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3 bunker rush on Shakuras has been before by some pro Terran many months ago and I can't believe that people still don't understand why Zerg hatch firsts against Terran
let's say a Terran wants to bunker rush and a Zerg chooses pool first, instead of having to deal with bunker pressure on the nat hatch now the Zerg has to deal with a contain at the bottom of their ramp
it doesn't matter if a Terran can't block off the ramp entirely. just having a completed bunker at the bottom screws up the Zerg so much. they have to devote so much early larva to take care of that bunker before they can finally put down a hatchery at the nat that they become really behind the Terran.
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Ret going for a quick third expansion, without a lair still.
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select breaking the ladder 
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On April 02 2011 12:05 Sentient wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 12:04 Rayansaki wrote:
I love how people expect select to just let Ret get away with his greed. You need to exploit your opponent's greed if you want to win. Late pool? perfect response from select. It wasn't a response. Select did not scout Ret -- he did that build blindly.
Yes it was. He saw the hatch go down and from the timing and the map he knows exactly what's going on
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On April 02 2011 12:06 Translucent25 wrote:
lol dayJ just threw out a herp derp derp destiny ftw!
destiny invented herp derp derp O_o; didnt know that :DDDD
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On April 02 2011 12:07 Dawski wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 12:06 IzieBoy wrote:On April 02 2011 12:04 Dawski wrote:
i dont understand terrans want to cheese on ladder, how does doing that build on ladder make you any better? i see most zergs and tosses are focussed on improving their mechanics, zergs more-so but ive seen tosses lately really trying to improve forge first builds with unique styles. while terrans seem to have a loving for cheesing the shit out of everything and feeling bad-ass the T player merely placed early pressure and it worked. it was up to T to make something happen by cutting scvs and OC. if Z had defended it well, as he should have. it would be the end for T. i wasnt talking to select, i was talkign to all the terrans on here going "wow im going to do this on ladder now" and "wow lets cheese harder now that they nerfed it" focus on getting better ffs and stop wasting macro players time on ladder
you do know its possible to do different builds every game right? Cheesing once on ladder does not mean you cheese every game.
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Lovely. Just came back to find the stream working. What did I miss?
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On April 02 2011 12:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Game 2 is Metalopolis! Ret at 12, Select at 6.
Select going double hellions. Ret powering early on 2 bases. ~4:30
A roach or two pop out just in time to deter Select from harrassing Ret's natural. Ret has a few speedlings too. Getting lair and a third hatchery.
Tank out for Select, and he's getting his expo up. Starport up, and he's upping stim.
~8:00
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oh noooooo Blizz will patch the BUNKER .... AGAIN D:
Blizzard fixed a bug where players were winning games with strategies. These bugs tend to pop up alot.
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On April 02 2011 12:06 Inflexion wrote:
Ret neglected sending a scouting drone early to see 2 rax (and it was 11/12 rax too)
if he had, he would have seen that Select skipped his orbital command
and he could've pulled drones to just block off the bunkers from going down and surround
it's totally ret's fault
bunkers got nerfed and bottom of ramp blocking by bunkers was removed
great play by select to take advantage of ret's skipping of scouting drone and punishing it
ret assume select would 1 rax expand or don't bunker rush (select would have been at a HUGE DISADVANTAGE if ret had scouted and defend the bunker rush)
Ret did scout the 2-rax. He sent the drone home instead of going all the way to the command center. Then he plopped down three spine crawlers, albeit in bad positions probably because he thought the bunkers were going at the bottom of the ramp.
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that spread (-_-)
User was warned for this post
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On April 02 2011 12:07 Dawski wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 12:06 IzieBoy wrote:On April 02 2011 12:04 Dawski wrote:
i dont understand terrans want to cheese on ladder, how does doing that build on ladder make you any better? i see most zergs and tosses are focussed on improving their mechanics, zergs more-so but ive seen tosses lately really trying to improve forge first builds with unique styles. while terrans seem to have a loving for cheesing the shit out of everything and feeling bad-ass the T player merely placed early pressure and it worked. it was up to T to make something happen by cutting scvs and OC. if Z had defended it well, as he should have. it would be the end for T. i wasnt talking to select, i was talkign to all the terrans on here going "wow im going to do this on ladder now" and "wow lets cheese harder now that they nerfed it" focus on getting better ffs and stop wasting macro players time on ladder
It wouldn't be much of a game if you couldn't play how you wanted. Half the fun is imitating the players you see. Also, if you're a macro player, part of that is knowing your build can hold against early pressure. If it can't, you need to rethink what you're doing.
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On April 02 2011 12:06 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 12:03 Proko wrote:
Extremely lame cheese. if you think that's amazing you should become a bit by bit fan. Big difference between Select and bit by bit. That build by Select was nicely planned to counter Ret and it did just that.
V. T every Zerg goes hatch first.
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On April 02 2011 12:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 12:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Game 2 is Metalopolis! Ret at 12, Select at 6.
Select going double hellions. Ret powering early on 2 bases. ~4:30 A roach or two pop out just in time to deter Select from harrassing Ret's natural. Ret has a few speedlings too. Getting lair and a third hatchery. Tank out for Select, and he's getting his expo up. Starport up, and he's upping stim. ~8:00
Ret powering so hard, and his third is up. Spire going up, banelings morphing.
Select staying active around the map, but not poking... his upgrades aren't ready yet.
~11:00
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On April 02 2011 12:09 relyt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 12:07 Dawski wrote:On April 02 2011 12:06 IzieBoy wrote:On April 02 2011 12:04 Dawski wrote:
i dont understand terrans want to cheese on ladder, how does doing that build on ladder make you any better? i see most zergs and tosses are focussed on improving their mechanics, zergs more-so but ive seen tosses lately really trying to improve forge first builds with unique styles. while terrans seem to have a loving for cheesing the shit out of everything and feeling bad-ass the T player merely placed early pressure and it worked. it was up to T to make something happen by cutting scvs and OC. if Z had defended it well, as he should have. it would be the end for T. i wasnt talking to select, i was talkign to all the terrans on here going "wow im going to do this on ladder now" and "wow lets cheese harder now that they nerfed it" focus on getting better ffs and stop wasting macro players time on ladder you do know its possible to do different builds every game right? Cheesing once on ladder does not mean you cheese every game.
How does that change the fact that it doesnt improve your game AT ALL, which is basically the point of laddering in starcraft 2. i dont think you understood what i meant
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On April 02 2011 12:07 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 12:05 Mailing wrote:
Why is it always cross?
I understand close positions being stupid, but close air (like 12 vs 3) was not imbalanced... its not always cross, The MLG shattered temple/meta/etc just dont' have close positions you can get close air.
It's always cross positions because of the expressway to your main that has been abused a lot by Terrans.
EDIT: Sorry I thought you were talking about Shakuras. I retract.
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Zerg gets more sympathy than Oliver Twist. I'm all for rooting for the underdog sometimes, but seeing games go unrecommended almost every time Zerg loses makes me sad. I enjoy the beauty of a well played game by one player even if it was a rofl-stomp. Seeing "train wreck of a games" like HuK vs IMMVP recently is not so great though,
On that note, I enjoyed seeing Select do something I had not quite seen before, even though I was rooting for Ret.
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On April 02 2011 12:02 ShadowDrgn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 11:58 Combine wrote:
That's...a lot of bunkers. Don't think I've really seen a macro game from select. Really? Select is pretty notorious for doing nothing but safe, standard builds.
Probably just don't watch enough of him, but he does definitely like the 2rax in TvZ. Wasn't bashing his macro or anything, just saying I haven't seen one.
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On April 02 2011 12:10 Dawski wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 12:09 relyt wrote:On April 02 2011 12:07 Dawski wrote:On April 02 2011 12:06 IzieBoy wrote:On April 02 2011 12:04 Dawski wrote:
i dont understand terrans want to cheese on ladder, how does doing that build on ladder make you any better? i see most zergs and tosses are focussed on improving their mechanics, zergs more-so but ive seen tosses lately really trying to improve forge first builds with unique styles. while terrans seem to have a loving for cheesing the shit out of everything and feeling bad-ass the T player merely placed early pressure and it worked. it was up to T to make something happen by cutting scvs and OC. if Z had defended it well, as he should have. it would be the end for T. i wasnt talking to select, i was talkign to all the terrans on here going "wow im going to do this on ladder now" and "wow lets cheese harder now that they nerfed it" focus on getting better ffs and stop wasting macro players time on ladder you do know its possible to do different builds every game right? Cheesing once on ladder does not mean you cheese every game. How does that change the fact that it doesnt improve your game AT ALL, which is basically the point of laddering in starcraft 2. i dont think you understood what i meant
it does improve your game. you need to practice cheeses every once in a while so you are not so predictable.
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