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Cannon rush song? Are they implying Idra should have off-raced a cannon rush against MC 
Seriously though, Idra could have won game 1 he just needed to hit a timing with Hydras before the storm came up and right after clearing the Collosus. A quicker transition to Broodlords timed to the defeat of the Collosus would have also been deadly, same thing with some ling harrass, or drops.
I don't think a 6 pool was the right idea on Xel. I could see it being the right decision on a 4 player map, but with one scout position, a small ramp, MC 9 pylon scouting often... I just don't agree with it no matter how frustrated you are... Do a roach rush or baneling build or some other 1 base cheese, but the 6 pool = yuck in that situation.
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On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
uhhhhhhhhhhh
IdrA throws away 3-4 queens a few ovies and some drones vs a phoenix opening... has MC on the ropes but then stops attacking...
IdrA gets 7 bl's and sticks his army in a choke spot and dies easily "PVZ IMBALANCED!"
MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions. Late on infesters as well. Had he waited for infesters and massed some bl's while harrassing the expos with lings or something he'd be fine and that is ONLY after him NOT throwing 4 base of production into 2 collo (idra had corruptors out) and 5 stalkers...
The thing that pisses me off the most though is that OK so you make a mistake at the end and it costs you the game.. why give up on game 2? You had him on the ropes like 3 separate times EVEN IF you want to argue "I can't win!" you at least came REALLY REALLY close vs the best fucking protoss on the planet... what more do you want? Give game 2 a try jesus
qft. thanks for taking the time and putting into words what sensible people were thinking(and adding some ofc^^). btw nasl coming up tonight... wouldn't want to follow this show:D but seriously this day was made for sc2 fans.
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MC won the game fair and square. What did he abuse?
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On April 13 2011 02:39 Hyperionnn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr. agreed with this, mc won because hes just the better player, thats it
I agree and disagree, 6 pooling in that map is giving up, IdrA knew it, any zerg knows it. IdrA probably knew it was most likely 3gate expand with pressure or straight up 4gate, since that's what MC does in that map and still chose to 6pool in a map where MC always sends his probe after pylon.
MC, is a better player overall (2 GSL to prove that) but to deny IdrA played better than MC on game one of Metal and still got raped by the blink stalker late game without actually making much damage, is like saying ZvP is completely balanced. Haters go "he didn't drop, or nydus, boooooo" Dropping or nydus'ing against blink stalkers, really? Maybe at a platinum level your opponent won't have a fast reaction time, but this is a pro-gaming level tournament, no chance in hell a drop would have worked, not to mention how all-in-ish they are at that point of the game.
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On April 13 2011 02:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 02:40 ImHuko wrote:On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr. Only the protoss are arguing against it, he isn't a martyr, he literally can not win. Like I said before, MC said he will never lose to a zerg, unless they nerf. When the best protoss player literally says I like the nerfs because I want to win fairly, you have to believe it. if you cant see how idra could have won game 1, you are lost
You analysis a game with complete map vision and knowing the outcome, and you usually analyize from the loser perspective to see what he could have done. MC made tons of mistakes (which you can't punish protoss for if they have sentries) The way MC put up his defense, you can not crack it. Blink/Collosus can defend any drops, and sentries can COMPLETELY STOP any attacks with the chokes at watchtowers
I know you dislike MC playstyle etc etc, but when the BEST protoss says its impossible to lose to Zerg, it is a bit silly when another protoss comes out and says silly things.
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Im kind of curious as to what the EG managment thinks of one of their player purposely throwing a game away because he's "fed up" with the game balance.
I'm kind of worried about Idras status in EG or as a pro player in general to be honest, I would not be surprised if he just takes a extended break from the game really soon.
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WHITE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr.
Though partially it may have been he just giving up, I think he proved a point. Not participating in something that you consider unfair is encouraged in society (e.g: most democracies have a blank vote), why is this any different? I don't know for certain if Idra is right in thinking that Protoss is broken because I'm not a progamer (though I suspect he's right), but if he really thinks it is, dropping a game like that is a smart way to get the point across. I'd do it. Not even trying when there's so much money on the line shows that he seriously believes what he says.
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On April 13 2011 02:47 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
uhhhhhhhhhhh
IdrA throws away 3-4 queens a few ovies and some drones vs a phoenix opening... has MC on the ropes but then stops attacking...
IdrA gets 7 bl's and sticks his army in a choke spot and dies easily "PVZ IMBALANCED!"
MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions. Late on infesters as well. Had he waited for infesters and massed some bl's while harrassing the expos with lings or something he'd be fine and that is ONLY after him NOT throwing 4 base of production into 2 collo (idra had corruptors out) and 5 stalkers...
The thing that pisses me off the most though is that OK so you make a mistake at the end and it costs you the game.. why give up on game 2? You had him on the ropes like 3 separate times EVEN IF you want to argue "I can't win!" you at least came REALLY REALLY close vs the best fucking protoss on the planet... what more do you want? Give game 2 a try jesus Maybe you should actually play a game from a zergs perspective. I'm getting so tired of protoss players, pros or not, throwing their opinion around when they have never actually expierenced it
Ironically that iNcontroL's offrace Zerg is better than most high Masters. Please, do some research before you bash a player.
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What song is that now? Sounds like Sophie Ellis Bextor.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
uhhhhhhhhhhh
IdrA throws away 3-4 queens a few ovies and some drones vs a phoenix opening... has MC on the ropes but then stops attacking...
IdrA gets 7 bl's and sticks his army in a choke spot and dies easily "PVZ IMBALANCED!"
MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions. Late on infesters as well. Had he waited for infesters and massed some bl's while harrassing the expos with lings or something he'd be fine and that is ONLY after him NOT throwing 4 base of production into 2 collo (idra had corruptors out) and 5 stalkers...
The thing that pisses me off the most though is that OK so you make a mistake at the end and it costs you the game.. why give up on game 2? You had him on the ropes like 3 separate times EVEN IF you want to argue "I can't win!" you at least came REALLY REALLY close vs the best fucking protoss on the planet... what more do you want? Give game 2 a try jesus
<3 INControl, your so right. Why give up? He could have taken game 2 and won the series, he is embarrassing himself by giving up.
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On April 13 2011 02:39 taLbuk wrote:
july 6 pool, genius
idra 6 pool, retarded
i cannot understand the logic of live report threads, the 6 pool no matter who is doing it comes down to when it is scouted, people always say how idra should throw some cheese or 6 pool into his style and when it does people complain.
-MC pylon scouts 2 player maps
-If pylon scouted, 6 pool fails 110% of the time
-The map they played on was a 2 player map
I'm not sure what July game you're talking about, but I don't think IdrA's decision was a good one even if his opponent was a diamond player. He did very well in a macro game. Just needed some faith in himself and he could have came back imo.
MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions
He actually did use corruption. The commentators missed a LOT of what was going on due to the sound issue, but I'm used to playing with no sound so i missed nothing. If you watch it again you'll see that every immortal was corrupted.
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On April 13 2011 02:44 Ghad wrote:Naniwa tells it like it is: Norway sucks at games. 
He should tell that to Creo.
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On April 13 2011 02:40 loveeholicce wrote:
Julyzerg 6 pools: "OMFG HES SO DIVERSE AND AMAZING"
Idra 6 pools: "LOL HIS GIVEN UP WHAT A DISGRACE".
It can actually work really well if toss scouts after gate, like a lot of them do on 2 player maps
No, he gave up. Threw in the towel after getting caught with his pants down in game 1. 6pool, on Caverns, against the best crisis management player who always scouts after 9 pylon, is giving up.
On April 13 2011 02:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 02:40 ImHuko wrote:On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr. Only the protoss are arguing against it, he isn't a martyr, he literally can not win. Like I said before, MC said he will never lose to a zerg, unless they nerf. When the best protoss player literally says I like the nerfs because I want to win fairly, you have to believe it. if you cant see how idra could have won game 1, you are lost
IdrA was indeed in a great position in game 1. Lot of broods, good army, but he made one small mistake and let his Broods get caught ALONE by blink stalkers. That's not "literally can't win", that's getting into an advantageous position and throwing it away with poor management. We've all done it, and it feels horrible, but IdrA has no one else to blame for always giving up prematurely. IdrA doesn't bend, he just snaps.
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On April 13 2011 02:47 CptGrackSparrow wrote:
I wish Idra could take some of his confidence when playing lesser opponents and give it to himself when he's playing some of the best.
A series like that makes me think he just sees all the bad things about game 1 and gives up in game 2.
the confidence he has doesnt revolve around who he plays, but what race he plays. he would be just as confident vs any NA protoss.
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On April 13 2011 02:45 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 02:43 oo inflame oo wrote:On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr. what else is he supposed to do? his job
well played^^
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1. Fly to Sweden
2. Lose your 40+ supply lead by letting the Protoss take the gold base and sit back and let him max out with more efficient mining.
3. Make tier 3 units and position them so your opponent can blink right underneath them while your units are trapped and eat Psi Storms to the face.
4. 6 pool next game and immediately quit when MC kills his own pylon and pulls probes and skipped the Cyber Core.
5. Do not Profit
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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brolords in the front of your army is like putting colossus in the front... you just dont.
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On April 13 2011 02:47 Senx wrote:
Im kind of curious as to what the EG managment thinks of one of their player purposely throwing a game away because he's "fed up" with the game balance.
I'm kind of worried about Idras status in EG or as a pro player in general to be honest, I would not be surprised if he just takes a extended break from the game really soon.
You've got nothing to worry about.
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On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
uhhhhhhhhhhh
IdrA throws away 3-4 queens a few ovies and some drones vs a phoenix opening... has MC on the ropes but then stops attacking...
IdrA gets 7 bl's and sticks his army in a choke spot and dies easily "PVZ IMBALANCED!"
MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions. Late on infesters as well. Had he waited for infesters and massed some bl's while harrassing the expos with lings or something he'd be fine and that is ONLY after him NOT throwing 4 base of production into 2 collo (idra had corruptors out) and 5 stalkers...
The thing that pisses me off the most though is that OK so you make a mistake at the end and it costs you the game.. why give up on game 2? You had him on the ropes like 3 separate times EVEN IF you want to argue "I can't win!" you at least came REALLY REALLY close vs the best fucking protoss on the planet... what more do you want? Give game 2 a try jesus
Well said sir, well said.
But its not surprise when Idra just gave up like that. He has been doing this in the past on several ocassion. Thats is one of his weakness beside the fact the prefer the macro game too much and sometime let chances slip by right over his head.
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