first match starts I think.
FinBenton
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland870 Posts
April 13 2011 10:58 GMT
#4446
No paypal will take many customers away, including me.
machete
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany23 Posts
April 13 2011 11:02 GMT
#4447
Why can't I pay with PayPal?! I don't own a credit card!

sucks.
I transitioned into losing my hole =§%) base
Bosko
Profile Joined February 2010
United States155 Posts
April 13 2011 11:05 GMT
#4448
Paying $25 to watch esports seems like the opposite of supporting esports. It seems like supporting whoever is hosting the tournament and hurting the community. Make your money from ad revenue like other sports, and stop milking the fans.
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 11:13:52
April 13 2011 11:06 GMT
#4449
So much hate in this thread.....

I think Gretorp did a great job! He's not the best caster in the world, but is he the most experienced caster in the world? Of course not. He's already good and will only get better casting for hours every day. I think he goes well with InControl too.

If you want his casting to be improved, try constructive criticism. If people turn out to have the same concerns as you, they will agree with you and surely Gretorp will try to improve those particular aspects of his casting. No need to get insane saying "GRETORP SHOULDN'T CAST A MAJOR TOURNAMENT HE MADE A FEW MINOR MISTAKES" he did better than the average caster and it is only a matter of time before his casting- and the entire production of the show- become top notch.

I do think lag was an issue though =/ but this seems to be out of the NASL's hands =( hopefully it gets better.

Great games though, missed the last two but I really enjoyed watching the first three games and enjoyed the casting as well. Didn't mind the few commercials and the LQ stream was pretty decent, but I will definitely consider buying a season pass for the VODs and HQ stream; seems worth it considering the sheer number of high level games. I really do hope they find a way to minimize lag though...

It's hard to judge everything after one day, yet try to voice your concerns in the form of construction criticism!

On April 13 2011 20:05 Bosko wrote:
Paying $25 to watch esports seems like the opposite of supporting esports. It seems like supporting whoever is hosting the tournament and hurting the community. Make your money from ad revenue like other sports, and stop milking the fans.


E-Sports doesn't have enough publicity to support 1) a studio 2) casters and studio personnel 3) prize pool 4) bandwidth cost and other website, vod storage cost and so on. 5) did i mention an enormous prize pool?

Yes there is publicity, and yes you could get it for free, yet the HQ stream would be 320p, the prize pool would be 20k, and the production value would be terrible, and pro players wouldn't waste their time. It'll grow though, but for now this isn't a televised event that has more than 100,000k viewers in a local area. In the whole world there was what, 25000k viewers? Not nearly as big as ANY televised sport yet so we have to inject money into it. It sucks but that's how business works. They're not milking the fan, they just wouldn't make any money from ad revenue with amount of money this production cost.
Try another route paperboy.
zivac
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia389 Posts
April 13 2011 11:10 GMT
#4450
1080P is tooo much, it loads so laggy, and i think justin.tv server is to blame for that, not our connection speeds
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
April 13 2011 11:15 GMT
#4451
On April 13 2011 20:10 zivac wrote:
1080P is tooo much, it loads so laggy, and i think justin.tv server is to blame for that, not our connection speeds


My connection can't handle 1080p, even if it is Jtv server issues. They should at least have a lower aspect ratio like other VOD services.
zivac
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia389 Posts
April 13 2011 11:22 GMT
#4452
On April 13 2011 20:15 WArped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 20:10 zivac wrote:
1080P is tooo much, it loads so laggy, and i think justin.tv server is to blame for that, not our connection speeds


My connection can't handle 1080p, even if it is Jtv server issues. They should at least have a lower aspect ratio like other VOD services.


yes, ofcourse i agree there should be more options, i had to privately upload vods to youtube with link and then watch it in 720p which worked fine, but its really pain in the ass if i have to do that after paying 25$ for show
Pippi
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden540 Posts
April 13 2011 11:31 GMT
#4453
MorroW is like, yeah, I can win this + Show Spoiler +
and he does
. The crowd is like omg zerg isn't supposed to do that! They should be played not to play. MorroW is bad. "Ohh herro I'm naive".
Toast and coffe
Sixes
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 11:39:52
April 13 2011 11:37 GMT
#4454
On April 13 2011 19:38 Ocedic wrote:

It could be a thousand matches and I wouldn't find it worth it. Quite simply I'll never pay to watch StarCraft. The production values are lower than Dreamhack which was free, so I don't get where you're seeing this value. You can spin it however you want: it's 3 months of content, you're supporting esports, blah blah blah. Those are nothing more than marketing ploys to get sheep like you to feel good about parting with your money.

Oh, and I can easily afford it too. Just simply not going to buy a product that is not worth the money. Perhaps one day people might understand that concept.


I don't know about where you live but around here it's $12-13 for a movie in theatres and $6-7 per beer at the bar, quite frankly $25 for something to watch with breakfast every day is well worth it ...

If you genuinely never spend on anything that is just entertainment you must lead a pretty boring life, and as entertainment goes this is cheap.

Edit: on a technical note VODs are up and loading really well for me in good quality, just watched all the games and there were some pretty good ones. Commentators aren't the best due to their relative lack of practice casting (when compared with Tastosis or Day9) but it works out fine.
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 11:41:36
April 13 2011 11:38 GMT
#4455
if you dont punish the other races for being greedy once in a while you end up losing to them in macro games because they cheated the early game with abuse and big risks. when you see july or me for that matter cheese, or even idra its not out of desperation, you need to do it once in a while or you end up like me vs tt1 in iccup ladder where he took 4 nexuses off of 1 gateway lol

if you see a guy constantly winning with aggression early game you shouldnt tell him to grow a pair and play real, in reality its the guy that cant defend that has to learn how to defend it or stop taking so big risks in early game

anyhow i like nasl so far, ive already told them what i think about the latency issues from EU to KOR and im sure they know it by now. you guys shouldnt complain or blame NASL for it. remember it was you guys who wanted players from all over the world and the koreans knew aswell that it would lag alot for them to play. it also lags alot for the european to play vs koreans too which many doesnt even think about.
if i was living in korea i wouldnt participate in foreigner events. i would go to lans like MC or ace instead.

in the future i think people are going to realize its not playable to have 3 different regions batteling online and i think we will only have koreans vs foreigners at lans instead. encourage people who organize lans to invite koreans rather than online leagues or tournaments imo
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
zasda
Profile Joined March 2011
381 Posts
April 13 2011 11:40 GMT
#4456
On April 13 2011 20:06 Steel wrote:
So much hate in this thread.....

I think Gretorp did a great job! He's not the best caster in the world, but is he the most experienced caster in the world? Of course not. He's already good and will only get better casting for hours every day. I think he goes well with InControl too.

If you want his casting to be improved, try constructive criticism. If people turn out to have the same concerns as you, they will agree with you and surely Gretorp will try to improve those particular aspects of his casting. No need to get insane saying "GRETORP SHOULDN'T CAST A MAJOR TOURNAMENT HE MADE A FEW MINOR MISTAKES" he did better than the average caster and it is only a matter of time before his casting- and the entire production of the show- become top notch.

I do think lag was an issue though =/ but this seems to be out of the NASL's hands =( hopefully it gets better.

Great games though, missed the last two but I really enjoyed watching the first three games and enjoyed the casting as well. Didn't mind the few commercials and the LQ stream was pretty decent, but I will definitely consider buying a season pass for the VODs and HQ stream; seems worth it considering the sheer number of high level games. I really do hope they find a way to minimize lag though...

It's hard to judge everything after one day, yet try to voice your concerns in the form of construction criticism!

Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 20:05 Bosko wrote:
Paying $25 to watch esports seems like the opposite of supporting esports. It seems like supporting whoever is hosting the tournament and hurting the community. Make your money from ad revenue like other sports, and stop milking the fans.


E-Sports doesn't have enough publicity to support 1) a studio 2) casters and studio personnel 3) prize pool 4) bandwidth cost and other website, vod storage cost and so on. 5) did i mention an enormous prize pool?

Yes there is publicity, and yes you could get it for free, yet the HQ stream would be 320p, the prize pool would be 20k, and the production value would be terrible, and pro players wouldn't waste their time. It'll grow though, but for now this isn't a televised event that has more than 100,000k viewers in a local area. In the whole world there was what, 25000k viewers? Not nearly as big as ANY televised sport yet so we have to inject money into it. It sucks but that's how business works. They're not milking the fan, they just wouldn't make any money from ad revenue with amount of money this production cost.

haha im pretty sure 20k would be more than enough to attract any pro gamer, buddy.
zivac
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia389 Posts
April 13 2011 11:41 GMT
#4457
On April 13 2011 20:38 MorroW wrote:
if you dont punish the other races for being greedy once in a while you end up losing to them in macro games because they cheated the early game with abuse and big risks. when you see july or me for that matter cheese, or even idra its not out of desperation, you need to do it once in a while or you end up like me vs tt1 in iccup ladder where he took 4 nexuses off of 1 gateway lol

anyhow i like nasl so far, ive already told them what i think about the latency issues from EU to KOR and im sure they know it by now. you guys shouldnt complain or blame NASL for it. remember it was you guys who wanted players from all over the world and the koreans knew aswell that it would lag alot for them to play. it also lags alot for the european to play vs koreans too which many doesnt even think about.
if i was living in korea i wouldnt participate in foreigner events. i would go to lans like MC or ace instead.

in the future i think people are going to realize its not playable to have 3 different regions batteling online and i think we will only have koreans vs foreigners at lans instead. encourage people who organize lans to invite koreans rather than online leagues or tournaments imo


every game is played on NA server? even if 2 koreans or 2 europeans are playing each other?
aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
April 13 2011 11:41 GMT
#4458
On April 13 2011 20:05 Bosko wrote:
Paying $25 to watch esports seems like the opposite of supporting esports. It seems like supporting whoever is hosting the tournament and hurting the community. Make your money from ad revenue like other sports, and stop milking the fans.

I am paying $30something a month to watch soccer, so ... I dunno. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
dani`
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands2402 Posts
April 13 2011 11:43 GMT
#4459
So you can still only buy an HD pass with a credit card O_O? That's a deal breaker, seeing how I do not own one and would have loved to buy one with PayPal...
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 11:44:09
April 13 2011 11:43 GMT
#4460
Has the NASL got an official forum and if not are they going to get one? Seems pointless bringing up technical issues and concerns here.
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