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gladsheim
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia676 Posts
April 12 2011 17:56 GMT
#6721
I hope EG has a long talk with idra after that display
EZmark
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada31 Posts
April 12 2011 17:56 GMT
#6722
I think this is so stupid... half you guys probably not Zerg players are giving him shit for 6 pooling when you gave July mad props for doing it... its a valid stratgy especially with scouting techniques and paterns with protoss on 2 players maps...

I think the main concern I have with game one was the ease at which a 200 / 200 army can demolish a zerg army and completely end the game... even a fungal baneling drop which is APm intensive and difficult to execute properly doesnt do as much damage as a moving collosus and spamming T to storm... well completely negating all damage to the protoss army with force fields...

If a zerg army does considerably damage to a Protoss or Terran army it doesnt end the game... a few cannons a couple warped in sentries or tanks behind walls make following up on a huge win pretty hard without possibly hurting yourself more... were as protoss, terran and even zerg in a mirror match win one big engagment on your side of the map and the games pretty much over since your re inenforcing from all over the map... Why do you think we see so many zerg just base trade late game ?


Also a "good" protoss can defend against cute drops and nydus'... you all says omg be diverse... stop watching Spanisiwa stomp shitties on the ladder because it doesnt work like that at this level...

Not sure why Tylers so angry... its clear as day that late game zerg is shit...and cant trade cost effectively with any other 200 200 army without extremely cute and mico intensive play all well hoping your oppenent isn't lookign at his army.
What if you tried your best and DIDN'T succeed.
Karthane
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1183 Posts
April 12 2011 17:56 GMT
#6723
On April 13 2011 02:53 joheinous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 02:50 Steamroller wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:45 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:43 oo inflame oo wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr.


what else is he supposed to do?

his job


Funny, anyone else giving this kind of answers would get banned.


which is why it's great that tyler takes the time to answer in LR threads. He's pretty much just saying what's on everybody's mind that aren't unreasonably biased towards idra/zerg. Thanks tyler^^

Hoping that sjow wins vs whitera, even though I'm a huge whitera fan but we've seen him vs. mc twice in a short time period now and would really like to see where sjow stands in regards to MC.


Did you ever stop to think that maybe the protosses are just as equally biased?

What i don't understand is that when, for instance, Huk is interviewed about PvZ balance he always says

"Well, i don't think it's imbalanced, but i do think Zerg is much harder to play and it's harder for zerg to win"

Uhm...so basically you are saying it's imbalanced.
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
April 12 2011 17:56 GMT
#6724
Whoa whoa whoa. Idra cheeses and he has "given up," and is "trying to be a martyr?" He's said himself that cheese is a strong option if you believe you're playing someone better than you. He's certainly not known for it, but it's not like he's never all-in'd at a major tournament before.

I guess everyone who cheeses now is just "throwing games away on purpose."
Lush
Profile Joined May 2010
United States657 Posts
April 12 2011 17:56 GMT
#6725
On April 13 2011 02:55 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 02:47 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
uhhhhhhhhhhh

IdrA throws away 3-4 queens a few ovies and some drones vs a phoenix opening... has MC on the ropes but then stops attacking...

IdrA gets 7 bl's and sticks his army in a choke spot and dies easily "PVZ IMBALANCED!"

MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions. Late on infesters as well. Had he waited for infesters and massed some bl's while harrassing the expos with lings or something he'd be fine and that is ONLY after him NOT throwing 4 base of production into 2 collo (idra had corruptors out) and 5 stalkers...

The thing that pisses me off the most though is that OK so you make a mistake at the end and it costs you the game.. why give up on game 2? You had him on the ropes like 3 separate times EVEN IF you want to argue "I can't win!" you at least came REALLY REALLY close vs the best fucking protoss on the planet... what more do you want? Give game 2 a try jesus


Maybe you should actually play a game from a zergs perspective. I'm getting so tired of protoss players, pros or not, throwing their opinion around when they have never actually expierenced it

His Zerg is really good and he definitely has experience



Ah, my post is moot then. Incontrol does know how it feels lol
"you play that nerdy game?"
CptGrackSparrow
Profile Joined February 2011
United States278 Posts
April 12 2011 17:56 GMT
#6726
On April 13 2011 02:53 haffy wrote:
How did Idra throw away game 2? Did he just quit when his 6 pool got scouted or something? My internet went down before it started ;/.


he 6 pooled on xel'naga. i think thats something like a 5% success rate. especially when considering MC is up 1-0 and will somewhat be suspicious of cheese.

if it were a different map (scrap station?) i'd be a little more forgiving of his choice.
buscemi
Profile Joined April 2011
116 Posts
April 12 2011 17:56 GMT
#6727
On April 13 2011 02:53 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 02:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:40 ImHuko wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr.

Only the protoss are arguing against it, he isn't a martyr, he literally can not win. Like I said before, MC said he will never lose to a zerg, unless they nerf. When the best protoss player literally says I like the nerfs because I want to win fairly, you have to believe it.

if you cant see how idra could have won game 1, you are lost

All I can see is the same situation happening over and over again in PVZ ( zergs losing from a 80 supply lead), and it doesn't matter if its mc or cruncher or jackdoane the surfist.


He lost from an 80 supply lead because he didn't do anything for the next three minutes.
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
April 12 2011 17:56 GMT
#6728
On April 13 2011 02:53 FOUTWENTYSIXTY wrote:
Whatever people might feel about racial imbalance it doesn't excuse a professional entertainer throwing his toys out of his pram at a paid event. If you went to a tennis match where someone was playing the world champion and he threw the last set you would ask for your money back and you'd be right to do so.

Idra makes every other professional player look bad by not playing to his full ability.


No he did not throw the game away. People are allowed to cheese.
Deception-35
Profile Joined February 2011
United States113 Posts
April 12 2011 17:56 GMT
#6729
well Dreamhack is over for me. Its to bad IdrA just decided to throw the game away. but i guess i understand
Endure
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada287 Posts
April 12 2011 17:56 GMT
#6730
All he's really showing is that anyone who wants to all in him first game will put him on a massive tilt, not that it's already known but he got over it for a bit and it's back again.
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
April 12 2011 17:56 GMT
#6731
Man i wish this torunament would happen tomorrow... We would get also delicious NASL trolling...
BadWithNames
Profile Joined April 2010
United States441 Posts
April 12 2011 17:56 GMT
#6732
On April 13 2011 02:53 Beyonder wrote:
Would actually love to see Idra get some mental coaching. His mental condition really holds him back and affects his results. Less anger is needed T_T


IdrA wouldn't know what to do without anger. Less? Maybe. Redirection of it, definitely.
One year in Seoul...yesh please
Toxi78
Profile Joined May 2010
966 Posts
April 12 2011 17:56 GMT
#6733
On April 13 2011 02:54 tdt wrote:
Please ban the balance trolls who manage to screw up every LR thread. And team liquid should stop registration from spoof accounts too (gmail, hotmail etc..) real ISPs only so they don't come back.


such a genius,i guess TL staff are gonna spend their next 6 months to identify all the ISPs on the planet, yes you're not alone on earth america.
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
April 12 2011 17:56 GMT
#6734
On April 13 2011 02:51 RavenCC wrote:
You guys act like IdrA made a "stupid mistake that cost him the game." He didnt. Game was lost regardless of what happened to the brood lords, and anyone paying attention to the battle knows that.

Tyler just keep on preachin', I'm sure you're gonna make lots of converts. If you're lucky the heavens will allow TL to get past the first round in the next tournament.


Obvious troll is obvious.
Don't start shitting on people, especially if they're one of the icons of the game, if you don't even have a counter argument.
From what I saw (I'm in diamond so take it with a grain of salt) Idra could've won if he remaxed on roaches instead of hydras and just went fast for a bust. I don't think MC could've held it with nearly no sentries and no collosi.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
Horse...falcon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1851 Posts
April 12 2011 17:56 GMT
#6735
Only Idra Hate/Love could inspire 100 pages of debate/drama while another great game is going on.
Artosis: "From horsssse....falcon"
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
April 12 2011 17:56 GMT
#6736
On April 13 2011 02:54 teacash wrote:
guys Idra did not throw the bloody game..
He knew how difficult MC was, especially on Xel Naga, and took a chance at the 6-P

Stop saying he threw the game. Yeah his frustration and fatigue from the first game prolly contributed to his choosing to 6-P, but by no means did he throw the game.
Naga is bloody hard vs MC as zerg. no denying that. He took a chance and it failed

It's throwing it against the fastest scouter in the planet. MC scouts after first probe
MC for president
Aelfric
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Turkey1496 Posts
April 12 2011 17:56 GMT
#6737
I think that Idra gave up because he kinda deeply wants to get global community and blizzard's attention over pvz. He is pissed and can't handle it so he want things to change quit so he creates a "bigger" drama.
Tomorrow never comes until its too late...
Gunman_csz
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United Arab Emirates492 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 18:02:15
April 12 2011 17:56 GMT
#6738
Its hard for zerg to fight near the watch towers near the gold. The warpgate reinforcements with blink and superior range annihilate incoming forces... and add to that the slow ass movement of different units of zerg just makes it even worse.. there is no swarm when hydra reinforcements move at the speed of a slug
Began Starcraft journey on 5th May 2009
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
April 12 2011 17:57 GMT
#6739
Can people stop saying "Idra lost to himself"? Yeah he obviously made so really big mistakes but statements like that seem to take away from the fact that MC played really bloody well.
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
April 12 2011 17:57 GMT
#6740
On April 13 2011 02:50 xza wrote:
this is so funny, zerg and terran players after seeing how Jinro and IdrA get both knocked out after literally owning the entire match are stating their point about imbalance, then here we see protoss 'idols' come out to defend and flaming everyone else who disagrees with them.

No, there was a time where protoss couldnt win to save their lives, and i dont remember tyler complaining, and iNcontroll was just frustrated that his teammate threw away a series. Until someone plays a perfect game and losses, we cannot just give up and demand a patch. Yeah the collo death ball sucks, I am terran i understand, but we just have to find a way to beat it.
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
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