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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:38 tendence wrote: any more tsl today? Nope. If you did miss any matches, links to LR are below. LR Round-up for Ro16 Day 2: ![[image loading]](/images/flags2/us.png)  FXO.qxc vs ![[image loading]](/images/flags2/fr.png)  Mill.AdelscottMatch 1 Summary Not Avaliable Match 2 Summary Not Avaliable Match 3 Summary Match 4 Summary Match 5 Summary ![[image loading]](/images/flags2/kr.png) oGsNada vs ![[image loading]](/images/flags2/ua.png) Empire.KasMatch 1 Summary Match 2 Summary Match 3 Summary Match 4 Summary Match 5 Summary | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:33 Azrael22 wrote: Why do you say that we aren't getting it? Seems to me that when Koreans aren't sitting in their home country playing in familiar conditions against people with jet lag, and playing in a foreign country, they don't appear to be any better than foreigners. What's wrong with that? I feel like many people's prejudices regarding koreans vs foreigners are clouding their judgement. Eventually when foreigners have as much success as Koreans, you have to start saying maybe they aren't better! Because pretty much every korean in the TSL is underperforming. We've all seen Nada, MC, MVP, Nestea play 15 times better in the GSL then in this TSL. I would love a situation where we could say that 'foreigners' are as good as koreans, but with the koreans playing like this it really doesn't mean all that much. I don't know what the cause of it is, but something is definately wrong on the korean side, either in terms of how much they actually care about winning or in terms of their playstyle being hampered by something. I was very much looking forward to this tournament but it's just not been living up to my expectations. | ||
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Arnfasta
United States183 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:35 Funkatron wrote: So true. Can someone explain how lag can make you forget supply? That makes no sense. From my humble perspective it's not different from forgetting to build units (massive queing last game), when you're not used to the lag and you're a player as practiced and refined as Nada, things like lag (which Jinro and Idra I believe both said was significant (though Jinro said that after time he got used to it) can throw off your entire game and really frazzle you. Add to that the fact that Nada was down 0-2, it personally makes no sense how anyone would expect a professional gamer who only plays in Korea to play at the top level. In fairness, Kas played extremely well and while I don't want to diminish his win, I think it's shallow to just disregard the lag argument; it's certainly not absolutely everything, but I think it plays a significant factor here. One of the major points that wasn't addressed by casters was that while Koreans said they were taking this very seriously, that doesn't necessarily mean they're taking it seriously on the American server. And if you play 10 hours a day to get ready for this tournament on the Korean server and you hit the lag for the first time in those 3 games, it can severely throw off even the best players. To clarify: I'm not suggesting foreigners can't beat Koreans but that the mistakes Nada was making, even if he was out of practice, were indicative of a silver league player getting back into the game after a few months, not a pro who'd toned down his practice time some. TLDR: If Nada didn't practice on the NA server (which I believe is where they had their match) then the lag would be significant and could throw off his game enough to have the amateurish mistakes we saw that really cost him the game. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:39 sixfour wrote: wow, just wow. in the ro16, yeah, because it's been the only upset, and nada was only just a favourite anyway. been at least five bigger upsets counting the ro32. it's like people only bother to look at names and see who is more famous/who is a liquid player etc I was quoting Liquid'Tylers comment in the last state of the game... It was not an upset at all. Tyler just has/had no clue at all | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
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imareaver3
United States906 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:39 Jman5 wrote: I think it's overplayed as well. Have you guys considered alternating servers kind of like they switch sides in sports? So first game's server is decided by a coin flip and then you go back and forth to make sure each player gets 1 or 2 games on his homefield server. No, because the KR-EU lag would be way too high for any good games. Instead they, both play on NA, which gives a (slight) advantage to the EU player, especially if he's in certain parts of Europe. | ||
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iAmBiGbiRd
Australia1029 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:39 sixfour wrote: wow, just wow. in the ro16, yeah, because it's been the only upset, and nada was only just a favourite anyway. been at least five bigger upsets counting the ro32. it's like people only bother to look at names and see who is more famous/who is a liquid player etc Zzzzzzzzzzz this annoys me, Kas winning WAS NOT AN UPSET, KAS IS SIMPLY BETTER. Kthnx | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
 Anyone following both the EU and KR scene should have predicted this. I was a bit shocked to see the liquibets favouring Nada so heavily. Maybe a lot of BW fans not familiar with the EU SC2 scene? Can't explain that liquibet otherwise. | ||
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Funkatron
United States725 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:39 blackone wrote: I don't quite get what all you "THERE IS NO LAG!" people are trying to say. Do you really think NaDa is this bad? Nobody said that there isn't lag. We are saying that A) the problems with NaDa's play were way beyond lag issues, and B) lag doesn't even impact your play that much if you practice under those conditions. | ||
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Brad
2754 Posts
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s3raph
58 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:40 Swixi wrote: But the point is, they're not used to it. Whether they should be is irrelevant to the discussion of whether of not lag affects play. While I agree with this point, NaDa still lost. It's a technological limitation that has to be solved by eSports as a general franchise/sport; just makes evaluating the online tournaments a little harder sometimes. =/ Really, though, I'd love to see regional qualifiers (KR, NA, EU) and then a World Championship style comparison all in one area, like what GomTV did. GGs all around, though. I want to see Kas take on MKP, or MVP now. | ||
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IMbad
Norway24 Posts
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:39 TheAwesomeAll wrote: i have a feeling naniwa wont make it, im calling goody while i still can. Hmm, really? Naniwa's MLG performance was commanding. Unless he gets massively tilted I don't see him losing a Bo5 to someone who isn't spectacular. I like Goody, but I don't think he has what it takes. Really looking forward to the match though. | ||
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Ratel
Canada184 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:40 YaKool wrote: I don't think the korean players play all the time with lag when they are laddering on Korean servers and participating in GSL. They rarely play online tournametns overseas. In this case you need to blame the player for not putting their time to prepare for an international tournament. From what i heard Huk, Jinro, and Haypro offered their accounts for the Korean players to prepare on the North American servers and they didn't take the offers. This is like blaming that a player loses a game cause he has a hangover. | ||
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Dawn11
73 Posts
MC like the most intimidating player in the world right now against Kas, who is a tvp beast and in really good shape. WUHU (almost forgot the other half of the bracket) | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:34 MoonBear wrote: LR Round-up for Ro16 Day 2: FXO.qxc vs Mill.AdelscottMatch 1 Summary Not Avaliable Match 2 Summary Not Avaliable Match 3 Summary Match 4 Summary Match 5 Summary oGsNada vs Empire.KasMatch 1 Summary Match 2 Summary Match 3 Summary Match 4 Summary Match 5 Summary Thanks! | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:41 Chill wrote: WTF What about me? Chill edit! Adelscott > qxc 3-1 if qxc alters his style to suit adelscott maybe hell take it but i like this map pool for adelscott's style. kas > nada 3-1 i like kas in this matchup haha dk how I missed that considering you're listed second in the OP. Nice calls! | ||
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Sickworld
437 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:37 APurpleCow wrote: that's not true at all I know that, for me, lag completely throws off my game. Nothing feels right. I get supply blocked, mismicro, slip up on macro, and just generally make retarded decisions when there's a lot of lag. I give you that, but one would think that at this level of play and with so much money on the line, the players would take the time to get used to the servers. EU players didnt see to be affected by lag any slight bit. even if they had less lag than KOR players, it would have been noticeable if lag was throwing them off their game. as someone said before, the invitees dont seem to be taking this tournament quite as serious as the ones who had to try hard to qualify | ||
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OnlineHero
Denmark647 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:39 blackone wrote: I don't quite get what all you "THERE IS NO LAG!" people are trying to say. Do you really think NaDa is this bad? Nada supply blocked himself multiple times. He had massive ques in his barracks. His expansions were always late compared to Kas. No constant worker production. How is this related to lag? | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:42 Brad wrote: According to SoTG, Kas beating NaDa would be the biggest upset in TSL3. Looks like we just witnessed history. :D I hate to say this but it's not. The STOG crew hardly know who Kas is and don't follow the scene outside of GSL and major tournaments. Anyone who follows the scene outside of GSL knows he's the best Terran and TvTer in Europe. No surprise at all. NaDa's name should have no meaning in this match. | ||
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