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On March 30 2011 23:45 KaveX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 23:26 feanor1 wrote:
Are MLB, NFL, and NBA seasons illegitimate? Honestly? US sports actually does tend to be more about entertainment than about 100% fairness compared to European sports. Here in Europe, something like this would be unthinkable, also because, unlike US sports, the clubs are less strongly tied to the league. If Germany and England were put into the same World Cup group instead of a drawing, it would be a huge deal for us Europeans. Thinking about it, it might really be more of a cultural thing. Anyway, like I already said, I don't even consider it that big of a deal in NASL's first season. Might be bad for some players, but it's okay. The thing is just that I would be very upset if IEM or WCG did it, though, and to a slightly smaller extent GSL and MLG. Therefore, I concluded that it should be NASL's objective to also become one of the competitions that have so much meaning behind them that nothing should be rigged for entertainment's sake. It's up to them to either pursue this strategy or to focus on providing super-exciting games and not caring about the rest.
I see the differences between Europe and the US didn't really think of that, but this a regular season. With a regular season it is different than the GSL, MLG, WCG or IEM. If this was for a championship bracket it would be a poor choice, but with this mainly being to determine seeding its not a huge deal. Top 4 have a shot to make the final part, the top players should get through regardless with almost half of each group getting to the playoff part.
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On March 31 2011 00:02 Duravi wrote:
I'm really happy that Artosis was invited to NASL but it seems odd that they would fudge the rules to allow Artosis in even though he is teamless (he left MYM and has not joined another since at least to my knowledge and anything I can find on the internet) but would not give any leeway to the application deadline violators.
Someone said that he remade Micro Media with Skew apparently
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On March 30 2011 23:07 infinity2k9 wrote:
It wasn't an argument it was just a recollection of what Artosis has done in SC2 besides the GSL. MorroW is a terrible comparison, he's already placed highly in tournaments with his new race, and proved he's still one of the best.
For example i can't believe he'd get in over say, Mondragon. I have no doubt who i'd put my money on to produce better results in Mondragon vs Artosis regardless of what we have seen so far in SC2. I know theres a million kids who are like OMG TASTOSIS now SC2 has been out but Mondragon as an actual player is even more of a legend.
OK, at the time of application deadline Mondi's shape was seriously questioned, if he hadn't came out and stomped poor old ZeeRaX, his playing strength is still gonna be questioned.
Artosis got in because he has shown in the past that he can be a great player, now that he isn't sick every other week and have Code A duties going away, he can dedicate enough time into the game to perform.
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EDIT: read the announce late.. delete my post
sorry.
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On March 30 2011 23:45 KaveX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 23:26 feanor1 wrote:
Are MLB, NFL, and NBA seasons illegitimate? Honestly? US sports actually does tend to be more about entertainment than about 100% fairness compared to European sports. Here in Europe, something like this would be unthinkable, also because, unlike US sports, the clubs are less strongly tied to the league. If Germany and England were put into the same World Cup group instead of a drawing, it would be a huge deal for us Europeans. Thinking about it, it might really be more of a cultural thing. Anyway, like I already said, I don't even consider it that big of a deal in NASL's first season. Might be bad for some players, but it's okay. The thing is just that I would be very upset if IEM or WCG did it, though, and to a slightly smaller extent GSL and MLG. Therefore, I concluded that it should be NASL's objective to also become one of the competitions that have so much meaning behind them that nothing should be rigged for entertainment's sake. It's up to them to either pursue this strategy or to focus on providing super-exciting games and not caring about the rest.
? Have you ever witnessed the absurd amount of flopping in EU football? "Fairness" does not come into play at all...
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On March 31 2011 00:13 hmsrenown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 23:07 infinity2k9 wrote:
It wasn't an argument it was just a recollection of what Artosis has done in SC2 besides the GSL. MorroW is a terrible comparison, he's already placed highly in tournaments with his new race, and proved he's still one of the best.
For example i can't believe he'd get in over say, Mondragon. I have no doubt who i'd put my money on to produce better results in Mondragon vs Artosis regardless of what we have seen so far in SC2. I know theres a million kids who are like OMG TASTOSIS now SC2 has been out but Mondragon as an actual player is even more of a legend. OK, at the time of application deadline Mondi's shape was seriously questioned, if he hadn't came out and stomped poor old ZeeRaX, his playing strength is still gonna be questioned. Artosis got in because he has shown in the past that he can be a great player, now that he isn't sick every other week and have Code A duties going away, he can dedicate enough time into the game to perform.
I'm not questioning Mondragon's playing ability or anything (I'm sure hes still a top player), but I feel it's safe to say that ZeeRax was by far the weakest player in TSL and any other player would have dismantled him in the same fashion as Mondragon. While I dont want to take anything away from Mondragon, his win over ZeeRax shouldnt have impressed anyone much. Just saying that this TSL performance so far isnt really proof of much.
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Any idea when this is scheduled to start? I couldnt find this info anywhere
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Haha I love how none of the scrubs with huge fanbase that were spamming NASL were picked. Up yours.
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On March 31 2011 01:12 rO_Or wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 23:45 KaveX wrote:On March 30 2011 23:26 feanor1 wrote:
Are MLB, NFL, and NBA seasons illegitimate? Honestly? US sports actually does tend to be more about entertainment than about 100% fairness compared to European sports. Here in Europe, something like this would be unthinkable, also because, unlike US sports, the clubs are less strongly tied to the league. If Germany and England were put into the same World Cup group instead of a drawing, it would be a huge deal for us Europeans. Thinking about it, it might really be more of a cultural thing. Anyway, like I already said, I don't even consider it that big of a deal in NASL's first season. Might be bad for some players, but it's okay. The thing is just that I would be very upset if IEM or WCG did it, though, and to a slightly smaller extent GSL and MLG. Therefore, I concluded that it should be NASL's objective to also become one of the competitions that have so much meaning behind them that nothing should be rigged for entertainment's sake. It's up to them to either pursue this strategy or to focus on providing super-exciting games and not caring about the rest. ? Have you ever witnessed the absurd amount of flopping in EU football? "Fairness" does not come into play at all...
From what I've seen the leagues themselves seemed to at least try to be more fair in general than U.S. sports, the games not always as you pointed out. But you can also take this as you will because I really don't follow them that much I mostly follow U.S. sports.
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On March 31 2011 01:19 Cathasaigh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 01:12 rO_Or wrote:On March 30 2011 23:45 KaveX wrote:On March 30 2011 23:26 feanor1 wrote:
Are MLB, NFL, and NBA seasons illegitimate? Honestly? US sports actually does tend to be more about entertainment than about 100% fairness compared to European sports. Here in Europe, something like this would be unthinkable, also because, unlike US sports, the clubs are less strongly tied to the league. If Germany and England were put into the same World Cup group instead of a drawing, it would be a huge deal for us Europeans. Thinking about it, it might really be more of a cultural thing. Anyway, like I already said, I don't even consider it that big of a deal in NASL's first season. Might be bad for some players, but it's okay. The thing is just that I would be very upset if IEM or WCG did it, though, and to a slightly smaller extent GSL and MLG. Therefore, I concluded that it should be NASL's objective to also become one of the competitions that have so much meaning behind them that nothing should be rigged for entertainment's sake. It's up to them to either pursue this strategy or to focus on providing super-exciting games and not caring about the rest. ? Have you ever witnessed the absurd amount of flopping in EU football? "Fairness" does not come into play at all... From what I've seen the leagues themselves seemed to at least try to be more fair in general than U.S. sports, the games not always as you pointed out. But you can also take this as you will because I really don't follow them that much I mostly follow U.S. sports.
Yea, I follow US sports mainly as well but many sports in the US impose fines at least for unfair or dishonest play such as flopping in basketball while in football (soccer) its like an accepted part of the game to cheat (flop). Just my opinion ;\
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My god, gonna be watching division 4 closely. oGsMC hwaiting!
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On March 31 2011 01:26 rO_Or wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 01:19 Cathasaigh wrote:On March 31 2011 01:12 rO_Or wrote:On March 30 2011 23:45 KaveX wrote:On March 30 2011 23:26 feanor1 wrote:
Are MLB, NFL, and NBA seasons illegitimate? Honestly? US sports actually does tend to be more about entertainment than about 100% fairness compared to European sports. Here in Europe, something like this would be unthinkable, also because, unlike US sports, the clubs are less strongly tied to the league. If Germany and England were put into the same World Cup group instead of a drawing, it would be a huge deal for us Europeans. Thinking about it, it might really be more of a cultural thing. Anyway, like I already said, I don't even consider it that big of a deal in NASL's first season. Might be bad for some players, but it's okay. The thing is just that I would be very upset if IEM or WCG did it, though, and to a slightly smaller extent GSL and MLG. Therefore, I concluded that it should be NASL's objective to also become one of the competitions that have so much meaning behind them that nothing should be rigged for entertainment's sake. It's up to them to either pursue this strategy or to focus on providing super-exciting games and not caring about the rest. ? Have you ever witnessed the absurd amount of flopping in EU football? "Fairness" does not come into play at all... From what I've seen the leagues themselves seemed to at least try to be more fair in general than U.S. sports, the games not always as you pointed out. But you can also take this as you will because I really don't follow them that much I mostly follow U.S. sports. Yea, I follow US sports mainly as well but many sports in the US impose fines at least for unfair or dishonest play such as flopping in basketball while in football (soccer) its like an accepted part of the game to cheat (flop). Just my opinion ;\ Im not sure why you are trolling about football but basketball is a non contact sport football is full contact and its not always easy to tell how badly someone has been kicked. There are cheating players in all sports the only thing that differs is how they cheat. His point was about the fairness of league structures and how players are recruited which is noticeably different in European sports even in our version of hand-egg which doesn't have any flopping in I can assure you.
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Lots of good choices, but also some very bad choices  .
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On March 31 2011 01:26 rO_Or wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 01:19 Cathasaigh wrote:On March 31 2011 01:12 rO_Or wrote:On March 30 2011 23:45 KaveX wrote:On March 30 2011 23:26 feanor1 wrote:
Are MLB, NFL, and NBA seasons illegitimate? Honestly? US sports actually does tend to be more about entertainment than about 100% fairness compared to European sports. Here in Europe, something like this would be unthinkable, also because, unlike US sports, the clubs are less strongly tied to the league. If Germany and England were put into the same World Cup group instead of a drawing, it would be a huge deal for us Europeans. Thinking about it, it might really be more of a cultural thing. Anyway, like I already said, I don't even consider it that big of a deal in NASL's first season. Might be bad for some players, but it's okay. The thing is just that I would be very upset if IEM or WCG did it, though, and to a slightly smaller extent GSL and MLG. Therefore, I concluded that it should be NASL's objective to also become one of the competitions that have so much meaning behind them that nothing should be rigged for entertainment's sake. It's up to them to either pursue this strategy or to focus on providing super-exciting games and not caring about the rest. ? Have you ever witnessed the absurd amount of flopping in EU football? "Fairness" does not come into play at all... From what I've seen the leagues themselves seemed to at least try to be more fair in general than U.S. sports, the games not always as you pointed out. But you can also take this as you will because I really don't follow them that much I mostly follow U.S. sports. Yea, I follow US sports mainly as well but many sports in the US impose fines at least for unfair or dishonest play such as flopping in basketball while in football (soccer) its like an accepted part of the game to cheat (flop). Just my opinion ;\
The difference is that American leagues are more about the show. Teams buy into the league and can not be relegated, no matter how bad they play.
European football in comparison is serious business. It is all about the results, not about the show. If teams play bad they get relegated. They can go all the way down many leagues until the club becomes meaningless. On the other hand top league placements mean clubs can get into european cups for the next season.
Because of that its secondary if someone plays fair or spectacular or whatever, you just play to win. So in a way the bigger cheating is related to the bigger competetiveness of the leagues.
The fans are much more serious than American fans as well. Defeats of their clubs are felt like personal defeats. They can even become violent when their teams play very bad. But the jubilation after victory is much bigger as well.
For many people football is much more than a game.
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On March 31 2011 01:12 rO_Or wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 23:45 KaveX wrote:On March 30 2011 23:26 feanor1 wrote:
Are MLB, NFL, and NBA seasons illegitimate? Honestly? US sports actually does tend to be more about entertainment than about 100% fairness compared to European sports. Here in Europe, something like this would be unthinkable, also because, unlike US sports, the clubs are less strongly tied to the league. If Germany and England were put into the same World Cup group instead of a drawing, it would be a huge deal for us Europeans. Thinking about it, it might really be more of a cultural thing. Anyway, like I already said, I don't even consider it that big of a deal in NASL's first season. Might be bad for some players, but it's okay. The thing is just that I would be very upset if IEM or WCG did it, though, and to a slightly smaller extent GSL and MLG. Therefore, I concluded that it should be NASL's objective to also become one of the competitions that have so much meaning behind them that nothing should be rigged for entertainment's sake. It's up to them to either pursue this strategy or to focus on providing super-exciting games and not caring about the rest. ? Have you ever witnessed the absurd amount of flopping in EU football? "Fairness" does not come into play at all...
Do you have any other completely irrelevant comparisons that completely miss the point you want to share?
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Why does everyone feel obligated that their needs must be fill 100%. Look at the good side of things.
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Grubby vs. Moon = My day is made. Can't wait for this.
Over all i'm happy with the picks that they made and can understand the reasons as to why some were not picked. Overall, I'm pretty stoked for this tournament and can't wait for it to start. Also, all this controversy kind of makes things a little bit more interesting.
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Football is laughably one of the most corrupt and poorly officiated sports in the world. I don't know how people can watch it.
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On March 31 2011 02:49 Defacer wrote:
Football is laughably one of the most corrupt and poorly officiated sports in the world. I don't know how people can watch it.
agreed.
but back on topic, i wish that the groups were randomized while keeping even races, having them set up seems kind of weird, its like yeah there will be some nice matches with back story but shouldn't the story write itself? it kind of reminds me of the first HDH where players were saying how the set up bracket challenges the integrity of the tournament, yet we see that here. Hopefully it all turns out for the best.
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I'm not sure if this has been gone through yet (as there are 202 pages) but can anyone
tell me(or link me) about how the tier system works for the NASL?
Or has this info not known yet since it hasn't really launched yet?
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