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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
April 02 2011 21:17 GMT
#4641
From Tak on MLG forums:

As stated on the Starcraft stream, they are having internet issues at the venue and players have chosen not to play until they are resolved to allow for the best matches. Grubby and DDE played one game, started the second game and then paused the game due to a massive lag spike, no games have been played since or are currently being played for Starcraft on the mainstage.
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 21:17:33
April 02 2011 21:17 GMT
#4642
On April 03 2011 06:15 QuikTrig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 06:11 Soap wrote:
On April 03 2011 06:07 QuikTrig wrote:
On April 03 2011 06:04 Soap wrote:
On April 03 2011 06:03 QuikTrig wrote:
what's funny is that most people bashing MLG have probably seen one, two, or at the most three events on the site -- probably just for SC.

don't get me wrong, these delays and errors are inexcusable. but if you really think MLG has consistently been ill-prepared, you are seriously mistaken. other then some minor hiccups every once in a while, this is the first time I've seen things go this wrong with MLG in years. literally.


Its not even the first time in the same city...

what are you referring to exactly? i'm speaking moreso from a halo players perspective. they have been running this tournament for years and it's been reliable, efficient, and has done a TON for that community. i love SC as well, but i don't like how the organization is being bashed to a pulp when it has definitely earned its credibility if you have tried watching more than a few events.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168202


well that was a bnet thing right?

and maybe i should've edited my quote; i guess MLG has been pretty bad for the PC tourneys. but really, as an organization, it has done a ton for e-sports, namely halo. don't dismiss the company entirely. they've done years of great work for consoles.

Halo is a joke, not an ESPORT. We only watch ESPORTS here. MLG is bad for said ESPORTS.

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"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
Killem
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4 Posts
April 02 2011 21:17 GMT
#4643
On April 03 2011 06:12 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 06:10 Ramboness wrote:
Poll: Why are you still watching MLG?

Good question (185)
 
73%

Have nothing better to do (46)
 
18%

Cause of the casters (23)
 
9%

254 total votes

Your vote: Why are you still watching MLG?

(Vote): Cause of the casters
(Vote): Have nothing better to do
(Vote): Good question




Because of this thread.



I think i would be serious piss off if it was not because of this tread. I guess misery loves company.
The Lord works in mysterious ways
Azuroz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1630 Posts
April 02 2011 21:17 GMT
#4644
just give the trophy to haypro and shut down this disaster..
Team NSHoseo <3
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
April 02 2011 21:17 GMT
#4645
Grubby and DDE is being played off stage so they can closely monitor the internet. I hope they still cast it
www.superbeerbrothers.com
diverzee
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden992 Posts
April 02 2011 21:17 GMT
#4646
Such a bad weekend. I wish we could've had TSL instead. Stupid MLG making us have no TSL.
Parting
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
April 02 2011 21:17 GMT
#4647
On April 03 2011 06:10 Skyze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 06:04 sickoota wrote:
On April 03 2011 05:58 Skyze wrote:
On April 03 2011 05:53 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 03 2011 05:51 -_- wrote:
On April 03 2011 05:49 blooblooblahblah wrote:
Dam incontrol probably won't beat Naniwa, his PvP is kinda lacking.


PVP is a match where the underdog can win. He's got a puncher's chance like everyone else in PVP.

MC's PvP record disproves this. It's a matchup that can be dominated as much as any.


The thing is, its a match that is dominated by smart decision making and superior micro.. something that is generally lacking by most players because they practice build orders instead of understanding game sense..

You can tell this by all the rage about InControl's pylon vs TLO yesterday.. InControl said it best; "The opportunity presented itself, and I took it.".. Dont bash InControl because hes smart.

PvP is really about who can outsmart your opponent, and micro the best. Thats why MC almost always wins, and the only time in recent history we've seen him lose is when White-Ra showed him alittle creative warp prism play.

People just dont understand MC is not your average "practice 12 hours a day til my builds are smooth" player.. Hes really a strategic genius, and thats what wins him games. He takes the best positions and opportunities giving to him and it makes him look imbalanced because everything always falls into place.

Thats why hes the most likely SC2 "Bonjwa" and seems unbeatable while everyone else thinks the game is a rock-paper-scissors game..


You don't play protoss obviously. PvP build order is everything, and you chose your build order blindly. If you chose the same build order the better control wins, and if one player is better/worse build order disadvantages can be overcome, but its primarily rock/paper scissors. "Strategic genius" doesn't scout your opponents base. MC wins alot because he guesses correctly alot (reading your opponent is a skill within itself which MC obviously has in bundles) but right now the better player is never guaranteed to win a PvP. For example the MC vs white-ra game. Most non tosses were probably ooing and awwing over white-ra's warp prism harass and control. People who play toss turned off the game after MC defensive fourgated and white-ra one gate roboed.


I love PvP, its my favorite match.. I feel confident in any build I do, as long as I dont mess up (forgetting pylon, etc).. but I alternate between standard K4G and 3stalker, along with mixes inbetween and I almost rarely ever get caught off guard with a K4G. My PvP win rate is over 85% (above 3500, but I was top 200 for a month when I played most, with wins over most of the protoss currently in this MLG event) Its the only matchup Im actually good at lol

It really comes down to unit control like you said, but what you can get away with in terms of the build, and when to attack, is the key to the fight. Anyways, my point is, the better micro and smarter decision making will always win in PvP.. You MAY lose a game to a lesser player, but if that happens its 100% your fault, most likely a micro misclick.. A good player will never do a build that dooms him from the start, thats just silly.

My point being, theres MUCH more in PvP than just a build order.. Although I understand why people think that when they have bad control..


I'd agree tht the early game is based on better micro and decision making. However, i think the main problem of PvP is not the 4gate shit in the early game (not tht i like it) but it's after tht. It becomes rock, paper, scissors. U choose either a robo, stargate or blink build, most of the time without knowing wat ur opponent is doing. Thts when the build orders really come into play. You automatically get an advantage or a disadvantage depending on which one you choose.

Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
April 02 2011 21:17 GMT
#4648
On April 03 2011 06:14 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 06:10 SpiZe wrote:
On April 03 2011 06:10 zYwi3c wrote:
On April 03 2011 06:08 keeblur wrote:
Poll: Who do you blame for this mess?

MLG (217)
 
69%

Blizzard (69)
 
22%

Dallas (29)
 
9%

315 total votes

Your vote: Who do you blame for this mess?

(Vote): Blizzard
(Vote): MLG
(Vote): Dallas



Why would u blame blizzard ? MLG connection is a big failure, bnet is working fine.


No LAN support.


Sure, we all want LAN support.

The service that Blizzard provides (battle.net) is actually working fine though. You can't blame them for MLG's internet.

Of course we can, any possibility of this happening would be gone with LAN support. They introduced the internet as a necessity as a huge variable for tournaments and stuff like this happens.
provrorsbarn
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden766 Posts
April 02 2011 21:17 GMT
#4649
It wouldnt be a big suprise if the NASL would suck as hard as MLG has so far
Im just a zerg
SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
April 02 2011 21:17 GMT
#4650
From MLG's live blog :

As you may have noticed, we are experiencing additional internet problems in the venue. The match between Grubby and DDE has been moved off of the Main Stage in order to better monitor the internet connection. We will be bringing you updates from the match as it happens. DDE currently holds a 1-0 lead in the series, and the winner will take on Sixjax Mihai in a battle for the final spot in Pool Play.
riboflavin
Profile Joined April 2010
United States226 Posts
April 02 2011 21:17 GMT
#4651
On April 03 2011 06:16 OSWater wrote:
Poll: Who sabotaged MLG?

Some guy named Steve keeps stepping on the internet line and wont tell anyone so it lags a lot now. (69)
 
30%

Colonel Mustard in the hall with the knife (67)
 
29%

The Illuminati (36)
 
16%

Al Qaeda (31)
 
13%

Godzilla (29)
 
13%

232 total votes

Your vote: Who sabotaged MLG?

(Vote): Colonel Mustard in the hall with the knife
(Vote): Al Qaeda
(Vote): The Illuminati
(Vote): Godzilla
(Vote): Some guy named Steve keeps stepping on the internet line and wont tell anyone so it lags a lot now.



best.poll.ever.
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
April 02 2011 21:17 GMT
#4652
Did mlg show any games today? I was checking stream from time to time, and all I saw were djWheat, commercials and spectators.

Will they release vods or replays?
Its grack
Airship
Profile Joined August 2010
United States465 Posts
April 02 2011 21:17 GMT
#4653
This is all extremely unfortunate, but it's got me wondering, maybe sc2 is just too big for MLG? Sad to say, the event organisers clearly just aren't capable of handling it. Maybe it's best if MLG just lets starcraft go, and the pros can focus on the NASL? I am of course making the (perhaps ill-advised) massive assumption that the NASL will run smoothly.
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
April 02 2011 21:18 GMT
#4654
On April 03 2011 06:17 vrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 06:15 QuikTrig wrote:
On April 03 2011 06:11 Soap wrote:
On April 03 2011 06:07 QuikTrig wrote:
On April 03 2011 06:04 Soap wrote:
On April 03 2011 06:03 QuikTrig wrote:
what's funny is that most people bashing MLG have probably seen one, two, or at the most three events on the site -- probably just for SC.

don't get me wrong, these delays and errors are inexcusable. but if you really think MLG has consistently been ill-prepared, you are seriously mistaken. other then some minor hiccups every once in a while, this is the first time I've seen things go this wrong with MLG in years. literally.


Its not even the first time in the same city...

what are you referring to exactly? i'm speaking moreso from a halo players perspective. they have been running this tournament for years and it's been reliable, efficient, and has done a TON for that community. i love SC as well, but i don't like how the organization is being bashed to a pulp when it has definitely earned its credibility if you have tried watching more than a few events.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168202


well that was a bnet thing right?

and maybe i should've edited my quote; i guess MLG has been pretty bad for the PC tourneys. but really, as an organization, it has done a ton for e-sports, namely halo. don't dismiss the company entirely. they've done years of great work for consoles.

Halo is a joke, not an ESPORT. We only watch ESPORTS here. MLG is bad for said ESPORTS.

B-but... I like Halo.
monkey5476
Profile Joined January 2011
United States133 Posts
April 02 2011 21:18 GMT
#4655
On April 03 2011 06:15 QuikTrig wrote:
well that was a bnet thing right?

and maybe i should've edited my quote; i guess MLG has been pretty bad for the PC tourneys. but really, as an organization, it has done a ton for e-sports, namely halo. don't dismiss the company entirely. they've done years of great work for consoles.


I like how you keep posting, as if we care about Halo, or as if streaming halo would be difficult. Please stop fanboying for MLG, it's pretty pathetic.
cmgillett
Profile Joined March 2010
United States335 Posts
April 02 2011 21:18 GMT
#4656
this is getting close to CXG status
JoxxOr
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden1502 Posts
April 02 2011 21:18 GMT
#4657
Can someone answer why all the games casted needs to be on the fucking main stage with cameras? Just enter whatever fucking random game going on to get some fucking games going. This is like the biggest fucking problem i have with MLG, SOOO SLOW, SO FOLLOWING RULES. Like what the fuck
Gör om, gör rätt
ICA
Profile Joined January 2011
498 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 21:18:54
April 02 2011 21:18 GMT
#4658
Sorry, just got home and wanted to watch MLG. Quickly scanned through like 15 pages of complaints but what happened exactly!? Really only internet problems or what is it? What about the games that still have to be played? Thanks for some information.

edit: nevermind, read the official announcement
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
April 02 2011 21:18 GMT
#4659
On April 03 2011 05:57 garlicface wrote:
Poll: What are you doing before the next game?

Browsing TL/internet. (97)
 
39%

Beating off. (71)
 
29%

Alcohol. Lots and lots of alcohol. (42)
 
17%

Playing video games. (22)
 
9%

Gonna grab a snack. (14)
 
6%

246 total votes

Your vote: What are you doing before the next game?

(Vote): Playing video games.
(Vote): Browsing TL/internet.
(Vote): Beating off.
(Vote): Gonna grab a snack.
(Vote): Alcohol. Lots and lots of alcohol.


This poll heavily lacks options such as "Running around naked batshit crazy screaming CRA CRA CRA for no reason whatsoever"
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
April 02 2011 21:18 GMT
#4660
"As you may have noticed"
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
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