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dutpotd
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada49 Posts
April 12 2011 17:47 GMT
#6541
Cannon rush song? Are they implying Idra should have off-raced a cannon rush against MC

Seriously though, Idra could have won game 1 he just needed to hit a timing with Hydras before the storm came up and right after clearing the Collosus. A quicker transition to Broodlords timed to the defeat of the Collosus would have also been deadly, same thing with some ling harrass, or drops.

I don't think a 6 pool was the right idea on Xel. I could see it being the right decision on a 4 player map, but with one scout position, a small ramp, MC 9 pylon scouting often... I just don't agree with it no matter how frustrated you are... Do a roach rush or baneling build or some other 1 base cheese, but the 6 pool = yuck in that situation.
“Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today.”
joheinous
Profile Joined August 2010
Iceland522 Posts
April 12 2011 17:47 GMT
#6542
On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
uhhhhhhhhhhh

IdrA throws away 3-4 queens a few ovies and some drones vs a phoenix opening... has MC on the ropes but then stops attacking...

IdrA gets 7 bl's and sticks his army in a choke spot and dies easily "PVZ IMBALANCED!"

MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions. Late on infesters as well. Had he waited for infesters and massed some bl's while harrassing the expos with lings or something he'd be fine and that is ONLY after him NOT throwing 4 base of production into 2 collo (idra had corruptors out) and 5 stalkers...

The thing that pisses me off the most though is that OK so you make a mistake at the end and it costs you the game.. why give up on game 2? You had him on the ropes like 3 separate times EVEN IF you want to argue "I can't win!" you at least came REALLY REALLY close vs the best fucking protoss on the planet... what more do you want? Give game 2 a try jesus


qft. thanks for taking the time and putting into words what sensible people were thinking(and adding some ofc^^). btw nasl coming up tonight... wouldn't want to follow this show:D but seriously this day was made for sc2 fans.
Everything is self-evident
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
April 12 2011 17:47 GMT
#6543
MC won the game fair and square. What did he abuse?
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Mephiztopheles1
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
1124 Posts
April 12 2011 17:47 GMT
#6544
On April 13 2011 02:39 Hyperionnn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr.


agreed with this, mc won because hes just the better player, thats it


I agree and disagree, 6 pooling in that map is giving up, IdrA knew it, any zerg knows it. IdrA probably knew it was most likely 3gate expand with pressure or straight up 4gate, since that's what MC does in that map and still chose to 6pool in a map where MC always sends his probe after pylon.
MC, is a better player overall (2 GSL to prove that) but to deny IdrA played better than MC on game one of Metal and still got raped by the blink stalker late game without actually making much damage, is like saying ZvP is completely balanced. Haters go "he didn't drop, or nydus, boooooo" Dropping or nydus'ing against blink stalkers, really? Maybe at a platinum level your opponent won't have a fast reaction time, but this is a pro-gaming level tournament, no chance in hell a drop would have worked, not to mention how all-in-ish they are at that point of the game.
ImHuko
Profile Joined December 2010
United States996 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 17:49:04
April 12 2011 17:47 GMT
#6545
On April 13 2011 02:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 02:40 ImHuko wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr.

Only the protoss are arguing against it, he isn't a martyr, he literally can not win. Like I said before, MC said he will never lose to a zerg, unless they nerf. When the best protoss player literally says I like the nerfs because I want to win fairly, you have to believe it.

if you cant see how idra could have won game 1, you are lost

You analysis a game with complete map vision and knowing the outcome, and you usually analyize from the loser perspective to see what he could have done. MC made tons of mistakes (which you can't punish protoss for if they have sentries) The way MC put up his defense, you can not crack it. Blink/Collosus can defend any drops, and sentries can COMPLETELY STOP any attacks with the chokes at watchtowers

I know you dislike MC playstyle etc etc, but when the BEST protoss says its impossible to lose to Zerg, it is a bit silly when another protoss comes out and says silly things.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 17:48:08
April 12 2011 17:47 GMT
#6546
Im kind of curious as to what the EG managment thinks of one of their player purposely throwing a game away because he's "fed up" with the game balance.

I'm kind of worried about Idras status in EG or as a pro player in general to be honest, I would not be surprised if he just takes a extended break from the game really soon.

"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Ramboness
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden99 Posts
April 12 2011 17:47 GMT
#6547
WHITE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Zerg - greZ
Seldon
Profile Joined March 2011
90 Posts
April 12 2011 17:48 GMT
#6548
On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr.


Though partially it may have been he just giving up, I think he proved a point. Not participating in something that you consider unfair is encouraged in society (e.g: most democracies have a blank vote), why is this any different? I don't know for certain if Idra is right in thinking that Protoss is broken because I'm not a progamer (though I suspect he's right), but if he really thinks it is, dropping a game like that is a smart way to get the point across. I'd do it. Not even trying when there's so much money on the line shows that he seriously believes what he says.
SolHeiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1264 Posts
April 12 2011 17:48 GMT
#6549
On April 13 2011 02:47 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
uhhhhhhhhhhh

IdrA throws away 3-4 queens a few ovies and some drones vs a phoenix opening... has MC on the ropes but then stops attacking...

IdrA gets 7 bl's and sticks his army in a choke spot and dies easily "PVZ IMBALANCED!"

MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions. Late on infesters as well. Had he waited for infesters and massed some bl's while harrassing the expos with lings or something he'd be fine and that is ONLY after him NOT throwing 4 base of production into 2 collo (idra had corruptors out) and 5 stalkers...

The thing that pisses me off the most though is that OK so you make a mistake at the end and it costs you the game.. why give up on game 2? You had him on the ropes like 3 separate times EVEN IF you want to argue "I can't win!" you at least came REALLY REALLY close vs the best fucking protoss on the planet... what more do you want? Give game 2 a try jesus


Maybe you should actually play a game from a zergs perspective. I'm getting so tired of protoss players, pros or not, throwing their opinion around when they have never actually expierenced it


Ironically that iNcontroL's offrace Zerg is better than most high Masters. Please, do some research before you bash a player.
Logo2010
Profile Joined October 2010
509 Posts
April 12 2011 17:48 GMT
#6550
What song is that now? Sounds like Sophie Ellis Bextor.
Freebirdo7
Profile Joined February 2011
United States163 Posts
April 12 2011 17:48 GMT
#6551
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
uhhhhhhhhhhh

IdrA throws away 3-4 queens a few ovies and some drones vs a phoenix opening... has MC on the ropes but then stops attacking...

IdrA gets 7 bl's and sticks his army in a choke spot and dies easily "PVZ IMBALANCED!"

MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions. Late on infesters as well. Had he waited for infesters and massed some bl's while harrassing the expos with lings or something he'd be fine and that is ONLY after him NOT throwing 4 base of production into 2 collo (idra had corruptors out) and 5 stalkers...

The thing that pisses me off the most though is that OK so you make a mistake at the end and it costs you the game.. why give up on game 2? You had him on the ropes like 3 separate times EVEN IF you want to argue "I can't win!" you at least came REALLY REALLY close vs the best fucking protoss on the planet... what more do you want? Give game 2 a try jesus



<3 INControl, your so right. Why give up? He could have taken game 2 and won the series, he is embarrassing himself by giving up.
starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 17:54:28
April 12 2011 17:48 GMT
#6552
On April 13 2011 02:39 taLbuk wrote:
july 6 pool, genius
idra 6 pool, retarded

i cannot understand the logic of live report threads, the 6 pool no matter who is doing it comes down to when it is scouted, people always say how idra should throw some cheese or 6 pool into his style and when it does people complain.


-MC pylon scouts 2 player maps
-If pylon scouted, 6 pool fails 110% of the time
-The map they played on was a 2 player map

I'm not sure what July game you're talking about, but I don't think IdrA's decision was a good one even if his opponent was a diamond player. He did very well in a macro game. Just needed some faith in himself and he could have came back imo.

MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions


He actually did use corruption. The commentators missed a LOT of what was going on due to the sound issue, but I'm used to playing with no sound so i missed nothing. If you watch it again you'll see that every immortal was corrupted.
SasukeStreams
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands174 Posts
April 12 2011 17:48 GMT
#6553
On April 13 2011 02:44 Ghad wrote:
Naniwa tells it like it is: Norway sucks at games.


He should tell that to Creo.
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
April 12 2011 17:48 GMT
#6554
On April 13 2011 02:40 loveeholicce wrote:
Julyzerg 6 pools: "OMFG HES SO DIVERSE AND AMAZING"
Idra 6 pools: "LOL HIS GIVEN UP WHAT A DISGRACE".

It can actually work really well if toss scouts after gate, like a lot of them do on 2 player maps


No, he gave up. Threw in the towel after getting caught with his pants down in game 1. 6pool, on Caverns, against the best crisis management player who always scouts after 9 pylon, is giving up.


On April 13 2011 02:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 02:40 ImHuko wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr.

Only the protoss are arguing against it, he isn't a martyr, he literally can not win. Like I said before, MC said he will never lose to a zerg, unless they nerf. When the best protoss player literally says I like the nerfs because I want to win fairly, you have to believe it.

if you cant see how idra could have won game 1, you are lost


IdrA was indeed in a great position in game 1. Lot of broods, good army, but he made one small mistake and let his Broods get caught ALONE by blink stalkers. That's not "literally can't win", that's getting into an advantageous position and throwing it away with poor management. We've all done it, and it feels horrible, but IdrA has no one else to blame for always giving up prematurely. IdrA doesn't bend, he just snaps.
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Warrice
Profile Joined July 2010
United States565 Posts
April 12 2011 17:48 GMT
#6555
On April 13 2011 02:47 CptGrackSparrow wrote:
I wish Idra could take some of his confidence when playing lesser opponents and give it to himself when he's playing some of the best.

A series like that makes me think he just sees all the bad things about game 1 and gives up in game 2.


the confidence he has doesnt revolve around who he plays, but what race he plays. he would be just as confident vs any NA protoss.
ZeraToss
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1094 Posts
April 12 2011 17:48 GMT
#6556
On April 13 2011 02:45 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 02:43 oo inflame oo wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr.


what else is he supposed to do?

his job


well played^^
"Personality should be irrelevant. This is a computer game tournament, not a dating show." EGIdrA on "introduce yourself and say something about your personality" Idra <3
hagrin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States278 Posts
April 12 2011 17:48 GMT
#6557
1. Fly to Sweden
2. Lose your 40+ supply lead by letting the Protoss take the gold base and sit back and let him max out with more efficient mining.
3. Make tier 3 units and position them so your opponent can blink right underneath them while your units are trapped and eat Psi Storms to the face.
4. 6 pool next game and immediately quit when MC kills his own pylon and pulls probes and skipped the Cyber Core.
5. Do not Profit


That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
TURKISHRAMBO
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada148 Posts
April 12 2011 17:48 GMT
#6558
brolords in the front of your army is like putting colossus in the front... you just dont.
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
April 12 2011 17:48 GMT
#6559
On April 13 2011 02:47 Senx wrote:
Im kind of curious as to what the EG managment thinks of one of their player purposely throwing a game away because he's "fed up" with the game balance.

I'm kind of worried about Idras status in EG or as a pro player in general to be honest, I would not be surprised if he just takes a extended break from the game really soon.


You've got nothing to worry about.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
April 12 2011 17:48 GMT
#6560
On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
uhhhhhhhhhhh

IdrA throws away 3-4 queens a few ovies and some drones vs a phoenix opening... has MC on the ropes but then stops attacking...

IdrA gets 7 bl's and sticks his army in a choke spot and dies easily "PVZ IMBALANCED!"

MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions. Late on infesters as well. Had he waited for infesters and massed some bl's while harrassing the expos with lings or something he'd be fine and that is ONLY after him NOT throwing 4 base of production into 2 collo (idra had corruptors out) and 5 stalkers...

The thing that pisses me off the most though is that OK so you make a mistake at the end and it costs you the game.. why give up on game 2? You had him on the ropes like 3 separate times EVEN IF you want to argue "I can't win!" you at least came REALLY REALLY close vs the best fucking protoss on the planet... what more do you want? Give game 2 a try jesus

Well said sir, well said.
But its not surprise when Idra just gave up like that. He has been doing this in the past on several ocassion. Thats is one of his weakness beside the fact the prefer the macro game too much and sometime let chances slip by right over his head.
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