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Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
April 10 2011 20:38 GMT
#2901
Btw does TSL make sure to tell all the players the changes on the maps? I mean they probably do, but it's so painful to see the players scouting positions that aren't possible.
Swixi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States73 Posts
April 10 2011 20:38 GMT
#2902
On April 11 2011 05:36 halvorg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:33 darkcloud8282 wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:31 Derez wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:28 GeorgeForeman wrote:
It's not lag. Kas is just playing better.


It's what we've seen before in the TSL tho. None of them playing at the level they play in the GSL, which is a shame . No matter what the reason is, be it lag, not taking it seriously, it does kind of ruin the tournament.

We all wanted a good comparison between korea and the rest of the world, and we don't seem to be getting it.


We got a good comparison in the GSL world championships where the Koreans knocked out all foreigners in the round of 8.


Yep, morrow's ZvP, White-Ra's PvP, HuK's any matchup, Jinro's slump, Dimaga's ZvP and TT1's play is synonymous of the best foreigners have to offer.

That's a hell of a lot of excuses you've got there.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
April 10 2011 20:38 GMT
#2903
On April 11 2011 05:35 Jpn wrote:
This is really REALLY weird... I'm not saying that Kas should not have won but Nada is way too good to make these kind of mistakes... I have a feeling that something is up...


This is not SC1.. Kas pretty much has roflstomped every terran out there.. follow the EU scene and you'll know why he did the same to Nada.
Budzlight
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States578 Posts
April 10 2011 20:38 GMT
#2904
I figured kas would take this 3-0 Koreans are better but they haven't been focused on non Korean play as much as i think they should at this age in starcraft
I was the 5% that voted for thorzain in the TSL for round 1
tendence
Profile Joined January 2011
Switzerland61 Posts
April 10 2011 20:38 GMT
#2905
any more tsl today?
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
April 10 2011 20:38 GMT
#2906
Reading this thread just makes me think of that disclaimer I see on so many investing websites:

"Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results."

I'm honestly surprised so many people favored nada. Just looking through TLPD you can see Kas dominating TONS of tournaments that are particularly TvT heavy.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
April 10 2011 20:38 GMT
#2907
High five Plexa!

On April 08 2011 12:33 p4NDemik wrote:
Adelscott 3-2 qxc
Kas 3-2 NaDa
On April 08 2011 17:39 Plexa wrote:
Adel 3-0 qxc
Adel's style involves masses of units which means he is going to have lots of stuff to stop qxc's harass.
Kas 3-0 Nada
Kas's TvT is untouchable.
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domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 20:39:07
April 10 2011 20:38 GMT
#2908
On April 11 2011 05:12 TheBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:11 Bagi wrote:
I'm having my mind blown that people didn't see this coming. Kas has been the best foreign terran for a while now.

Yeah, I'm looking at the staff predictions wondering what people were thinking.
lol

Additional hype, perhaps? Consider that Kas is one of the top players in Europe and has shown dominating TvT this year. On the other hand, Nada is among the mid-tier of Code S players and his wins in TvT have been mostly off weak players
SACtheXchng
Profile Joined January 2011
168 Posts
April 10 2011 20:39 GMT
#2909
I'm sure it's been said before but this thread progresses too fast to keep track:

Unless lag/latency causes you to queue up 4 marines in your rax, I guess it's finally safe to assume that the best player won this series. People should begin to acknowledge the fact that you don't have to be korean to be good at a computer game. Especially not if you work your ass off as Kas apparently is.
Seronei
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden991 Posts
April 10 2011 20:39 GMT
#2910
On April 11 2011 05:38 bearhug wrote:
Many people cannot understand how lag can affect the game play. They really need to try to play under 300ms lag before posting things like '' lag only affect micro, not macro and decision making''. I play 10 times worse when there is lag, because everything goes wrong.

Not if you're used to playing under lag, which you should be if you're participating in a tournament you know you will have high ping during.
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
April 10 2011 20:39 GMT
#2911
On April 11 2011 05:37 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:36 Kazang wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:33 Aristodemus wrote:
4 in 4 this weekend^^ Starting to think Kas may be the favourite for the title now too.


Kas or Thorzain for sure


Not Thorzain. He showed some nice builds, but his opponents were underperforming. Thorzain didn't prove a lot in other tournies.

Favourites for me are MC, Kas and Naniwa.

i have a feeling naniwa wont make it, im calling goody while i still can.
dr Helvetica <3
Jman5
Profile Joined September 2010
United States745 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 20:40:53
April 10 2011 20:39 GMT
#2912
On April 11 2011 05:33 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:32 thisisSSK wrote:
I hate to do this but I have to blame the lag. Has ANYONE seen NaDa play THIS TERRIBLY in Korea? I mean multiple supply blocks, a million queues, low worker counts, etc. Sure, he made some unproductive decisions (i.e. banshee on Crevasse), but overall, its seems like Nada is playing with such sloppiness. Anyways, GG by Kas; he played quite well.

I think people are just so biased when it comes to this stuff.

NOBODY blamed lag when Haypro lost to Kas. So many people blame lag when Nada loses to Kas. It's just in your head, what your expectations are.


I think it's overplayed as well. Have you guys considered alternating servers kind of like how they switch sides in sports? So first game's server is decided by a coin flip and then you go back and forth to make sure each player gets 1 or 2 games on his homefield server.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
April 10 2011 20:39 GMT
#2913
On April 11 2011 05:36 halvorg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:33 darkcloud8282 wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:31 Derez wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:28 GeorgeForeman wrote:
It's not lag. Kas is just playing better.


It's what we've seen before in the TSL tho. None of them playing at the level they play in the GSL, which is a shame . No matter what the reason is, be it lag, not taking it seriously, it does kind of ruin the tournament.

We all wanted a good comparison between korea and the rest of the world, and we don't seem to be getting it.


We got a good comparison in the GSL world championships where the Koreans knocked out all foreigners in the round of 8.


Yep, morrow's ZvP, White-Ra's PvP, HuK's any matchup, Jinro's slump, Dimaga's ZvP and TT1's play is synonymous of the best foreigners have to offer.

I'm not a big fan of excuses, but I have to agree.
I think Dimaga showed that the foreigners can compete when they play their absolute best.
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
April 10 2011 20:39 GMT
#2914
I don't quite get what all you "THERE IS NO LAG!" people are trying to say. Do you really think NaDa is this bad?

User was temp banned for this post.
CustomKal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada749 Posts
April 10 2011 20:39 GMT
#2915
On April 11 2011 05:37 Seam wrote:
I walked away to go to the bathroom, and NaDa was up like 160 supply to 60.

How did he lose?


Because you got the players mixed up. Kas was hugely ahead all game.
Schenkee
Profile Joined October 2010
Scotland322 Posts
April 10 2011 20:39 GMT
#2916
Goto say the qxc v Ascot game was very good and interesting, the nada nas one not so much kas played very well but I think the lag messed with nada's micro/play abit to much.
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
April 10 2011 20:39 GMT
#2917
oh my god the gloating from the europeans is getting on my nerves, I cant wait till MC crushes through the rest of the TSL, hes already shown dominant games vs whitera and ciara, I expect this to continue
Funkatron
Profile Joined July 2010
United States725 Posts
April 10 2011 20:39 GMT
#2918
On April 11 2011 05:37 Seam wrote:
I walked away to go to the bathroom, and NaDa was up like 160 supply to 60.

How did he lose?

you were watching some other game. or you had colors reversed. Kas was up in supply for the entire game.
PoopLord
Profile Joined May 2010
537 Posts
April 10 2011 20:39 GMT
#2919
All my favorite players besides Sen lost already lol

OnlineHero
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark647 Posts
April 10 2011 20:39 GMT
#2920
On April 11 2011 05:33 Tracedragon wrote:
wondering what NaDa did there.. D:


Lost to a better player. It happens.
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