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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
April 10 2011 20:39 GMT
#2921
On April 11 2011 05:35 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
"Biggest upset in the TSL so far" just happened. Yes it did.


wow, just wow. in the ro16, yeah, because it's been the only upset, and nada was only just a favourite anyway. been at least five bigger upsets counting the ro32. it's like people only bother to look at names and see who is more famous/who is a liquid player etc
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
April 10 2011 20:39 GMT
#2922
Nada played absolute crap. I never thought I'd ever say those words.
Someone call down the Thunder?
nalho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States351 Posts
April 10 2011 20:40 GMT
#2923
On April 11 2011 05:39 Seronei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:38 bearhug wrote:
Many people cannot understand how lag can affect the game play. They really need to try to play under 300ms lag before posting things like '' lag only affect micro, not macro and decision making''. I play 10 times worse when there is lag, because everything goes wrong.

Not if you're used to playing under lag, which you should be if you're participating in a tournament you know you will have high ping during.


I don't think the korean players play all the time with lag when they are laddering on Korean servers and participating in GSL. They rarely play online tournametns overseas.
i'm jung/i translate bw sometimes
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 20:40:43
April 10 2011 20:40 GMT
#2924
On April 11 2011 05:39 Jman5 wrote:
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On April 11 2011 05:33 Hot_Bid wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:32 thisisSSK wrote:
I hate to do this but I have to blame the lag. Has ANYONE seen NaDa play THIS TERRIBLY in Korea? I mean multiple supply blocks, a million queues, low worker counts, etc. Sure, he made some unproductive decisions (i.e. banshee on Crevasse), but overall, its seems like Nada is playing with such sloppiness. Anyways, GG by Kas; he played quite well.

I think people are just so biased when it comes to this stuff.

NOBODY blamed lag when Haypro lost to Kas. So many people blame lag when Nada loses to Kas. It's just in your head, what your expectations are.


I think it's overplayed as well. Have you guys considered alternating servers kind of like they switch sides in sports? So first game's server is decided by a coin flip and then you go back and forth to make sure each player gets 1 or 2 games on his homefield server.


They do it for US-Korea but Korea-EU is unplayable so all games are played on NA to make it somewhat fair.
Cocacooh
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1510 Posts
April 10 2011 20:40 GMT
#2925
Lag or no lag, Kas played very good.
Swixi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States73 Posts
April 10 2011 20:40 GMT
#2926
On April 11 2011 05:39 Seronei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:38 bearhug wrote:
Many people cannot understand how lag can affect the game play. They really need to try to play under 300ms lag before posting things like '' lag only affect micro, not macro and decision making''. I play 10 times worse when there is lag, because everything goes wrong.

Not if you're used to playing under lag, which you should be if you're participating in a tournament you know you will have high ping during.

But the point is, they're not used to it. Whether they should be is irrelevant to the discussion of whether of not lag affects play.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
April 10 2011 20:40 GMT
#2927
How people can blame NaDa's loss on lag is beyond me, Kas is leaps and bounds better than him in TvT.
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Seronei
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden991 Posts
April 10 2011 20:40 GMT
#2928
On April 11 2011 05:40 YaKool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:39 Seronei wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:38 bearhug wrote:
Many people cannot understand how lag can affect the game play. They really need to try to play under 300ms lag before posting things like '' lag only affect micro, not macro and decision making''. I play 10 times worse when there is lag, because everything goes wrong.

Not if you're used to playing under lag, which you should be if you're participating in a tournament you know you will have high ping during.


I don't think the korean players play all the time with lag when they are laddering on Korean servers and participating in GSL. They rarely play online tournametns overseas.

which you should be if you're participating in a tournament you know you will have high ping during.
If you want to win you better be used to it. NO excuses.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 20:41:58
April 10 2011 20:40 GMT
#2929
On April 11 2011 05:37 APurpleCow wrote:
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On April 11 2011 05:34 Sickworld wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:32 thisisSSK wrote:
I hate to do this but I have to blame the lag. Has ANYONE seen NaDa play THIS TERRIBLY in Korea? I mean multiple supply blocks, a million queues, low worker counts, etc. Sure, he made some unproductive decisions (i.e. banshee on Crevasse), but overall, its seems like Nada is playing with such sloppiness. Anyways, GG by Kas; he played quite well.

lag may have played a small role but it didnt seem a deciding factor at all. its not like you get supply blocked because of lag. or forget to build workers. or units. you get where im going. it was just sloppy play, with no excuses


that's not true at all

I know that, for me, lag completely throws off my game. Nothing feels right. I get supply blocked, mismicro, slip up on macro, and just generally make retarded decisions when there's a lot of lag.


Has been discussed before. It's up to the players to accustom themselves to possible delays... read Jinros thread. TL even offers the Koreans testaccounts to do so.

Also NaDa showed in his games vs TLO that he is perfectly capable of playing with delay... He just played horrible, the delay is not to blame.



On April 11 2011 05:40 YaKool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:39 Seronei wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:38 bearhug wrote:
Many people cannot understand how lag can affect the game play. They really need to try to play under 300ms lag before posting things like '' lag only affect micro, not macro and decision making''. I play 10 times worse when there is lag, because everything goes wrong.

Not if you're used to playing under lag, which you should be if you're participating in a tournament you know you will have high ping during.


I don't think the korean players play all the time with lag when they are laddering on Korean servers and participating in GSL. They rarely play online tournametns overseas.


Of course they don't but they could play on the NA server to prepare for the TSL matches no problemn.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
April 10 2011 20:41 GMT
#2930
On April 11 2011 05:37 Seam wrote:
I walked away to go to the bathroom, and NaDa was up like 160 supply to 60.

How did he lose?


He switched colours and suddenly had the 160/60 advantage
www.twitch.tv/antigrav1ty
Eurekastreet
Profile Joined November 2010
1308 Posts
April 10 2011 20:41 GMT
#2931
On April 11 2011 05:39 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:37 00Visor wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:36 Kazang wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:33 Aristodemus wrote:
4 in 4 this weekend^^ Starting to think Kas may be the favourite for the title now too.


Kas or Thorzain for sure


Not Thorzain. He showed some nice builds, but his opponents were underperforming. Thorzain didn't prove a lot in other tournies.

Favourites for me are MC, Kas and Naniwa.

i have a feeling naniwa wont make it, im calling goody while i still can.


Goody's fun to watch but I'd like Nani to win to see a MC vs Naniwa matchup, just to see some crazy 4gating timing pushes and micro.
"2 cannons, it's not one cannons" - White-Ra
mdma-_-
Profile Joined October 2010
Nauru1213 Posts
April 10 2011 20:41 GMT
#2932
On April 11 2011 05:38 bearhug wrote:
Many people cannot understand how lag can affect the game play. They really need to try to play under 300ms lag before posting things like '' lag only affect micro, not macro and decision making''. I play 10 times worse when there is lag, because everything goes wrong.

Why do people not understand that Ukraine-NA (Shitty shitty internet) isnt much better than Kor-NA (little more distance, super fast internet) ?
Kas is just better than nada. Everybody who followed him in the weekly cups could easily predict the result.
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
April 10 2011 20:41 GMT
#2933
I think the Koreans will never participate in online events like this in the future. They can't micro and when they lost there's a bunch of noobs claiming that they are "inferior" to X,Y,Z lol despite the fact that they dominated every LAN event ever existed lol.


User was temp banned for this post.
Khassar de Templari
phisku
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Belgium864 Posts
April 10 2011 20:41 GMT
#2934
I can see all the oGs terran player watching the replay day after day to see how kas do to have so much stuff.
CustomKal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada749 Posts
April 10 2011 20:41 GMT
#2935
On April 11 2011 05:40 p4NDemik wrote:
How people can blame NaDa's loss on lag is beyond me, Kas is leaps and bounds better than him in TvT.


Basically because Nada's play today was just bad. Its not the nada people have been watching in the GSL and such.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26001 Posts
April 10 2011 20:41 GMT
#2936
On April 11 2011 05:38 p4NDemik wrote:
High five Plexa!

Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 12:33 p4NDemik wrote:
Adelscott 3-2 qxc
Kas 3-2 NaDa
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 17:39 Plexa wrote:
Adel 3-0 qxc
Adel's style involves masses of units which means he is going to have lots of stuff to stop qxc's harass.
Kas 3-0 Nada
Kas's TvT is untouchable.

WTF What about me?

Chill edit!
Adelscott > qxc 3-1 if qxc alters his style to suit adelscott maybe hell take it but i like this map pool for adelscott's style.
kas > nada 3-1 i like kas in this matchup
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Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
April 10 2011 20:41 GMT
#2937
Let's for a second assume lag was a very important factor in Nada's gameplay today, why did he play ~fine~ versus TLO then?

Blame anything you like, Nada played bad, Kas played great.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 20:42:57
April 10 2011 20:41 GMT
#2938
I should start betting real money on TSL matches, LOL. I would be rich by now thanks to all the erroneous predictions and bets. :D People really need to pay more attention to the EU scene if they want to be accurate. With lag and all it was really obvious that Kas was going to take this if you knew the level of his play even a little bit.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
April 10 2011 20:41 GMT
#2939
On April 11 2011 05:40 p4NDemik wrote:
How people can blame NaDa's loss on lag is beyond me, Kas is leaps and bounds better than him in TvT.



Agreed. I don't think Nada played his absolute best, but even if he had, he was demolished so badly it wouldn't have made a huge difference
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
April 10 2011 20:41 GMT
#2940
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