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Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
April 12 2011 17:46 GMT
#6501
With the army he had I don't feel like he could have won that fight in G1, especially with that positioning. I think the only chance he had would be to start dropping/nydusing after the previous fight.
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
April 12 2011 17:46 GMT
#6502
The only person who can allin MC is MMA. Don't recall anyone else succeeding.
Hunterai
Profile Joined October 2010
Thailand842 Posts
April 12 2011 17:46 GMT
#6503
I'd like to see IdrA cheese after a game that he wins against an opponent that is considered worst than him. Then that would at least be unpredictable.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
April 12 2011 17:46 GMT
#6504
On April 13 2011 02:43 Haberdasher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr.


U mad you're race is getting exposed as being OP while you still aren't getting tourney results???

Do you even know who you are talking to? During the entire time Protoss was considered underpowered last year, Nony didn't even complain ONE BIT, even in the STOG's, he was convinced that game wasn't developed and that is what he said to one of the questions in a STOG long ago, something about how Protoss need to figure out safer methods of playing
buscemi
Profile Joined April 2011
116 Posts
April 12 2011 17:46 GMT
#6505
On April 13 2011 02:44 Alexj wrote:
Why, WHY do we have to suffer justin.tv streaming at major tournaments?

Luckily we have aftonbladet.se stream this time, but NASL relies entirely on justin.tv


I really don't think it's solely a JTV issue. I very rarely have any issue with JTV, even at 1080p.

Although it might be because usually I watch US streamers and there aren't a lot of EU viewers of those, maybe so many people watching JTV is overloading their EU servers?
frucisky
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2170 Posts
April 12 2011 17:46 GMT
#6506
On April 13 2011 02:42 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 02:39 buscemi wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:38 Essentia wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:37 nam nam wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:35 Mailing wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:35 OasiS.oasis wrote:
WHY???
why IdrA do you 6pool???


higher chance to beat a protoss than a normal game.


How can you say that after the first game?


How can you NOT say that after the first game.


Anyone not massively biased saw that Idra had that game and threw it away with passivity.


Go attempt to attack with HydrA at far position off of creep and see how well it turns out for you.

I'm also amused that everybody thinks IdrA was raging and that's why he did a 6 pool. How many tournaments have you seen IdrA cheese in after losing a game? He has to beat MC 2 games in a row, taking a chance isn't a bad idea.

Slight edit: although 6 pool is really, really bad imo and cheese is an important factor in the game, but zerg lacking good cheese definitely punishes their ability to play more mindgames w/ bo's.


This! There are so many posts going on about Idra too passive, Idra should have done this, Idra should have done that. Okay fine, he tried. He did make so many brilliant moves. Going from roach into pure hydra after sniping colossus. Macro-ing like a boss despite that immense early pressure. A beautiful creep spread push. The problem is ZvP is so fucking hard, he makes one mistake and BAM blink stalkers kill everything.

ZvP is just too damn unforgiving for Zerg and just so damn forgiving for toss. Toss always have wall-ins, and sentries to fall back on. Zerg can't even punish a toss well because hydras are so slow.
<3 DongRaeGu <3
gladsheim
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia676 Posts
April 12 2011 17:46 GMT
#6507
On April 13 2011 02:45 quentel wrote:
[image loading]


SC2 Cheese Definition


I loved this enough I took a screen.


omg Dreamhack is amazing
calin
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia107 Posts
April 12 2011 17:46 GMT
#6508
Are you all really that surprised? Idra is notorious for going massively on tilt after losing..
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 17:46:55
April 12 2011 17:46 GMT
#6509
On April 13 2011 02:43 Dragar wrote:
You're all really mistaken if you think that 6-pool wasn't planned before the matches. Idra is a tournament player; they have plenty of experience with going on tilt. They will and do plan their games beforehand. He was always going to 6-pool on Xel'Naga, win or lose the first game.


No way Idra actually has the plan to 6pool before a series starts. Especially on XelNaga.
Tegin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States840 Posts
April 12 2011 17:46 GMT
#6510
I'd be an IdrA fan if he wasn't a quiter. Nothing worse than seeing someone pretty much admit defeat without even trying. Congrats to MC and hoping for an MC/WhiteRa final.
Pain is weakness leaving the body.
jungsu
Profile Joined February 2010
United States279 Posts
April 12 2011 17:46 GMT
#6511
the first game wasn't that bad, at lease give yourself a chance :S
go nony
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
April 12 2011 17:46 GMT
#6512
On April 13 2011 02:36 Heaton31 wrote:
I'm really interested to hear what Tyler has to say on SOTG tonight.



Tyler is prob gonna just say how much he doesn't like the way MC plays protoss. Even though MC makes all the right decisions.
esaul17
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada547 Posts
April 12 2011 17:46 GMT
#6513
Do you guys know if/when/where VODs of this are posted?
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
April 12 2011 17:46 GMT
#6514
On April 13 2011 02:44 ihavetofartosis wrote:
PvP finals :'(


Sjow have beaten Whitera before, it's not finished yet.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
April 12 2011 17:46 GMT
#6515
On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
uhhhhhhhhhhh

IdrA throws away 3-4 queens a few ovies and some drones vs a phoenix opening... has MC on the ropes but then stops attacking...

IdrA gets 7 bl's and sticks his army in a choke spot and dies easily "PVZ IMBALANCED!"

MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions. Late on infesters as well. Had he waited for infesters and massed some bl's while harrassing the expos with lings or something he'd be fine and that is ONLY after him NOT throwing 4 base of production into 2 collo (idra had corruptors out) and 5 stalkers...

The thing that pisses me off the most though is that OK so you make a mistake at the end and it costs you the game.. why give up on game 2? You had him on the ropes like 3 separate times EVEN IF you want to argue "I can't win!" you at least came REALLY REALLY close vs the best fucking protoss on the planet... what more do you want? Give game 2 a try jesus


He gave an Action.Jesus try!
halvorg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Norway717 Posts
April 12 2011 17:46 GMT
#6516
On April 13 2011 02:44 Elefanto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 02:44 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
what was the third map for MC vs IDRA?



Shakuras


I guess that explains some, G3 old shakuras versus MC ZvP would be VERY hard.
LittleAtari
Profile Joined August 2010
Jordan1090 Posts
April 12 2011 17:46 GMT
#6517
IdrA lost the first match because of his positioning in the last battle. It left his broodlords completely undefended and then he just gave up in the second game. It's pretty ridiculous. At least try. If he wanted to prove something, he should've played out the entire game.
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
April 12 2011 17:47 GMT
#6518
On April 13 2011 02:40 Heaton31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr.


It goes back to what Incontrol said on the stream. IdrA beats himself. His play wasn't flawless in game 1, he made mistakes. Enough mistakes to lose to MC or you or any Protoss.

It'd be hilarious if IdrA actually thought he outplayed MC in game 1. IdrA played quite well for most of the game but threw away his most important units in a fit of greed. If you throw away 7 broodlords for about 7 probes, then you deserve to lose the game. It doesn't matter about his mechanics, his "skill", he owned himself with game-losing decision-making.

If throwing away the units that keep you in the game is not bad play by IdrA's definition then I don't know what is. How can you "outplay" an opponent when you make the worst decision possible at 20 minutes in? Who cares if your macro is insane, your timings are perfect, your army composition is unreal if you throw away all your advantages with a terrible decision? IdrA needs to understand that playing well requires you to play well in the crucial moments of the game.
Betrayed by EG.BuK
Apolo
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal1259 Posts
April 12 2011 17:47 GMT
#6519
Hahha to all the people saying Idra outplayed MC. Yes, for sure a guy who only made it once or twice in the quarter finals in GSL outplays the 2 time champion of the same tournament like it's nothing. For sure MC won because of imbalance not because he has merit. Makes me wonder if most people complaining are bronze leaguers that only see battles and number of units. And to think i had to go to a stand up comedy to laugh!
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
April 12 2011 17:47 GMT
#6520
On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
uhhhhhhhhhhh

IdrA throws away 3-4 queens a few ovies and some drones vs a phoenix opening... has MC on the ropes but then stops attacking...

IdrA gets 7 bl's and sticks his army in a choke spot and dies easily "PVZ IMBALANCED!"

MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions. Late on infesters as well. Had he waited for infesters and massed some bl's while harrassing the expos with lings or something he'd be fine and that is ONLY after him NOT throwing 4 base of production into 2 collo (idra had corruptors out) and 5 stalkers...

The thing that pisses me off the most though is that OK so you make a mistake at the end and it costs you the game.. why give up on game 2? You had him on the ropes like 3 separate times EVEN IF you want to argue "I can't win!" you at least came REALLY REALLY close vs the best fucking protoss on the planet... what more do you want? Give game 2 a try jesus


Maybe you should actually play a game from a zergs perspective. I'm getting so tired of protoss players, pros or not, throwing their opinion around when they have never actually expierenced it


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